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VanHalenVanHalen Posts: 3,992 ✭✭✭✭✭
APMEX has a $3.99 over spot offer on eBay for their 1oz 999 fine gold bars. Comments about liquidity and quality solicited. Thank you.



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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,137 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Sounds like a really good deal or a typo. Check out the RMC web site. Large company with offices in California and Florida. All the major bullion dealers sell their products. I have several of their silver bars and they make great bullion products.

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  • VanHalenVanHalen Posts: 3,992 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: PerryHall

    Sounds like a really good deal or a typo. Check out the RMC web site. Large company with offices in California and Florida. All the major bullion dealers sell their products. I have several of their silver bars and they make great bullion products.




    Thank you. With gold up $100+ in the last 6 weeks I don't believe it's a typo. Interesting they note 63% have sold with the total sold at 384 implying ~600 pieces available at this price. Nice marketing.



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  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,823 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I personally would pay the extra premium for a gold eagle or gold buffalo, knowing that I would more than likely get my premium back when I sold. One must always consider resell of bullion items and I just don't see the demand or the market for gold bars as good as the market for gold coins.

    If you're a bar guy, then yes, great price.

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  • MilesWaitsMilesWaits Posts: 5,356 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Big agreement with Derry.

    The only way I will consider a gold bar is if I get it under spot as they aren't attractive to me.

    Kinda like a Aztec or Pacer or Cube or minivan. Gets you from point C to D, but oh the shame!
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  • OPAOPA Posts: 17,121 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I always check the dealers buy back price for the bar that they are selling in determining if I want to purchase. APMEX as a whole, will give you spot or slightly above spot for most name brand bars and so will Provident.

    APMEX Republic metals gold buy back
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  • mariner67mariner67 Posts: 2,746 ✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: OPA
    I always check the dealers buy back price for the bar that they are selling in determining if I want to purchase. APMEX as a whole, will give you spot or slightly above spot for most name brand bars and so will Provident.

    APMEX Republic metals gold buy back


    The link I believe shows them at about $32 over spot.
    I strongly agree with derryB on this....too many fake gold bars out there and it is much much easier to resell Buffalos and ASEs when the time comes. That, for me, overcomes the "gold is gold" rational.
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  • OPAOPA Posts: 17,121 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The link I believe shows them at about $32 over spot.

    The link is not the eBay link, but their "store" on line link.. Their buy back for that bar is about $20 under spot. Agree, if you must purchase PM's, buy from well known Nation wide bullion dealers. All gold coins along with bars and rounds, have been and will continue to be counterfeited...that also includes the gold, silver a and plat. American Eagles.
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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I stick to gold and silver coins... I do have a few art bars, but they were purchased for personal

    interest....Coins always seem to be more liquid. Cheers, RickO
  • OPAOPA Posts: 17,121 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Coins always seem to be more liquid.


    That is a song & dance act pushed by bullion coin sellers. In reality, bars will have a smaller premium over spot, but are just as "liquid". I've sold lots of PM (gold, silver & platinum) related coins and bars over the last 30 years, w/o ever having a "disposal" issue.
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  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,823 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Note that APMEX is paying under spot for the RCM bar and over spot for the AGE and Gold Buff.

    Gold coins are more liquid simply because there are more buyers. All gold is liquid, but how liquid depends on what the fabricator turned it into.

    If the bottom fell out of gold prices and the market became flooded, which products do you think would sell first? On the other hand if prices skyrocket and everyone wants in what products do you think a newbie will be advised to purchase? There's your levels of liquidity.

    "Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey

  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,144 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Bought and sold a number of Republic gold bars while working in the store. Never any problem with them.



    As noted above there are different spreads for different products. The retail price and the buyback price on a good name bar is less than that on a maple leaf, which is less than that on an American Eagle. The spot price will rise and fall the same on all of them.
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  • OPAOPA Posts: 17,121 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If the bottom fell out of gold prices and the market became flooded, which products do you think would sell first?


    That's easy & the last 5 years have proven it....THE LEAST EXPENSIVE ONE...
    "Bongo drive 1984 Lincoln that looks like old coin dug from ground."
  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,823 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: OPA
    If the bottom fell out of gold prices and the market became flooded, which products do you think would sell first?


    That's easy & the last 5 years have proven it....THE LEAST EXPENSIVE ONE...

    And the record sales of American Eagles?

