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General Nathaniel Greene Comitia Americana

These were produced by the US Mint in the 1970's. While they are not as nice as the originals, they are pretty nice and a lot less expensive.



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General Nathaniel Greene Comitia Americana

General Nathaniel Greene is honored on the ninth in the US. Mint’s ten-piece series-of pewter reproductions of America’s First Medals, voted by the Continental Congress to commemorate the decisive military actions of the Revolutionary War. This medal was awarded to General Greene for the Battle of Eutaw Springs, South Carolina, in 1781. It was engraved by Augustin Dupre, later Engraver General of Coins at the French Mint, and was originally struck in gold.



The obverse features a bust of General Greene, facing left, and a Latin inscription: “The American Congress to Nathaniel Greene, a distinguished general.”

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On the reverse, a winged Victory holds a crown of laurel in her right hand and a palm branch in her left, while one foot rests on a trophy of arms and flags.

Above is an inscription in Latin: “The safety of the southern regions.” And below: “The enemy vanquished at Eutaw on the 8th of September, 1781.”

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Battle of Eutaw Springs Ends the Southern Campaign



Eutaw Springs was the last important engagement in the southern theater. It was the last of a series of battles which were tactical losses for the Americans but which, in the long run, enabled them to win the southern campaign. When General Greene took command of the southern forces in late 1780, the army was so small that he had to avoid direct confrontation with the British. He started a program of partisan warfare harassing the enemy, breaking up communications and intercepting supplies. Immediately after his victory at the Cowpens in January 1781, General Daniel Morgan rejoined Greene and the American Army retreated northward. The British General Cornwallis, determined that the “impudent” Greene should not escape, stripped his own army of everything not essential and marched swiftly in pursuit. Greene stayed just ahead of him, encouraging guerillas to harass the British rear and disrupt supply lines. He barely won the race for Virginia, crossing the swollen Dan River a few hours ahead of his pursuers.



Cornwallis withdrew to rebuild his depleted army while Greene awaited reinforcements before turning to advance on the British. At Guilford Courthouse, on March 15, the armies collided. The British won this battle, but Cornwallis was so badly shattered that he moved his army to Wilmington, on the North Carolina coast, where the British Navy could support and supply it. Greene returned to South Carolina to engage in a series of operations culminating at Eutaw Springs in the last pitched battle of the war. The tireless marches Greene planned and directed so exhausted the enemy that they withdrew from’the interior of South Carolina and remained bottled up at Charleston and at Savannah until the end of the war.

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  • CoinosaurusCoinosaurus Posts: 9,632 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This is the rare mule variety that has Henry Lee on the obverse instead of Nathaniel Greene. The Nathaniel Greene obverse die cracked so they used the Hnery Lee instead.
  • kazkaz Posts: 9,210 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Greene's tactics sound a lot like Stonewall Jackson's.
  • dpooledpoole Posts: 5,940 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: Coinosaurus

    This is the rare mule variety that has Henry Lee on the obverse instead of Nathaniel Greene. The Nathaniel Greene obverse die cracked so they used the Henry Lee instead.




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    Neat series, though. I got several of them back in the 70s, and they're still around somewhere.

  • CoinZipCoinZip Posts: 3,253 ✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: Coinosaurus

    This is the rare mule variety that has Henry Lee on the obverse instead of Nathaniel Greene. The Nathaniel Greene obverse die cracked so they used the Hnery Lee instead.




    oops.... I fixed it.

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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,281 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The Nathaniel Green medal is one of the hardest pieces in the Comitia Americana series to find as an "old medal," even from the latter part of the 19th century. The original die pair was lost soon after the few known original metals were issued, and the U.S. Mint did not get around to making a new set of dies until the 1870s or '80s. Therefore finding a Nathaniel Greene medal with the old time chocolate copper finish is tough. I'll go into this more tomorrow when I can post pictures.
    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,281 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Augustin Dupre produced the first pair of dies for the first Nathaniel Greene in 1787. Greene's gold medal, the silver medal in the Massachusetts Historical Society set and 12 bronze medals were sent to The United States that year. Unfortunately Greene died in 1786, and the gold medal was awarded to his widow. R. W. Julian claims in his book that the dies were given to Greene's widow at that time, but John W. Adams and Anne Bentley write in their book that the Greene dies ended up at the U.S. Mint. It is claimed that a total of 23 bronze medals were struck which implies that 11 were made at the U.S. Mint, but the records are murky at best. Much of the information seems to come from hearsay.

