Strong prices for toned modern proof cents

ksuscott · October 11, 2015 9:19AM

I've seen a couple of really strong prices for toned modern proof Lincoln cents lately (see links below). Is this the norm for such coins? I normally stick to the classics and these prices for modern proofs shocked me.

2000-S PR67 Lincoln Cent
2007-S PR67 Lincoln Cent

Christos · October 11, 2015 1:40PM

I am not sure about the norm but toned coins are on the upswing and to find modern coins of that date looking like that is fairly rare. It is even more rare to have them in a holder as so many copper coins are turned away as AT.

lasvegasteddy · October 11, 2015 1:45PM

toned lincolns are kool

291fifth · October 11, 2015 1:59PM

If I owned similar pieces I would love to sell them for a big premium but would pay absolutely no premium for them if I were buying (which I am not.)

BG · October 11, 2015 5:42PM

Toning craze is alive and well.

astrorat · October 11, 2015 7:35PM

Wow ... wow. That's lots of money for some toning on some modern proofs. Congrats to the greattoning.

TopographicOceans · October 11, 2015 7:48PM

Each toned coin has a unique look. Beautifully toned Morgan’s can sell for a fortune as well.

I equate them to art where beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder.

robec · October 11, 2015 10:04PM

Hmmm, looks like there is a market for toned BN proof Lincoln's after all.

7Jaguars · October 11, 2015 10:13PM

Go Sellers!
God Bless the Buyers!
They'll need it on any resell attempt,
unless another of their ilk be found.

BillJones · October 11, 2015 10:18PM

When I was young collector in the 1960s, this would have been "a bad penney Proof" and would have made the whole Proof set undesirable. Now it's broken out and sold as a single coin for big bucks.

Like friend of my father's said, when the subject of eating rattlesnake meat came up, "They need'nt fix none for me."

Steve · October 11, 2015 11:25PM

So what would you say THIS Set Registry is worth? Steve

brg5658 · October 11, 2015 11:29PM

I can't stand how greattoning juices his photos. You can see the residual pixelation of where the photos have been circular selected and the saturation boosted. Absolutely despicable behaviour in my opinion.

Hydrant · October 11, 2015 11:36PM

Blast white was a fad. A bad fad. The rage over toned coins is a fad. A good fad. They're beautiful.

TwoSides2aCoin · October 11, 2015 11:40PM

Eye appeal plays a phenomenal part in cost/ prices. Always will. Always has.

MonsterCoinz · October 12, 2015 12:23AM

LOTS of shill bidding in that auction, but I was surprised when it reached 1000. Hope they end up paying.

coinsarefun · October 12, 2015 12:26AM

I think that maybe being designated RB may have something to do with it
as most are brown.

ricko · October 12, 2015 12:31AM

I would not give more than a cent.... and that is a lot, since tarnish is environmental damage...damaged coins are not my preference. Cheers, RickO

robec · October 12, 2015 1:03AM

<< I think that maybe being designated RB may have something to do with it
as most are brown. >>

Actually most modern colorful proof Lincoln's after the 1980's are designated RB not BN. Very few are designated BN in comparison. In fact the population report shows no BN after 1988.

keyman64 · October 12, 2015 2:55AM

<< LOTS of shill bidding in that auction, but I was surprised when it reached 1000. Hope they end up paying. >>

For the 2007-S, I was very suspicious of 2***j (36) where 100% of that bidder's activity is with the seller. The other bidder that pushed it to $1000 has about 40% of his activity with that seller. Had I been the winner, I would have made an inquiry with eBay to see if they could detect any fishy activity, maybe cross referencing IP addresses of different eBay accounts.

WingedLiberty1957 · October 12, 2015 3:00AM

Makes me wonder what this might be worth?

Somewhere between $1.06 and who knows?

commoncents05 · October 12, 2015 3:01AM

Anyone find it suspicious that one of them is PCGS designated as Red?

-Paul

crazyhounddog · October 12, 2015 3:03AM

TopographicOceans · October 12, 2015 3:12AM

<< When I was young collector in the 1960s, this would have been "a bad penney Proof" and would have made the whole Proof set undesirable. Now it's broken out and sold as a single coin for big bucks. >>

That was before the Internet and the days of computer monitors. Back then you would have to pull out three giant floord lights to view the cent in its natural state.

jom · October 12, 2015 3:13AM

<< I can't stand how greattoning juices his photos. You can see the residual pixelation of where the photos have been circular selected and the saturation boosted. Absolutely despicable behaviour in my opinion. >>

I'm gonna have to disagree with your last assessment there. The guy has 17000 feebacks and NO negs. You'd think "despicable behavior" would get at least a few negs.

If you get a coin you think had a juiced photo you can always send it back...especially with eBay.

jom

lasvegasteddy · October 12, 2015 3:13AM

such a treat to see WingedLiberty1957's set
then to see it presented in such fashion just compliment's it

what a masterpiece right there

thanks for sharing that with us

brg5658 · October 12, 2015 3:46AM

<< 

<< I can't stand how greattoning juices his photos. You can see the residual pixelation of where the photos have been circular selected and the saturation boosted. Absolutely despicable behaviour in my opinion. >>

I'm gonna have to disagree with your last assessment there. The guy has 17000 feebacks and NO negs. You'd think "despicable behavior" would get at least a few negs.

If you get a coin you think had a juiced photo you can always send it back...especially with eBay.

jom >>

Well, you can disagree all you want with the part I said was my opinion. The more important part of my post was the part that was 100% fact - sort of hard to disagree with that. The guy clearly fiddles with his auction pictures. He has for as long as he has been posting on eBay that I can remember. I even called him out and he denied it on the NGC boards before. I have a hard time trusting someone who will bold-faced-lie about his business practices. No negs or not, I'm not bidding in his auctions...to each his/her own.

