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1921 Peace Dollar - Glossy Luster, Strong Strike & Light Cameo Contrast

StuartStuart Posts: 9,793 ✭✭✭✭✭
1921 Peace Dollar - Glossy Luster, Strong Strike & Light Cameo Contrast



Judging by the Glossy Mint Luster, Strong Strike and Light Cameo Contrast this coin was more than likely one of the Early Die State coins struck on Dec 28, 1921 (1st mintage day) using the higher (150 tons per sq in) pressure. (Reference the following excerpt from Roger Burdette's - A Guide Book of Peace Dollars).



"Manufacturing standard silver dollars was hard on equipment and dies. The steel of the time could not tolerate much more than 150 tons per square inch of pressure and even that was far above the practical limit of about 120 tons.



At available pressure, the relief of central obverse and central reverse were too great to allow full metal flow into the design. The centers of the portrait and eagle are the most common places of defective detail, but problems extended to lettering, rays and other details.



When the first 1921 Peace Dollars were put into production, the engraver had pressure set well above normal in hopes of getting more detail. The designer was present on that day. But, as soon as striking began, so did the problems. The pressure was so high that steel dies failed catastrophically - they "exploded" rather than just cracking or collapsing. At the end of the day the engraver halted production, and after some tests the next day, resumed with reduced striking pressure - hence the poorly detailed coins common for 1921.



Only the first day's production were minimally acceptable to the designer or engraver. The coins with very good central detail AND fully formed letters and rays are the best that were made. Some of the pieces described as "proofs" don't have any more detail than good circulation coins and were probably not made on a medal press. - as are all proof coins of that era."




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Stuart

Collect 18th & 19th Century US Type Coins, Silver Dollars, $20 Gold Double Eagles and World Crowns & Talers with High Eye Appeal

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Comments

  • VanHalenVanHalen Posts: 4,326 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I've heard if Miss Liberty's cheek looks like she has mumps then you've got a fully struck up Peace obverse.
  • FullStrikeFullStrike Posts: 4,353 ✭✭✭
    I'm totally obsessed with 1921 Peace Dollars. There is an MS66+ on a certain Dealers website right now for $12,500.00 that I'd really love to

    get. If it had a CAC bean I swear I'd pull the trigger on it. But ... with no bean. ..... maybe.... no , a pass for me.



  • RelaxnRelaxn Posts: 1,076 ✭✭✭✭✭
    What an impressive coin. So beautifully designed and when struck to this degree bordering a masterpiece.
    Thank you for sharing. I enjoy your 1921's.

    J
  • OuthaulOuthaul Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thank you for entering me in this fantastic giveaway! image

    Cheers

    Bob
  • luckybucksluckybucks Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭
    In the left field on the reverse, are those die polish marks ?



    Very nice Peace Dollar.
  • mirabelamirabela Posts: 5,094 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That one is a real humdinger -- the contrast is very unusual.

    Fullstrike, I don't know if it's the one you mean, but DaveW had an NGC 66+ recently that I've examined in hand, and it is one impressive coin.
    mirabela
  • koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That's an exceptional coin!
  • StuartStuart Posts: 9,793 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: luckybucks

    In the left field on the reverse, are those die polish marks? Very nice Peace Dollar.




    LuckyBucks, Thanks for your above quoted post. In reply to your question, Yes those raised relief lines that you referred to in the left reverse field are die polish lines.



    There are additional prominent die polish lines in the far right reverse field below the 2nd "A" in America, and also in the upper right reverse field between the letters "S" & "O" of the words "States Of".



    Those die polish lines are diagnostic for this specific VAM variety.

    Stuart

    Collect 18th & 19th Century US Type Coins, Silver Dollars, $20 Gold Double Eagles and World Crowns & Talers with High Eye Appeal

    "Luck is what happens when Preparation meets Opportunity"
  • BaleyBaley Posts: 22,663 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Another nice 1921 Peace dollar Stuart. How many does this make?

    Liberty: Parent of Science & Industry

  • StuartStuart Posts: 9,793 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: Relaxn

    What an impressive coin. So beautifully designed and when struck to this degree bordering a masterpiece. Thank you for sharing. I enjoy your 1921's. J




    Relaxn, Thanks for your above quoted post about my new 1921 Peace Dollar. I appreciate everyone's comments and observations about this coin.



    It's nice to see so many fellow forum members describing the Strike, Luster and Cameo contrast, and not fixate solely on numeric grade.



    I'm still anxiously waiting for the VAM Attributions... image


    Stuart

    Collect 18th & 19th Century US Type Coins, Silver Dollars, $20 Gold Double Eagles and World Crowns & Talers with High Eye Appeal

    "Luck is what happens when Preparation meets Opportunity"
  • bronzematbronzemat Posts: 2,653 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Beautiful coin!
  • StuartStuart Posts: 9,793 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Here's the PCGS Certification Verification Photo, which does a better job of depicting the strong obverse and reverse strike details of the subject coin.



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    Stuart

    Collect 18th & 19th Century US Type Coins, Silver Dollars, $20 Gold Double Eagles and World Crowns & Talers with High Eye Appeal

    "Luck is what happens when Preparation meets Opportunity"
  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That is a truly beautiful Peace Dollar...thanks for showing us...Cheers, RickO
  • dizzleccdizzlecc Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭
    Going by recent posts on the forum, you would think most 1921 peace dollars were well struck. In reality, most are not well struck but the ones that are struck well get posted. You would like to see more dimension in the cheek to reach the very well struck stage (Similar to Van Halen's statement above). This one is well struck but difficult to determine when it was struck. It is a vam, which may impact the striking characteristics. Overall nice coin, not sure it makes your top ten though.
  • StuartStuart Posts: 9,793 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I like to Evaluate 1921 Peace Dollars based on a combination of Strike, Luster and Preservation State.



    However my personal Evaluation standards focus more on Strike and Luster, as compared with the TPGS Grading standards which IMO tend to more heavily weigh Preservation State at the expense of the other two criteria.



    Strike on 1921 Peace Dollars can vary on each specific coin in different device areas of the coin such as in Miss Liberty's Central Hair, her Tiara, Motto, Legend, Date, Rays and Eagle's Breast & Tail Feathers.

    Stuart

    Collect 18th & 19th Century US Type Coins, Silver Dollars, $20 Gold Double Eagles and World Crowns & Talers with High Eye Appeal

    "Luck is what happens when Preparation meets Opportunity"
  • epcjimi1epcjimi1 Posts: 3,489 ✭✭✭
    I'll go 1921-P Peace VAM-1F, mashed top of Ls in Dollar

    image
  • epcjimi1epcjimi1 Posts: 3,489 ✭✭✭
    I've been informed by those that know what the proper VAM type is, that this is not the proper coin represented via image, that I've got it all wrong.

    I don't care.

    So what VAM is it?

    It's like a bunch of little old ladies. JFC.

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