    Adams and Bentley infer that an impression was made from the original die pair at the mint around 1840. That impression showed that the dies were rusted, sinking and generally in poor condition.

    The U.S. Mint at Philadelphia did not make another set of dies for the Greene medal until 1886. The records show that only 40 pieces were made from that die pair before the U.S. Mint switched over the matte finish medals that now the standard issue for the mint. Those 40 pieces represent the only source for the Greene medals that most collectors can hope to obtain in the "old," "chocolate brown," bronzed format. Here is an example of one of those medals.

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    I caution collectors not to get burned with the purchase of a more modern medal that may have been darkened to make it look old. The "good" medals have a Proof-Like mint surface that is reflective under the bronzing. Here is an example of a medal that has been fooled with to make it look old.

    imageimage
    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,281 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: Coinosaurus
    This is the rare mule variety that has Henry Lee on the obverse instead of Nathaniel Greene. The Nathaniel Greene obverse die cracked so they used the Hnery Lee instead.


    Ahh, no.

    The Henry Lee medal is far different. Joseph Wright cut the dies for the Henry Lee medal here in The United States. The Lee medal was overlooked in the ordering process in Paris, and embarrassed American officials had to scramble to make a medal for Lee. Both the oberse and reverse dies broke, and it is not known if Lee received a medal or not.

    Here is an example of the Lee medal. It was made in the 1880s from the original Wright medal obverse die, which is broken, and a new reverse. This piece is quite scarce. The mintage was very low, probably no more than 40 or so pieces.

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    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
  • kazkaz Posts: 9,210 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I sort of had the feeling that Coinosaurus' post was tongue in cheek.
  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,281 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The 1975-6 Comitia Americana pewter medal set (from which the Greene medal, which started this thread) was one of the best things the mint issued during the Bicentennial. The best part of it was the book by Vladimir and Elvira Clain-Stefanelli which contained a lot of useful information about the series. The last I knew the set is still available from dealers, when you can find if, for $30 or so. That is about half of the issue price.
    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
  • MedalCollectorMedalCollector Posts: 1,993 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I caution collectors not to get burned with the purchase of a more modern medal that may have been darkened to make it look old. The "good" medals have a Proof-Like mint surface that is reflective under the bronzing. Here is an example of a medal that has been fooled with to make it look old.

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    Actually, I don't believe that this piece was messed with at all. I have plenty examples with this type of surface finish, likely from around the 1930s, from what I can tell. There are some other signs that point to this piece being from around that era as well.

    Many people don't realize that there are many different types of surface finishes within the transition from the "chocolate brown" bronzed copper to the sand-blasted and acid etched (they actually do this!) finishes today. Many times, the same dies that were used to strike the bronzed copper examples were also used to strike early sand-blasted ones.



  • BaleyBaley Posts: 22,663 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: BillJones

    The 1975-6 Comitia Americana pewter medal set (from which the Greene medal, which started this thread) was one of the best things the mint issued during the Bicentennial. The best part of it was the book by Vladimir and Elvira Clain-Stefanelli which contained a lot of useful information about the series. The last I knew the set is still available from dealers, when you can find if, for $30 or so. That is about half of the issue price.




    I have one of these sets, was and still am surprised that they are so inexpensive.



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  • WeissWeiss Posts: 9,942 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have a friend, a history professor, who named one son Nathaniel Greene and one Daniel Morgan. They never seemed to appreciate their names. I think they're awesome.
    We are like children who look at print and see a serpent in the last letter but one, and a sword in the last.
    --Severian the Lame
  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    BillJones...thanks for the history and photographs... great thread ... your contributions

    are greatly appreciated. Cheers, RickO

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