<< <i>The guy's collection spanned 1977-1994 and all finds seem to be 1979 on. There is an update post that talks of 79, 80 and 81 BB vending cases and a 80 vending case. >>
Kind of disappointing then with all the hype from Reed surrounding this find. I would be impressed if BBCE ever found any unopened 75 topps baseball that isn't mini or opc, but this haul seems to be only impressive because of quantity.
<< <i>i see bbce currently has a 1979 wax case on their website for 23k....i have never even seen one of these! >>
CU case break! Where's Stifler?
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<< <i>1979 Topps Wax Case was thrown away for water/mildew damage.
I wonder what the condition of the cards in the very middle of the case were like? Did they even look that far into it?
I suppose if it was completed inundated, then it wouldn't even be worth the time to open the case. >>
I remember the Rosen find of mid-1950s Topps and Bowman wax boxes. Some boxes were too water damaged to salvage. There were silverfish all over some of the boxes.
The 79 case was not factory sealed though so the boxes are not FASC. At least that is the way I read the description. Still a cool find.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>There's definitely early 80s stuff still out there but even with this hoard I have yet to see any unopened wax, rack or cello boxes from the 70s, let alone cases. Pre-78 unopened product has definitely become tougher to find. >>
I know that this question can only draw sheer speculation, but what quantities do you guys (and gals) think might still be out there for 78-83 sealed wax, rack, cello and vending cases? Handful, dozens, hundreds?
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<< <i>The 79 case was not factory sealed though so the boxes are not FASC. At least that is the way I read the description. Still a cool find. >>
Correct, but the provenance is clearly laid out for me, and that is the important part. We see it's been sitting in a basement for over 30 years (photos and narrative from BBCE), we know he's going to wrap the boxes from that case. Is it possible this owner searched through these packs and removed all the Ozzies? Sure, but highly unlikely.
Here's what Steve needs to do; create a name for this find, and write that name on the back of each box. It's not FASC, but will establish the provenance, and that will help the resale. It would be foolish to wrap this box BBCE certified only, because that would put it on level with other BBCE certified boxes where Steve HASN"T opened the case. Big difference here.
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I didn't think Reed was done with the story and the revealing of product. It sounded like he was going to discuss the second visit to the home at a later point. Maybe there's more that we're not privy to yet?
<< <i>I didn't think Reed was done with the story and the revealing of product. It sounded like he was going to discuss the second visit to the home at a later point. Maybe there's more that we're not privy to yet? >>
I'm not sure how they could be done. FB said $350K purchase price. So that would mean....$550K-600K in resale min? The cloth stickers case is going for $4.2K....that's not gonna get us there.
Gotta be something big somewhere? What did I miss?
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Go back. Rereed. I believe the first visit they laid out around 120K. If they spent over 350K total, that means there's still presumably 2/3 of the $tory left to be told. Anxious awaiting the next chapter.
I remember reading somewhere that they were off-loading some of the find to a large PSA submitter (4sc?). Also, they found (2) cases of 82 Topps traded sets that are 20k a piece (not that it gets us that much closer to $350k).
May be nearing the point where wrapping boxes jumps the shark. NFASCBFIOMB Not From A Sealed Case But Found In Old Moldy Basement. Maybe keeping it simple would work better for all involved before this really goes bananas. If it hasn't already.
I'm hoping they have a nice 86 fleer bskball case...not sure anything else even in quantity would I have interest in..anything else is kind of common place for a guy like me, but BBCE to stock inventory potentially really nice. I still find myself somewhat hesitant with the providence etc...now if they throw a curveball at me and have some gorgeous raw mantles, hahahahaha.
<< <i>The 79 case was not factory sealed though so the boxes are not FASC. At least that is the way I read the description. Still a cool find. >>
Correct, but the provenance is clearly laid out for me, and that is the important part. We see it's been sitting in a basement for over 30 years (photos and narrative from BBCE), we know he's going to wrap the boxes from that case. Is it possible this owner searched through these packs and removed all the Ozzies? Sure, but highly unlikely.