MonsterCoinz · October 12, 2015 4:13AM

<< Makes me wonder what this might be worth?

Somewhere between $1.06 and who knows?

>>

I will leave the proofs to you. I don't know how this one could ever be topped.

BillJones · October 12, 2015 5:27AM

<< Blast white was a fad. A bad fad. The rage over toned coins is a fad. A good fad. They're beautiful. >>

No all toned coins are beautiful. In fact many of them are so ugly that most collectors won't buy them. Some of them are the result of "better coins through chemistry," which is highly undesirable.

I purchase the coins I find attractive relative to their age and the general appearance of other examples of the same type or design. I do not pay outrageous to toned coins. That tends to encourage "better coins through chemistry" just as the demand for "blast white" resulted in too much dipping years ago.

The best policy is to leave coins alone unless the process that is at work on them is doing damage.

WingedLiberty1957 · October 12, 2015 5:29AM

<< I can't stand how greattoning juices his photos. You can see the residual pixelation of where the photos have been circular selected and the saturation boosted. Absolutely despicable behaviour in my opinion. >>

Can you post some zoomed images of the pixelization from the circular cut outs -- I have looked at his images and I just can't see it. Help me out

When you post the images can you provide a little description of where you're looking

brg5658 · October 12, 2015 6:05AM

<< 

<< I can't stand how greattoning juices his photos. You can see the residual pixelation of where the photos have been circular selected and the saturation boosted. Absolutely despicable behaviour in my opinion. >>

Can you post some zoomed images of the pixelization from the circular cut outs -- I have looked at his images and I just can't see it. Help me out

When you post the images can you provide a little description of where you're looking >>

Sure, here's one from one of his auctions a while ago.

The circular crop / sat boost is also abundantly clear on the 2007-S Lincoln cent linked in the OP. The odd pixelation around the rims only occurs when you mess with the color/levels/saturation curves in post processing.

Steve · October 12, 2015 6:37AM

<< Makes me wonder what this might be worth?

Somewhere between $1.06 and who knows?

>>

Paul,
When you have a beautiful naturally toned set of Lincoln proof coins GRADED AND CERTIFIED BY PCGS, I think any knowledgeable collector DOES appreciate what you have. Believe me, it is worth much more than $1.06 or $10.06 or $106.00 or $1,006.00 or $10,060.00 or ? Now, go find a 1909VDB MPL among the 150 or so that exist in this world that would compliment the rest of the collection. I'm sure you agree. That is an impossible mission. Steve

brg5658 · October 12, 2015 7:28AM

<< 

<< I can't stand how greattoning juices his photos. You can see the residual pixelation of where the photos have been circular selected and the saturation boosted. Absolutely despicable behaviour in my opinion. >>

Can you post some zoomed images of the pixelization from the circular cut outs -- I have looked at his images and I just can't see it. Help me out

When you post the images can you provide a little description of where you're looking >>

Here's a crop of the 2007-S proof posted by the OP. The crop line is pretty clear, as it doesn't follow the rim of the coin. This is a classic tell-tale sign of "circular select and alter" coin picture juicing.

7Jaguars · October 12, 2015 7:58AM

Yes, you pointed out the one I was going to indict, along with the 07s and 08s to name but three...
Buyers for such?
Run, Forrest, run!

coinbuf · October 12, 2015 8:01AM

I find very little; if any at all; of the modern Lincolns that I have seen pictures of to be natural at all. Toning is a process that takes more than a few months unless helped along by some way, I'm very happy to leave what I consider to be doctored material to those that want it. Being in a plastic tomb does not 100% make a coin correct or unaltered, it just makes it market acceptable to some.

MrD · October 12, 2015 9:19PM

<< 

<< LOTS of shill bidding in that auction, but I was surprised when it reached 1000. Hope they end up paying. >>

For the 2007-S, I was very suspicious of 2***j (36) where 100% of that bidder's activity is with the seller. The other bidder that pushed it to $1000 has about 40% of his activity with that seller. Had I been the winner, I would have made an inquiry with eBay to see if they could detect any fishy activity, maybe cross referencing IP addresses of different eBay accounts. >>

The bidder with 100% history doesn't buy anything on Ebay anymore and called me to get my opinion on the coin. The other bidder that you mentioned is one of the people in this thread (I can't mention any names) that I have no relationship at all other than he buys items in my auctions. You can believe what you want. There isn't a shill bidder among them.

As far a "juicing the pictures", I try to make them the pictures look like the coin to the best of my ability. Although I get a return now and again they are few and far between. If the 2007 s comes back than so be it. That coin was exceedingly hard to image and the winning buyer plans to send it in for a trueview if he decides to keep it. I think the harsh criticism is unwarranted but people can say what they want. Check the feedback left from buyers.

SoCalBigMark · October 12, 2015 10:33PM

He juices his pictures, when I left honest feedback he harassed me.

lasvegasteddy · October 12, 2015 11:07PM

mr.d has always done me right
i've bought and sold many a coin through him

when he's listed mine...his imaging supported the coins i sent him fine
i didn't see no juicing on my consignments and his imaging was that of the trueviews that were attached with my coins

this thread was about a couple of highend lincoln toners realizing healthy prices
a state of health that's commendable in trying times for the hobby

then this thread derailed
sad to see

mr.d is though
a great stand up guy who handles very high end toners
the type of toners that will always cause some to rant a little over...fine so be it

but this thread is
about the health of a section of our hobby...some get...some don't

so grab some popcorn or your bag of tomato's as you please
life is in session

right on for mr.d and the buyers as well as the health of the toned coin market aspects

Strong prices for toned modern proof cents

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