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How important to an item is the cardboard box it came in?

My dad kept the various collections in the US mailing containers they came in. I'm talking about proof sets, uncirculated coin sets, special collections (like 1995 Olympic Atlanta Centennial Games), all of varying years. Now that I am in charge of them I find that some of the individual sets are stuck together and that separating them would either destroy or severely damage that cardboard. The coins themselves are still in their plastic containers and in excellent condition. I read somewhere that certificate of authenticity is important and I think I can recover most if not all of those. Thanks for the help.
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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,617 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The me the exterior tan cardboard mailing boxes are worthless, even in mint condition. The interior thinner boxes that hold the coins or the velvet boxes that ultimately hold the gold and silver coins, are worthwhile. Those who collect these sets want the interior boxes, the velvet boxes, the coins and the Cerificate of Authenticity (a.k.a. COA). If any of those things are missing, it will lower the value of the sets IF the coins are not certified (a.k.a. "raw")


    If the coins are in certification holders like those offered by our hosts, none of these items matter in almost all cases.


    I've tried to put this in laymen's terms since you don't seem to be a collector.

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  • Thanks BillJones. I have the Merit Badge and put all the blue books together that I could when I was in grade school, but fell off after that.
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  • Any ideas on how to separate them?
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  • leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,475 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Been there done that. Stunk up everything in the safe and mold was growing. They say, cool and dry is the proper storage......had to make some changes. If the cardboard and paper are stuck together, they're likely damaged. I'll Bing it and see what comes up.


    Leo

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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,563 ✭✭✭✭✭
    To my cat, the cardboard box is everything!
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  • determineddetermined Posts: 771 ✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: CaptHenway

    To my cat, the cardboard box is everything!




    That is funny!

    I collect history in the form of coins.
  • derrybderryb Posts: 37,496 ✭✭✭✭✭
    sounds like the OP is referring to the actual mint presentation boxes and not the shipping boxes. Nice to include presentation boxes in a sale but not necessary if your buyer is planning on having them graded. If selling on ebay include a picture and description note of the damaged box just to assure a potential buyer that the coin actually came from the mint and not from China. Do not remove the coins from the plastic capsules for any reason - this is important to potential buyers. Even when sending in for grading, leave the coins in the capsules and let the professionals at PCGS remove them.
  • That's brilliant.
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  • 19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,492 ✭✭✭✭
    I'm completely confused over exactly "what" is stuck together as I never had a proof set stick to another proof set unless there was something sticking them together.



    Shipping boxes from the US Mint? I've never had these stick together either and even if they did, they're just shipping boxes with no real value.



    Can you post some pictures?
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  • Like this. The contents of the box are pristine, it's just the box that is hozed.



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    This one is the least of the problems.
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  • sparky64sparky64 Posts: 7,041 ✭✭✭✭✭
    image Collectorbug.



    The damage shown in your pic doesn't look like a deal breaker to me. But perhaps some are stuck worse.



    If it were me, I'd get them separated as soon as I could.



    I picture carefully using an exacto knife to slice the connection when gently pulling them apart.

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    While many collectors prefer the boxes, the COA and plastic containers are most important.

    I know of no way to separate them without damage.... just use as much caution as possible.

    Welcome aboard......Cheers, RickO
  • BackroadJunkieBackroadJunkie Posts: 3,745 ✭✭✭✭✭
    What do the coins look like? If the packaging was stuck together due to a moisture problem, the coins may have been affected as well. The packaging might be the least of your concerns.
  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,617 ✭✭✭✭✭
    "Perfect boxes" combined with "perfect coins" are the type of Proof sets that bring 100% Gray Sheet bid in dealer to dealer transactions for the modern Proof sets that unfortunately sell for very low prices. The damage to the boxes on those 1969 Proof sets does lower the value, but not by much since there was not much value there from the beginning.


    Those sets will sell, but prices will be low. They would bring more in my local club's monthly auction, not enough to make it worthwhile.

    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,482 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: Collectorburg
    Any ideas on how to separate them?



    Steam. Then you might be accused of attempting to doctor them so be cautious. image

    Anyway, show me the coin, brothers and sisters.
  • panexpoguypanexpoguy Posts: 1,239 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: TwoSides2aCoin
    Originally posted by: Collectorburg
    Any ideas on how to separate them?



