Fingerprints
ironmanl63
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There was a post about a fingerprint on a coin which got me thinking. I have an Indian cent that has a fingerprint which I find to be attractive. Does any one else have a coin with a print they find attractive? Also what are your thoughts about the print on this coin? Good or bad.
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Lance.
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The best thing I can say about a fingerprint on a coin is, "It doesn't bother me too much." I own one or two of those, but only on hard to find coins.
sometimes really bad
sometimes not so bad
Indian Head Cent as in the sometimes attractive column. The lighter more contrasted the photo the more the fingerprint shows up.
Jim
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I think it is way under graded probably a net grade for the print.
I guess you are saying that the technical grade (luster, surfaces, strike) of the coin is likely higher than the overall grade, which is likely true. Eye appeal, however, is a VERY important part of the overall grade, and in this case I think the majority of professional graders would view this massive obverse fingerprint as a significant distraction.
Maybe it's semantics, but I think the overall grade is probably fair.
Net grading, in my mind, is different..... something done to account for negatives not otherwise addressed by the usual grading categories of strike, luster, surface preservation, and eye appeal. To me, this would be a coin with a tiny patch of cleaning, a small well-hidden scratch, carbon spots, a small area of corrosion, a hint of rub, or a minute planchet defect. These issues would usually produce a "no-grade" but there is lower limit at which some can be accommodated by a grade adjustment.
Thanks for all the opinions! Before I saw this coin I would not even look at a coin with a print. This coin was different and I instantly liked it! I would much rather it did not have the print but I took it the way it was. The coin grades MS 62 BN by NGC and did not cross to PCGS. I think it is way under graded probably a net grade for the print. Does PCGS consider a coin with a print altered or do you think something else kept if from crossing? The photo is true to the coins look.
PCGS does not bodybag for fingerprints. Shoot, I have an early branch mint Lincoln they graded 65RD and it has an enormous, prominent print. I was so sure PCGS would downgrade it that I let the ebay seller off easy and sent it in for a guarantee review instead of returning it.
DW wrote to me and said he passed it around the grading room and the consensus was it was good enough for 65RD. Damn. I still have that coin.
Back to topic: PCGS often adjusts grade to account for the likely market value. So either PCGS didn't feel it was worth 62 money or there were suspicions about the color (or some other matter).
The only way to know for sure is to try a cross at any grade. If you get a DNC then you know PCGS won't straight-grade it. If it grades without problem you'll get their opinion on the market grade.
FWIW, the coin is too colorful to take a chance with a crack-out. Don't.
Lance.
His answer/question always came back around to IT has a finger print therefore its circulated.
Circulated coins don't grade MS67.
Always wondered how much of a dollar knock a graded MS67 with a print would be.
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I do not like fingerprints on coins.... ever. Cheers, RickO
This....
But what would be interesting is having access to the national Automated Fingerprint Identification System and run the prints to see who they belong to. Naturally it can't be done without good reason but that sure would be fun.
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I do not like fingerprints on coins.... ever. Cheers, RickO
This....
But what would be interesting is having access to the national Automated Fingerprint Identification System and run the prints to see who they belong to. Naturally it can't be done without good reason but that sure would be fun.
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