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has anyone ever faked doubled dies?

OnedollarnohollarOnedollarnohollar Posts: 2,035 ✭✭✭✭
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wondering if a common coin can be made into a valuable looking doubled die. I know there are chinese fakes etc. but doubled dies? has anyone ever been busted doing this?

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    RampageRampage Posts: 9,677 ✭✭✭✭✭
    There are plenty of counterfeit DDO 1955 and others. I'd be careful if I were you.
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    LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    raw fake ddo and slabbed fake errors/varieties.



    some have been posted on these boards.

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    RPM2RPM2 Posts: 91 ✭✭✭
    Also '72 DDO-1 has been counterfeited.
    Rob
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    gonzergonzer Posts: 3,085 ✭✭✭✭✭
    At one point in the early 70's the Secret Service was very interested in the origin of the '69-S Lincoln.
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    BillJonesBillJones Posts: 35,864 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Here is a counterfeit 1955 Doubled Die Obverse cent from my "rogues gallery" of fakes. This one was offered on eBay. It's a pretty bad copy, at least for those who have more than a passing knowledge of the real thing.


    Don't be fooled. Better ones are out there. Do yourself a favor and buy an NGC or PCGS certified example. You'll be glad you did.


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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That one is quite obvious BillJones.... but, as you say, better ones are out there...

    Counterfeiters will pursue any objective to make money from neophytes. Cheers, RickO
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    joeykoinsjoeykoins Posts: 18,645 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: BillJones
    Here is a counterfeit 1955 Doubled Die Obverse cent from my "rogues gallery" of fakes. This one was offered on eBay. It's a pretty bad copy, at least for those who have more than a passing knowledge of the real thing.


    Don't be fooled. Better ones are out there. Do yourself a favor and buy an NGC or PCGS certified example. You'll be glad you did.


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    Hey, maybe the counterfeiter's fingerprint is the one on the coin? but of course, you can't prove that. Oh well?image

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    planonitplanonit Posts: 525 ✭✭
    People fake EVERYTHING. When silver was high there was a guy in Canada who was making fake 35% WWII Jeffersons then hauling them down to my state (Indiana) and selling them in lots via Craigslist.





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    TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 45,090 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The silver I melt is real. So is the gold.

    Although it seems the refinery disagrees with the numbers 10k as it corresponds to .416 often turns out to be .382 , or somehow 14K is .483 and not .585; or 18K is only .69.



    Someone somewhere is putting some fake _ _ _ _ somewhere. And it's always in my ear and out of my wallet.



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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 34,009 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: planonit

    People fake EVERYTHING. When silver was high there was a guy in Canada who was making fake 35% WWII Jeffersons then hauling them down to my state (Indiana) and selling them in lots via Craigslist.









    Completely fake coins! or just plated regular nickels?
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    291fifth291fifth Posts: 25,206 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If there is money to be made fakes will be made.
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    messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,784 ✭✭✭✭✭
    OP question hasn't been answered. He's asking if a genuine, normal coin can be altered to appear to have die doubling, or if such a coin has been seen. I would surmise that it would be possible to add necessary features to mimic a doubled die, but much more difficult than most common alterations.



    Has anyone seen a strike-doubled 69-S cent altered to look like an actual doubled die? This would probably be the easiest and most profitable target.
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    OnedollarnohollarOnedollarnohollar Posts: 2,035 ✭✭✭✭
    OP question hasn't been answered. He's asking if a genuine, normal coin can be altered to appear to have die doubling, or if such a coin has been seen. I would surmise that it would be possible to add necessary features to mimic a doubled die, but much more difficult than most common alterations.



    Thank you. This is exactly what I was asking.

    I haven't seen it but wonder if it has happened and if anyone has ever been busted doing it.

    Obviously the temptation would be there but I would imagine that you'd need a press that could

    stamp at a force and a die that would cause the necessary effect.
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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 34,009 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: Onedollarnohollar

    OP question hasn't been answered. He's asking if a genuine, normal coin can be altered to appear to have die doubling, or if such a coin has been seen. I would surmise that it would be possible to add necessary features to mimic a doubled die, but much more difficult than most common alterations.







    Thank you. This is exactly what I was asking.



    I haven't seen it but wonder if it has happened and if anyone has ever been busted doing it.



    Obviously the temptation would be there but I would imagine that you'd need a press that could



    stamp at a force and a die that would cause the necessary effect.




    If you take a struck coin with raised lettering and devices and strike it with a false die slightly turned to bring up up a second set of lettering and devices, you will flatten down the original raised lettering and devices with the flat field of the counterfeit die.



    Physically adding metal to the surface of a genuine coin to imitate the doubling on a doubled die would be extremely difficult.
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    thebeavthebeav Posts: 4,108 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: RPM2
    Also '72 DDO-1 has been counterfeited.


    Sure thing.....I had a beautiful one in Au-58 about 35 years ago.

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    TopographicOceansTopographicOceans Posts: 6,535 ✭✭✭✭
    Sure. Invest in a cent and some time and you get a great profit.
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    johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 33,104 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: BillJones
    Here is a counterfeit 1955 Doubled Die Obverse cent from my "rogues gallery" of fakes. This one was offered on eBay. It's a pretty bad copy, at least for those who have more than a passing knowledge of the real thing.


    Don't be fooled. Better ones are out there. Do yourself a favor and buy an NGC or PCGS certified example. You'll be glad you did.


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    what a fugly bogus counterfeit
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    planonitplanonit Posts: 525 ✭✭
    Originally posted by: CaptHenway
    Originally posted by: planonit
    People fake EVERYTHING. When silver was high there was a guy in Canada who was making fake 35% WWII Jeffersons then hauling them down to my state (Indiana) and selling them in lots via Craigslist.




    Completely fake coins! or just plated regular nickels?



    My understanding was totally fake. I had a few people around here tell me about it. How they knew he was from Canada I don't know.
    I have plans....sometimes

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