You want to see the KING of all Shill Bidders.

Wabbit2313

Check out this seller: Shill on eBay here:

ctf_error_coins

You are probably right but in my 10,000 eBay transactions I have never figured why it matters. I pick the price, not the seller.

OPA

very obvious...inexpensive way to have a "reserve" on your auction

silverpop

wow

ebaybuyer

the shill only works if there is another bidder who seemingly wants it just as bad ... otherwise the shill is the only bidder

LindeDad

Until eBay gets rid of their reserve fee this will go on.



Works better than setting a reasonable start price and getting no bids.

nwcoast

Looking through the feedback is VERY revealing.

Weather11am

ErrorOnCoins-- you pick the max price not the price. Big difference imo.

TwoSides2aCoin

Some things are illegal and immoral. Some things are unlawful but not considered unethical. Some things are lawful and legal and unethical and immoral.
On that note, shilling is a violation of law which can be construed as unlawful, illegal, unethical, and wrong. To each their own, in their own way.

Any example is too complex for my simple mind, really.

jwitten

There IS a chance this bidder just bid on everything from one seller without being a shill... but I doubt it. Still not 100% guarantee though

ctf_error_coins

Originally posted by: Weather11am
ErrorOnCoins-- you pick the max price not the price. Big difference imo.

The bid hits my max price about 5 % of the time.

Yes I do pick the price, and 95% of the time is is waaaaaaaay lower than my max.

ctf_error_coins

The other thing I do not get is all the TIME some of you spend on looking for shills when it make zero difference. Man I wish I had all that extra time you guys waste.

mr1931S

I don't think ebay cares too much about shill bidding.They get paid,shill or none.

It's fun
when you see
the shill has won.

shorecoll

Even better than shilling, I like the country auctions that disavow responsibility for selling counterfeit coins and currency. How can you disavow something like that? Is that in the statutes against counterfeiting?

Bochiman

Always hear the "I pick my price, so a shill bidder bidding me up shouldn't bother me" bit.



I also always here "well, there were at least 2 bidders that wanted it a maxprice-$x (the under bidder's last bid value)"

So, people think it is worth at least that amount to a couple of people.



However, if someone thinks it is worth $xxx amount, and bids that, for whatever reason, and wins, they may be way off and it may not be even close to that value for the majority.



The shilling has artificially inflated the value and screwed the winning bidder. If that winning bidder needed to sell, for some reason, and even had the same eyes watching it, they may not get anything.



So, immoral, illegal, whatever, shill bidding is not a good thing and shouldn't be accepted so simply by some.

ctf_error_coins

99% of the time my bid is below wholesale, so If a shill wants to bid me up to below wholesale, that is fantastic for me.

99% of what I bid on, I would guess is not shilled so I usually get it for a lot less.

ricko

Shill bidding is a nasty practice... one of the reasons I stopped utilizing ebay. Cheers, RickO

LanceNewmanOCC

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we have seen far kingier "potential" shilling.



123 bids is not even the tip of the iceberg.



some have literally thousands of bids, perhaps more.



i recall trying to calculate how so many bids could be placed in such a short period via only 1 person. crazy stuff.



multiple people on one account and/or an auto-bidding prog?

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Wabbit2313

Originally posted by: ErrorsOnCoins
The other thing I do not get is all the TIME some of you spend on looking for shills when it make zero difference. Man I wish I had all that extra time you guys waste.

I spend zero time tracking these jokers down. I always look though before I enter a snipe, and if I smell a shill, I don't even bother with a bid. I agree with Bochiman, even if I won it for less than my max, I was screwed out of some of my money with a shill in there.

I was going to bid on one of this dudes coins and found what I found.

ACop

Originally posted by: ErrorsOnCoins
99% of the time my bid is below wholesale, so If a shill wants to bid me up to below wholesale, that is fantastic for me.

99% of what I bid on, I would guess is not shilled so I usually get it for a lot less.

Well then of course it doesn't affect you if it doesn't HAPPEN to you.

For those to who it does happen, absolutely it matters.
If you bid $100 and there is only real interest from others at 40$, then you get a bargain compared to the market. But a shill bid can bid it up to $90 and shill you out of $50 versus true market value. Just because someone sets the max price, doesn't mean its the RIGHT price.

Clear as day that shilling hurts the buyer.

LanceNewmanOCC

Originally posted by: ACop



For those to who it does happen, absolutely it matters.

If you bid $100 and there is only real interest from others at 40$, then you get a bargain compared to the market. But a shill bid can bid it up to $90 and shill you out of $50 versus true market value. Just because someone sets the max price, doesn't mean its the RIGHT price.

now my conspiracy gene is kicking in.



i wonder if shillers start an item low to garner interest & knowing full well it wont go for that amount, then once they get a bite, they get the out the gaff.

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TopographicOceans

I got an email from a shill bidder back when bidders could communicate and before sniping.

We were going back and forth bidding on a 1972 DDO cent.
I reached my max and the shill out bid me so I stopped.
Then I get a message from the shill:

I'm done bidding now so if you want it bid one more time and I won't bid anymore.

TwoSides2aCoin

I prefer you guys snipe


That's right

V