New DDR 1913-D Type 1 Buffalo Nickel "Official"

jtlee321

A thread was created back in December regarding a 1913-D Type 1 Buffalo Nickel with a possible DDR that had not been listed.

It's official. I just received confirmation from James Wiles about a 1913-D Type 1 Buffalo Nickel I sent him for examination. It is now listed as DDR-001, 1-R-IV+VIII, stage A, EMDS.

I'm so excited as this is the first variety I have ever discovered!! Now I need to send it off to a TPG to get graded and marked as a discovery piece.

Here are the photos of the coin to refresh some of your memories.

LanceNewmanOCC

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gratz



other thread.

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LanceNewmanOCC

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dammmmmm, took some work to find the link. grrrr



type/date page



LLIINNKK



also first for the year/mm/type. gratz again!

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stash

Originally posted by: jtlee321
A thread was created back in December regarding a 1913-D Type 1 Buffalo Nickel with a possible DDR that had not been listed.

It's official. I just received confirmation from James Wiles about a 1913-D Type 1 Buffalo Nickel I sent him for examination. It is now listed as DDR-001, 1-R-IV+VIII, stage A, EMDS.

I'm so excited as this is the first variety I have ever discovered!! Now I need to send it off to a TPG to get graded and marked as a discovery piece.

Here are the photos of the coin to refresh some of your memories.

Much better closeups this time .....

jtlee321

Thanks guys. Any suggestion as to the best TPG service to send this to to get Discovery coin recognition? I have a letter from James Wiles showing this as a new listing. I know ANACS does it, but will NGC or PCGS?

grip

Best bet would be to call them.

unclebob

Way too cool... Congratulations

crazyhounddog

Congratulations! Made a believer outta me!

CaptHenway

koynekwest

Congrats!! Due to this coin's great similarity to the DDR "P" Mint I wonder if it might be a working hub variety, affecting several working dies. When you have coins from the same year and from two or more different Mints that's often the case.

jtlee321

Originally posted by: koynekwest
Congrats!! Due to this coin's great similarity to the DDR "P" Mint I wonder if it might be a working hub variety, affecting several working dies. When you have coins from the same year and from two or more different Mints that's often the case.

That's exactly what I was thinking. There is possibly an S mint variety out there as well. I'm keeping my eye's open.

koynekwest

I'll point this out to Dr Wiles and get his take on it.

jtlee321

Originally posted by: koynekwest
I'll point this out to Dr Wiles and get his take on it.

I just received it back from Dr. Wiles today. He is the one who attributed it for me and has listed it in the CONECA files.

Boosibri

Great stuff, congrats

DCW

I believe the only TPG who will designate "discovery" pieces is ANACS. They are also one of the few who will do varieties not listed in the Cherrypicker Guide to Die Varieties.

ricko

Congratulations... now I must set aside some time to check my Buff herd... Cheers, RickO

jtlee321

Make sure to check all of your Type 1's RickO. There is a theory that this is the result of a doubled working hub. It would be very interesting to find an S version of this.

LanceNewmanOCC

Originally posted by: ricko

Congratulations... now I must set aside some time to check my Buff herd... Cheers, RickO

you will need good eyes and a sharp loupe.



buff ddo/ddr, especially the ddr are notoriously difficult due to die stages.



hope you find some.

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BigDowgie

Great snag!

luckybucks

Outstanding coin. The doubling is clear as day.

jtlee321

Thanks guys. When I originally bought it, I was looking for an example of a 1913 Type 1 Buffalo regardless of MM. The dealer I bought this from had a P and a D in about the same grade, both raw. I liked both. So after examining both under a loupe, I noticed the doubling on the reverse of the Denver and to me, did not look like MD. So I bought the Denver coin and brought it home for further study. It had been sitting in my collection for close to 5 months or so before sending it out to Dr. Wiles for confirmation. I'm glad I did and he turned it around pretty fast for me as well.

koynekwest

Here is my query and Dr Wiles' reply-



James-



The newly listed 1913-D Var 1 Buff was just posted on the PCGS website. It looks very similar to the "P" Mint already listed. Could this be a working hub d die?





JAMES WILES

5:26 PM (22 hours ago)



to me

Ron:

It is possible there is a Doubled working hub, but with only 2 dies listed, it is difficult to say. With known working hub doubled dies, I list 10-12 dies at a minimum.

Thanks,

James Wiles

jesbroken

Sent mine to Dr. Wiles today. Hopefully it will be likewise.

Thanks for sharing.

Jim

jtlee321

Originally posted by: jesbroken
Sent mine to Dr. Wiles today. Hopefully it will be likewise.
Thanks for sharing.
Jim

You have an example of this same Denver variety Jesbroken? I would love to see pics of your example.

jtlee321

Originally posted by: jesbroken
Sent mine to Dr. Wiles today. Hopefully it will be likewise.
Thanks for sharing.
Jim

Have you heard back on your nickel Jim?

Also, Coinworld has done an article on this new discovery. They contacted Mr. John Wexler who in turn contacted me requesting to examine my coin for inclusion on his site. He was very nice to work with and he confirmed the new variety.

Coinworld Article

Wexler's Die Varieties

mannie gray

Great job! You must be very happy.

It's a lot of work to get a new variety published.

Again, my heartiest congratulations.

jtlee321

Originally posted by: mannie gray
Great job! You must be very happy.
It's a lot of work to get a new variety published.
Again, my heartiest congratulations.

Thank you very much mannie gray. I am very happy about it. It was a happy accident.

oih82w8

I would send copies of the documentation that Dr. Wiles sent back with the coin to whoever you send it in to...ANACS could label it as a DISOVERY, PCGS and NGC more than likely won't.

halfhunter

A big congrats Ron. Making a new discovery is always exciting!

Looks like there are still discoveries to be made, even 100+ years later.



I never could to get NGC or PCGS to acknowledge 08-W rev of 07 ASE with a discovery label.



HH

jtlee321

Originally posted by: halfhunter
A big congrats Ron. Making a new discovery is always exciting!
Looks like there are still discoveries to be made, even 100+ years later.

I never could to get NGC or PCGS to acknowledge 08-W rev of 07 ASE with a discovery label.

HH

Thanks halfhunter. It was my discovery, and I have contacted NGC, as I have direct submission privileges through them because of my ANA membership. They told me that they could annotate "First Reported" on the holder with documentation from Dr. Wiles. I also have a letter from Mr. Wexler to support it.

koynekwest

It's always a nice feeling when you get credit as the first to report a new variety. I would suspect there is more than a few of this type (Class IV with slight doubling on the interior details) to be found with close scrutiny.