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Next Time You Buy an "Unopened" Proof Set...
UMCane
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Scammers can buy just the envelopes at (Guess Who?) Ebay
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They may have already been opened, cherry picked and a lower grade set put in a new sealed envelope. As you can see, this Ebay vendor has a range of years you can buy.
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They may have already been opened, cherry picked and a lower grade set put in a new sealed envelope. As you can see, this Ebay vendor has a range of years you can buy.
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"Just because you were born on 3rd base doesn't mean you hit a triple"
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"Just because you were born on 3rd base doesn't mean you hit a triple"
until someone opened the box and saw that it was fully of washers.
That ended the 'unopened' craze... for a while
BHNC #203
The boxes were, but never were the envelopes.
- Bob -
"Central Valley" Roosevelts
MPL's - Lincolns of Color
The proof sets we received from the Mint in the 1960's and later were never sealed..
The boxes were, but never were the envelopes.
Proof sets were sealed in the early 60s, I have bought sealed boxes and when opened the proof sets inside were sealed. Also 65 SMS sets were NOT sealed when opened from a sealed box.
and replaced multiple times.... I have seen some envelopes that were open on one side - not the top....Cheers, RickO
Says a lot about the seller.
That's my LCS
I'm 100% sure they are not selling these envelopes for the wrong reasons....
If you are never going to look at the coins, why buy them?
The proof sets we received from the Mint in the 1960's and later were never sealed..
The boxes were, but never were the envelopes.
Proof sets were sealed in the early 60s, I have bought sealed boxes and when opened the proof sets inside were sealed. Also 65 SMS sets were NOT sealed when opened from a sealed box.
None of mine were. This included 1960 through 1964. We bought 2 per year directly from the mint. The flap on the envelopes were loose.........and still are.
- Bob -
"Central Valley" Roosevelts
MPL's - Lincolns of Color
However,
Back in the 50's 60's 70's and 80's people ordered multiple sets from the mint and did not always open all of them. In fact most of the sets did not get opened until the it was given away.
Sometimes sets come in to shops in large groups that have never been opened.
It's to bad about the scammers out there.
But don't kid yourself there are lots of truely in opened sets out there
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Just put any old coins in and re-glue.
bob
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Most unopened sets are scams .. with new envelopes showing no aging, even though sets are 50+ years old
Though a well intentioned post by the OP it is also uninformed, this has been commonly known for many years.
Unopened Proof sets are about the dumbest buy around. I've said this since the 1960s. Back then there were stories that crooks were steaming open the envelopes, taking the coins and replacing them with sheets of zinc.
If you are never going to look at the coins, why buy them?
Because that's where you find the undiscovered DCAM proofs
No C'mon you are pulling my lariat.
The premium frequently sought is ridiculous. I prefer to KNOW what
I am buying and if I have to pay accordingly, so be it.
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If you are never going to look at the coins, why buy them?"
I concur with this 100%. Couldn't have said it better.
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"Just because you were born on 3rd base doesn't mean you hit a triple"
I bet there is a market for the envelopes where one can makeup an "unopened" proof set lol.
For me, I think of unopened proof sets like they are lottery tickets. You face long odds of finding something nice.
A few observations on sets I have purchased. First, I bought a number of 1965 SMS sets in the original unopened box of 10 sets. All were sealed inside the sealed box. Purchased in North Carolina so maybe they sealed themselves in the more humid climate. Second, I bought a large number of unopened sets from a "one time dealer" who set up at a show in Michigan. He and his father set aside something like 25 sets each year from 1957 to 1964. They sat in a closet until he needed cash for another purpose. All were sealed, but they had been in a closet for over 40 years. Maybe he sealed them himself, but the envelopes were crisp and not mishandled.
Anyway, I search these sets for both cameos and also for varieties. Over the years I have scored much more on the varieties than the cameos.
So here is my case in point. In the date run of sets I bought from the dealer (above) in Michigan, I found the following coin.
So I guess I hit the lottery....PCGS DDR PR66
And the rest of the story... I went back to the show and bought the rest of the 1960-64 sets. Guess what? I found more DDR's....
“In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock." - Thomas Jefferson
My digital cameo album 1950-64 Cameos - take a look!
Bill Jones:
While some buyers do intend to "open" such sets and enjoy seeing the previously "sealed" coins, perhaps like opening a wrapped present, I agree with Mr. Jones, for the most part. IMO, it is not a good idea to acquire such Proof sets from any seller.
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On eBay, an unopened proof set just means that it is currently unopened.
And on Ebay, an unsearched roll just means the seller forgot what common date coins he put in it.
I disagree, I think the dumbest was the GSA sealed boxes that used to sell for north of $400. leave it sealed or open it to expose the 1883-CC worth about $175.
Is there anyone on here that sales legit unopened sets?
As several earlier posters have said, the envelopes were not sealed by the mint.
I have looked through likely 100,000 proof sets, perhaps more, many in original boxes from the mint (unopened) and I have never seen one that was sealed that did not have water or moisture damage.
Never.
The "unopened", "sealed" stuff is just a big scam.
Anyone could simply seal the envelope themselves, or replace the envelope and "seal" it.
@KeithMS70 Estate sales that are ran by the non-coin collecting family member(s).
I'd never buy an unopened proof set. I collect the coins therein, not the sealed envelope.
I bought this old box and these sets from an estate sale probably 5-6 years ago. I have not opened them, maybe one of these days, for now, I like the mystery.
Click on this link to see my ebay listings.
The sealed envelope scam has been going on for years... Cheers, RickO