Finally picked up an 1815/2 CBH!

astrorat

It's been years ... way too many years ... and the price just kept rising. Now I finally picked up an 1815/2 in my kind of grade.

TopographicOceans

VF 25

Ahrensdad

VF20. Congrats. That is a tough coin.

TPRC

Pleasing look. congrats.

guitarwes

25 seems right.



Nice one. Great eye appeal.

jughead1893

35

Boosibri

Could be me but looks like a layer of pvc to my eyes

BustHalfBrian

Came close to buying that one but thought I saw some green. How's it in person?

johnny9434

nice score, congrats.

astrorat

Originally posted by: BustHalfBrian
Came close to buying that one but thought I saw some green. How's it in person?

The obverse image (from seller) is not accurate. The color of the obverse is more like the reverse. I don't see any PVC residue, but I have not looked under a loupe yet. It's in PCGS plastic, so I don't anticipate any PVC residue.

astrorat

Originally posted by: BustHalfBrian
Came close to buying that one but thought I saw some green. How's it in person?

On what part of the coin did you think you saw some green? I'll be sure and closely examine that area. I appreciate your eye.

RichieURich

Very nice coin, especially for an 1815/2, which usually doesn't come with surfaces as nice as on this coin.

Grade guess is VF-25.

Congratulations!

jcping

VF-20

BustCuds

In with a VF20...the color seems alittle off, could be the sellers' pics.



Tough coin, Congrats!

LanceNewmanOCC

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looks like scans.



hmm how about vf30? unusual wear pattern. still like it.

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Barndog

Originally posted by: Realone

Congrads on a wholesome coin, now can someone please point out where the "2" might be?

thanks

astrorat

Originally posted by: LanceNewmanOCC
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looks like scans.

hmm how about vf30? unusual wear pattern. still like it.
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I am not following what you mean by an unusual wear pattern. Can you help me understand what is unusual about the wear? It looks normal to me.

kaz

I'll guess vf30; nice looking example!

stman

Glad you got what you wanted. Congratulations.

lkeigwin

Congrats, astrorat! Looks like a nice, wholesome choice.



PCGS has removed PVC from several slabbed coins, at my request (but not for free). So don't assume all is good just because of the slab. The crap doesn't appear right away.



I suspect the areas around the stars and the legend, but I see traces around the larger devices too. It looks easily corrected with an acetone dip.

Lance.

mirabela

VF30. Congrats, very tough coin.

TennesseeDave

I totally agree with what Lance said and guess 25.

JRocco

Congrats astrorat on a tough coin. I too have been waiting for the price on these to come down to no avail.

I was offered an NGC 58 for 12K about a decade ago and now wish I had thought about that one a little longer.



Your coin shows beautiful wear but the images do show that dull greenish cast on the obverse, especially around the stars. Scope it when you can to be sure and as Lance has said, acetone should clear that right up if it is PVC.



Nice coin

astrorat

Originally posted by: Realone

Originally posted by: Barndog

Originally posted by: Realone
Congrads on a wholesome coin, now can someone please point out where the "2" might be?
thanks

Oh shoot, it will take a forensic expert to see that one........thanks Barndog!

There is only one die marriage for 1815, so all of the coins are 1815/2. You are correct, however, it is a very subtle overdate relative to 1814/3 and 1817/3.

Walkerfan

VF 20.



Congrats!

ElmerFusterpuck

Looks like a solid 25 to me. It's the only date I lack too! Congrats!

asheland

astrorat

The coin does appear to have a small amount of residue on the obverse (perhaps PVC) around Liberty and some of the stars. I will keep the coin (as I really like the surfaces, the even wear, and patina (other than the minor residue) and submit it to PCGS for its restoration service. I am sure I can remove the residue with issue, but prefer to rely on PCGS for a coin of this value. Thanks to Lance for his counsel on this coin! One more closer to 450 die marriages ... just 15 to go!

