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  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,301 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @scubafuel said:
    What about panexpoguy's coin above? Looks pretty close.

    Yes!

    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

    Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,301 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If you don't want to keep referring back to this thread, the thing to remember is that the mintmark is as high and as left as it can go without being obviously misplaced.

    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

    Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
  • yosclimberyosclimber Posts: 4,823 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 3, 2018 3:37PM


    A photo comparison with PCGS CoinFacts images, showing what Andy is looking for.
    Send your L1 examples to @MrEureka for a very pleasing offer!

    P.S. Grid or quadrant diagram adapted from Gerry Fortin's
    http://www.seateddimevarieties.com/Mintmark_Positions.htm
    First I "straightened" the photo by making the big horizontal lines level.
    I've been doing similar stuff with half dime date and mint mark positions for awhile now.
    https://web.stanford.edu/~clint/hdag/index.htm

  • panexpoguypanexpoguy Posts: 1,239 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have two of them. The one pictured in my earlier post and this which I found in an ICG holder and sent to PCGS. Came back cleaned. I see not a single hairline anywhere on it and the strike is amazing.

  • panexpoguypanexpoguy Posts: 1,239 ✭✭✭✭✭

  • ashelandasheland Posts: 23,309 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Great design on those!

  • KkathylKkathyl Posts: 3,762 ✭✭✭✭✭

    scary to see so many fakes

    Best place to buy !
    Bronze Associate member

  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,301 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Kkathyl said:
    scary to see so many fakes

    Which ones are fake?

    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

    Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
  • KkathylKkathyl Posts: 3,762 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 4, 2018 1:16PM

    The ones you see on the internet

    Best place to buy !
    Bronze Associate member

  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,301 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @panexpoguy said:

    Check out those toes!

    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

    Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
  • BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 12,211 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I’ve been looking for these since this original thread was posted

  • ldhairldhair Posts: 7,262 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm a bit off topic but this is a well known counterfeit.

    Larry

  • BarberianBarberian Posts: 3,696 ✭✭✭✭✭

    There are no "L1" in Coin Facts photos. I did see both overdates and a variety of mm positions, though.

    3 rim nicks away from Good
  • CaptainBluntCaptainBlunt Posts: 197 ✭✭✭

    On April 30, 1915 , the Mint Director told the P Mint Superintendent to make new sets of dies for the PPIE dollar gold piece and fifty cent silver piece with the San Francisco mint mark and forward them at the earliest possible moment. He also wanted the San Francisco mint mark placed on the fifty dollar and two and a half dollar dies.

    The presumption being that those ignorant of the special act governing this coinage would be that the coins were struck at Philadelphia

    As others have already stated, dies previously received and in transit without the mint mark will be returned etc.

    The PPIE S Mint half dollars were minted in May and June of 1915. The May mintage appears to have been 12,000 pieces.

    Just a sampling of the Archival material revealed correspondence from the SF Mint Superintendent urgently requesting 5 additional pairs of dies on June 2nd for the half dollars, and acknowledging the receipt of four pairs of dies in mid June and receiving one additional pair in late June.

    At the year’s end , 10 obverse and 10 reverse dies for the PPIE half dollars were cancelled in SF before being returned to Philadelphia

    The total mintage was 60,000 pieces
    59,966
    Annual assay coins 30
    Special assay coins 4

    Generally, the special assay coins were supposed to be taken indiscriminately from the first batch of coins of each denomination coined in that particular month and sent back to Philly

    On Dec 6, 1915, a notice or letter was sent out to the Board of Directors of the Panama Pacific International Expo regarding the sale of souvenir coins

    The Executive Committee had ordered that each member of the Board of Directors and the California State Commission would be allowed to purchase one set of souvenir coins at face value

    So for just $104 they were to receive
    $50 slug Oct
    $50 slug Round
    2.50 gold piece
    1.00 gold piece
    .50 cent silver coin

    On Dec 7, 1915 William H Crocker of the Crocker National Bank in SF took them up on their offer and sent in a check for $104

    In 1916 Zerbe wanted the Government to have a ceremony and publicize the melting of the leftover PPIE coins. He thought it would have a good effect on the marketing of the coins the Expo still had on hand

    The SF Mint Superintendent was very much opposed to the idea.

    I don’t think that the Superintendent and Zerbe had any special sort of relationship

    Who knows?

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