    Steam. Then you might be accused of attempting to doctor them so be cautious. image

    Anyway, show me the coin, brothers and sisters.


    You could also use an eye dropper to apply small amounts of water to the space between the boxes where they are stuck. Even put a tiny drop of liquid dish soap in the water to help it penetrate the card stock. Wait and separate. If the boxes are the type that collapse flat, you can press them with a warm (not hot) teflon coated iron. Likely too much work for the potential gain though.
  • BackroadJunkieBackroadJunkie Posts: 3,745 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: panexpoguy
    Originally posted by: TwoSides2aCoin
    Originally posted by: Collectorburg
    Any ideas on how to separate them?



    Steam. Then you might be accused of attempting to doctor them so be cautious. image

    Anyway, show me the coin, brothers and sisters.


    You could also use an eye dropper to apply small amounts of water to the space between the boxes where they are stuck. Even put a tiny drop of liquid dish soap in the water to help it penetrate the card stock. Wait and separate. If the boxes are the type that collapse flat, you can press them with a warm (not hot) teflon coated iron. Likely too much work for the potential gain though.




    Doesn't matter what you do, the color will come off those old glossy boxed proof sets very easily, and stick to the other box. (Even the black ones.)




    The mint changed to a textured surface at some point that doesn't have this problem, but those 60's and 70's proof set boxes are extraordinarily easy to ding up.
  • Perfect coins? Well, sure they are perfect, how could they not be?



    I opened two of the boxes to check.



    AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNNNDDDDDDDDDDDDD crap!





    The penny is corroded

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    The nickel looks a little messed up and there is some discoloration on the quarter

    image



    The dime on this one is spotty and the quarter has some discoloration.

    image



    So there is some damage to these coins. I think I will need to open each box to see how bad it really is

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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,617 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The "penny" is not corroded; it's toned.


    But the set is not very nice, and is not worth much more than the face value plus the silver value in the half dollar, which is a 40% silver coin.


    This what can happen with improper storage. Having a safe in your attic or your garage is not a good thing because of the temperature changes and humidity. I've learned that it's not even a good idea to store coins in a closet in your house that is on an outside wall, even if you keep the temperature constant in the house. You even have to careful about where the bank safe is for your safe deposit box.


    Coins fare best when they are taken out and enjoyed once and a while.

    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
  • 19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,492 ✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: Collectorburg

    Like this. The contents of the box are pristine, it's just the box that is hozed.



    image



    This one is the least of the problems.




    Looks like you've figured out how to post photo's!



    As for the proof sets, Ouch! Something has gotten between them and most "proof set" collectors aren't going to like this type of damage.



    However, for 1969, I don't think it's very important since even the best looking cardboard isn't going to add value to a set which can typically be had for $5.00 or less.



    However, if there are frosty "cameo" coins in the set, a serious collector won't give a hoot about the box!



    These sets, 1968-1970 are relatively cheap in the market place as they are readily available and in some cases, can even be purchased in original sealed US Mint shipping boxes for the right premium. Individual raw sets are close to a dime a dozen for average looking coins.



    PS - Proof Sets for the years 1968 through 1983 did not come with "Certificate's of Authenticity" I think that started in 1984. Maybe someone has a 1984 laying around to validate.



    Judging from the photo's you've posted, your sets look pretty much trashed. The Kennedy "might" survive a dip in E-Z-Est but generally speaking, your set has a value of $2.09 for the Kennedy plus .41 cents.



    What I would do is crack the case open by carefully twisting it in my hands and then carefully use a knife of some type to separate the two halves. The black background is a plastic insert that the coins a pushed into from the top side.



    I'd pop the Kennedy out, give it a quick dip and store it in a 2x2. The other coins, I'd look for doubled dies (which is a totally other specialized area of collecting) and probably just spend them as pocket change.



    But that's just me. The last 1969 Proof Set I sold on eBay went for $3.25 plus $2.25 S/H. Had I not charged $2.25 S/H, the set would have sold for $1.00 net.



    Of course, this is not to say that you don't have some valuable coins but only a professional numismatist could make that determination and most won't even bother with Modern Proof Sets.



    Best of Luck.



    I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.



    The name is LEE!

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