The coin is in a current generation PCGS holder graded VF-35.

rhedden

I like it a lot. A little greenish halo around the devices, if it is even there, is usually not a sign of PVC. On Bust halves, the PVC residue usually turns up on the highest points of the coin, which would be the same places that wear spots are visible. I usually look at the clasp and the hair curls around the ear for signs of PVC. There are actually a lot of circ. Bust halves out there with PVC residue, so it's worth looking closely at raw coins offered for sale. I would have guessed PCGS VF25 or NGC VF30 on this one had the OP not just posted it.

grip

I'm not disputing those two little specks are not part of a 2.
But I just don't see it

astrorat

The 1815/2 is currently with our host awaiting their magic!

lkeigwin

Good luck, astrorat! Let's see the "after" pix.



I know no one is doubting the overdate...it's not really debatable...but maybe this animation helps to visualize it.

Lance.

kaz

I just realized I have been staring at that overlay for about 5 minutes. Thanks Lance!

grip

Mesmerizing .Thanks Lance

coin22lover

I agree with the grade. The left wing is weakly struck, not worn.

Walkerfan

Looks VF 20 or 25 to me.



Glad you finally snagged a nice one!

AnkurJ

Very original! I say VF25.

astrorat

Here is the update ... thus far ...

Four days ago I received the coin back from PCGS. The coin was returned in the same holder. So, the coin appears to have been administratively processed and perhaps examined, but not examined outside the holder.

What's disappointing is that there was no explanation as to what was done with the coin. Also, there was no invoice for any service.

I immediately sent an email to customer service and the restoration email address asking for help understanding about what happened, but I received no response. I waited a couple of days and sent a follow up email ... no response yet either.

Anybody else had a similar experience with PCGS restoration?

lkeigwin

Hmm. Two reasons why PCGS would return a restoration candidate without treating it: 1) They didn't want to (disagreed on the need, felt it was improper, or didn't think they could help its condition), and 2) They screwed up.



In my experience, when PCGS felt they couldn't help the coin a note to that effect was included.



I would use the phone instead of email. Sometimes I've had to wait a week or two for an email reply.

Lance.

Goldbully

Originally posted by: lkeigwin

Good luck, astrorat! Let's see the "after" pix.



I know no one is doubting the overdate...it's not really debatable...but maybe this animation helps to visualize it.

Lance.

Love it!

astrorat

Here is an update ...

I received an invoice for the coin. The item description was "Regrade - Restoration (Not Restorable). A service fee of $10 was charged (for the evaluation, I assume).

Any thoughts on what would generate a "not restorable" for a coin slabbed in a current PCGS holder? Perhaps the "green" was not PVC?

Hopefully I will get a reply from PCGS or be able to speak with someone at PCGS about what transpired.

sparky64

My first assumption would be that they did not think it was PVC.

I also think that some communication is owed.

Maybe there will be a note of explanation.

astrorat

Well ... I never did hear back from PCGS regarding why the coin was not selected for restoration service other than a standard, "because the grader probably didn't think it would benefit the coin." Despite asking several times for a clear answer, I was not able to break through for a direct answer.

So ... I decided to send the coin to CAC (along with 19 of his little buddies). The coin should be through the review process soon and we'll see what JA thinks of the 1815/2 half dollar.

rhedden

It's a really nice 1815/2. Greenish oxidation is not always PVC damage. I agree with PCGS's decision not to attempt restoration. I think it will get a "Green" bean- LOL.

mannie gray

VF25

thebeav

Beautiful coin and a great animation Lance.......
I only owned one '15 in my life. It was a fine, but holed. It did have some nice, colorful, original album toning. I ended up consigning it to another dealer who didn't have any luck moving it. But when he returned it, the album toning color was gone. I probably didn't memo him anything after that.

Bob1951

Dang! looks just like mine!

astrorat

I received an email from CAC ... and the 1815/2 PCGS VF-35 was awarded a green bean!

So ... it looks like greenish toning was just that ... toning and not PVC.

crazyhounddog

Congratulations on such a beautiful and rare piece. Super nice indeed????