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BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 12,330 ✭✭✭✭✭
I purchased a very rare dark side proof the other day and was wondering if any of the photography experts had any advice on imaging proofs to bring out the contrast and mirrors of the coin.



Reimagine the proof, much better now.

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  • RichieURichRichieURich Posts: 8,523 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Send it to PCGS for a TrueView photo, you will get a great photo!

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  • BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 12,330 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: RichieURich

    Send it to PCGS for a TrueView photo, you will get a great photo!




    That is the last resort but probably the most efficient and effective option. Living in Europe it is a bit of a pain to send to Newport Beach and I would like to improve my skills. Paris doesn't do Trueviews to my knowledge thou the benefit of being able to mix US and world coins is definitely a benefit.
  • rmpsrpmsrmpsrpms Posts: 1,928 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Do you want to show shiny mirrors, or black mirrors?
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  • BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 12,330 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Shiny I think
  • oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 12,470 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If you wanted black mirrors I would use a dark (black) drop cloth behind the camera.



    This is actually one of my better images using a black back drop cloth, it's not perfect, but...;



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    Shiny mirrors I always wind up getting a reflection of my camera.



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  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,167 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Shiny mirrors are more difficult than dark mirrors. Without seeing the coin, I can tell you what I do in general with these, not knowing the relief of the coin, degree of toning, or curvature of the field.



    Cover one eye (your camera probably only has one lens) and look at the coin with lighting similar in number and quality to what you'll use with your camera, for example, one or two overhead lights if you plan on using a couple lamps, or a diffusely lit room if you want to try a diffuse light tent. Move around and tip the coin until it looks like you want it, then stop and look at where the coin is in relation to the lights. Try and duplicate this under the camera. Say, "Hmmm..." to yourself a few times as you try to get it to work, then take the picture when you do.



    If the coin is heavy enough, tilt it in the slab by banging the lower edge of the face of the slab against a surface, but not hard enough to break the slab. This way, you can have the lights backed away from being directly overhead and mitigate some of the glare problem that rears its ugly head when trying to get bright mirrors.



  • BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 12,330 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: valente151

    Slabbed or raw?




    Raw Irish half crown VIP presentation piece. Mintage of about 5.
  • MonsterCoinzMonsterCoinz Posts: 1,518 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Very slightly angle it into light if your light source is fixed. I change my shutter speed to ~ 1/80 with a low ISO (200), and f6.3 I believe.



    Here are a couple examples with those settings. I'm an amateur and still learning.



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  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    As mach1ne mentioned tilt the coin into the light and tilt your camera head on your copy stand the same.



    With both tilted the same degree there's no focusing softness on the coin when shot at an angle.



    Tilt wise it's just takes something as thick as a credit card.
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  • leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,475 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Those are pretty good.

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  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,167 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: Boosibri

    Raw Irish half crown VIP presentation piece. Mintage of about 5.


    Ahhhh.... raw proof. Much easier. Straight-on diffuse light plus an accent to pick up some specular highlights. Take a piece of paper and cut or tear a hole in it so you can put it on the lens like a big reflector. Aim one light up at the camera, which will get you a diffuse reflection from the paper to the coin. Since proofs are very contrasty, you want to knock down the contrast with diffusion. Take the other light and aim it at the coin from farther away than normal and at a lower angle than normal, and position it so you get some of the specular bits you want.



  • oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 12,470 ✭✭✭✭✭
    mach1ne, that quarter looks like a petri dish.
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  • rheddenrhedden Posts: 6,630 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: oih82w8
    mach1ne, that quarter looks like a petri dish.


    The photos of his toned proofs are excellent, even if the quarter has a Listeria culture growing on it! Toned proofs are the one thing I have the hardest time imaging.

  • ModCrewmanModCrewman Posts: 4,040 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I use 2 lights at roughly 10 and 2 o'clock and have them as high as possible given your set-up. Position the coin to get just the right position until the fields turn black. This is what I get from my $200 point and shoot camera.



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  • BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 12,330 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thanks all. I will apply the recommendations and post the coin image (even though it is a darksider) here in a few days once it arrives.
  • TopographicOceansTopographicOceans Posts: 6,535 ✭✭✭✭
    Since the mirrors reflect what is in front of it, take a black piece of cardboard and cut out a hole for the lens and tape it to the front of your camera.

    And take the picture outdoors where there is plenty of light all around.

  • SamByrdSamByrd Posts: 3,131 ✭✭✭✭
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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,596 ✭✭✭✭✭
    When I shooting modern Proof coins I usually go for this look. I just move the light source around until I get it.


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    Here is a picture of the only old gold Proof I have. When see this coin live, it looks better. It is a cameo and the fields don't have any frost.


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  • BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 12,330 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Updated pics in first post
  • 3keepSECRETif2rDEAD3keepSECRETif2rDEAD Posts: 4,285 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Cool coin and Great photo's...Congrats on both!
  • FlatwoodsFlatwoods Posts: 4,245 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Those are nice. It's nice to get direction but there is no substitute for trial and error and experience.

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