    "Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey

  • OPAOPA Posts: 17,121 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: derryb
    Originally posted by: OPA
    If the bottom fell out of gold prices and the market became flooded, which products do you think would sell first?


    That's easy & the last 5 years have proven it....THE LEAST EXPENSIVE ONE...

    And the record sales of American Eagles?



    Compared to?
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  • VanHalenVanHalen Posts: 3,992 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: Hydrant

    Liquidity. Perhaps coins have more liquidity.




    That's the question. A raw $50 AGE at melt +3% or a 1oz bar in an assay card at melt -2%.



    Thanks for all the insight.







  • CuKevinCuKevin Posts: 1,723 ✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: derryb
    Note that APMEX is paying under spot for the RCM bar and over spot for the AGE and Gold Buff.


    But are the spreads equal percentages? That is all that really matters.
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  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,823 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: CuKevin
    Originally posted by: derryb
    Note that APMEX is paying under spot for the RCM bar and over spot for the AGE and Gold Buff.


    But are the spreads equal percentages? That is all that really matters.

    What matters is that they want AGEs more than they want RCM bars. This is because their buyers want AGEs more than they want RCM bars. Which would you rather be holding when it comes time to sell?

    "Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey

  • OPAOPA Posts: 17,121 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: derryb
    Originally posted by: CuKevin
    Originally posted by: derryb
    Note that APMEX is paying under spot for the RCM bar and over spot for the AGE and Gold Buff.


    But are the spreads equal percentages? That is all that really matters.

    What matters is that they want AGEs more than they want RCM bars. This is because their buyers want AGEs more than they want RCM bars. Which would you rather be holding when it comes time to sell?



    Both will give you an equal returns on your investment...Makes no difference.

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  • CuKevinCuKevin Posts: 1,723 ✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: OPA
    Originally posted by: derryb
    Originally posted by: CuKevin
    Originally posted by: derryb
    Note that APMEX is paying under spot for the RCM bar and over spot for the AGE and Gold Buff.


    But are the spreads equal percentages? That is all that really matters.

    What matters is that they want AGEs more than they want RCM bars. This is because their buyers want AGEs more than they want RCM bars. Which would you rather be holding when it comes time to sell?



    Both will give you an equal returns on your investment...Makes no difference.



    OPA understands!
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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,137 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: derryb

    Originally posted by: CuKevin

    Originally posted by: derryb

    Note that APMEX is paying under spot for the RCM bar and over spot for the AGE and Gold Buff.





    But are the spreads equal percentages? That is all that really matters.


    What matters is that they want AGEs more than they want RCM bars. This is because their buyers want AGEs more than they want RCM bars. Which would you rather be holding when it comes time to sell?







    Let's not forget that while they both contain a full once of gold, the bars are 999.9 pure gold while the AGE's are not pure gold. This is important to many gold buyers.

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  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,823 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It's simply a matter of preference. I prefer the one that is easier to sell.

    "Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey

  • ashelandasheland Posts: 23,190 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Both will give you an equal returns on your investment...Makes no difference.

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  • CuKevinCuKevin Posts: 1,723 ✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: derryb
    It's simply a matter of preference. I prefer the one that is easier to sell.


    Some people would argue that is the one with the lower premiums...

    Premiums do not only reflect supply and demand.

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  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,823 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: CuKevin
    Originally posted by: derryb
    It's simply a matter of preference. I prefer the one that is easier to sell.


    Some people would argue that is the one with the lower premiums...

    Premiums do not only reflect supply and demand.

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    What else do they reflect?

    "Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey

  • CuKevinCuKevin Posts: 1,723 ✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: derryb
    Originally posted by: CuKevin
    Originally posted by: derryb
    It's simply a matter of preference. I prefer the one that is easier to sell.


    Some people would argue that is the one with the lower premiums...

    Premiums do not only reflect supply and demand.

    image

    What else do they reflect?


    Cost of manufacture, perceived quality, etc.
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  • MilesWaitsMilesWaits Posts: 5,356 ✭✭✭✭✭
    With the current thread on the RCM fakes, it further cements my decision to avoid the more obvious areas of trouble in PM purchases.
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  • ShadyDaveShadyDave Posts: 2,199 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I agree with Miles, I prefer coins. I just bought a $2.5 eagle at spot at last weekends CT coin show. It was polished, but its easier form me to verify the authenticity than a generic bar that is sealed in plastic...


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