Here's what Steve needs to do; create a name for this find, and write that name on the back of each box. It's not FASC, but will establish the provenance, and that will help the resale. It would be foolish to wrap this box BBCE certified only, because that would put it on level with other BBCE certified boxes where Steve HASN"T opened the case. Big difference here. >>
Sure, the provenance is solid for those familiar with the back story but at the end of the day there are those who pay the premium for truly FASC boxes. We saw evidence of such with thr wax tray case.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>I'm hoping they have a nice 86 fleer bskball case...not sure anything else even in quantity would I have interest in..anything else is kind of common place for a guy like me, but BBCE to stock inventory potentially really nice. I still find myself somewhat hesitant with the providence etc...now if they throw a curveball at me and have some gorgeous raw mantles, hahahahaha. >>
hate to burst the bubble on this but there's no way that was there - there's $200k-ish left to go on the reveal, not possible this would be in there considering their buy price for a sealed case is $300k
Interesting find. I'm sure there are many basements like this around the country. A keep to yourself hoarder type that has oodles of unopened. Cool to read about
so if these 82 topps traded cases are released, esp to 4sc or whoever, how many ripkens are expected per case (x3)...in general?
I've been thinking of getting a ripken for awhile but now I'm wondering how many graded cards would be expected to hit the market vs the existing POP? enough to cause a price drop of any significance?
also, if the best is yet to come, it almost has to be 86 fleer because it doesn't sound like any pre76 wax...although i certainly hope so...still has a way to go to justify a 350k expenditure so far ,....im hoping quality over quantity
Interested in higher grade vintage cards. Aren't we all.
There was a lot of early 80's wax cases. The vending cases were rather nice but I'd prepare for the cello and rack they are preparing to show. I will also be interested in grabbing a few of those Topps Traded Sets. Whether it's 4SC or not, over 400 sets will impact the population. You'll likely see a temporary price drop in the near future.
As cool as this find was, it was sooooo close to being a monster if he was a football or basketball guy. It was right in the sweet spot to have multiple cases of 80-81 basketball, 81 or 84 football, and not even discussing the 86 fleer basketball options. Just imagine if there 2-3 cases of each quietly tucked away in there too....
<< <i>As cool as this find was, it was sooooo close to being a monster if he was a football or basketball guy. It was right in the sweet spot to have multiple cases of 80-81 basketball, 81 or 84 football, and not even discussing the 86 fleer basketball options. Just imagine if there 2-3 cases of each quietly tucked away in there too.... >>
To me it looks like he had some of that stuff and it got sold at the shop or later on(80-81 bsk case).
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"so if these 82 topps traded cases are released, esp to 4sc or whoever, how many ripkens are expected per case (x3)...in general?"
you ask a good question. If there are 100 sets per case and 4sc has purchased one case, i would guess we will see 100 PSA 10 Ripkens added to the population report and for sale soon.
If I buy one of the 82 traded cases and submit all 100 Ripkens, i would guess we will see 1 or 2 PSA 10 Ripkens added to the population report and for sale soon.
<< <i>so if these 82 topps traded cases are released, esp to 4sc or whoever, how many ripkens are expected per case (x3)...in general?
I've been thinking of getting a ripken for awhile but now I'm wondering how many graded cards would be expected to hit the market vs the existing POP? enough to cause a price drop of any significance?
also, if the best is yet to come, it almost has to be 86 fleer because it doesn't sound like any pre76 wax...although i certainly hope so...still has a way to go to justify a 350k expenditure so far ,....im hoping quality over quantity >>
There are 100 sets per case, so 3 cases will yield 300 ripkens. Not sure how they usually grade out, but out of the 8852 previously submitted to PSA 205 came back as psa 10 (2.3%). So if all 300 of these were to get submitted, you would think the population of PSA 10s would jump by at least 7. Probably more as these cases looked to be in pretty good condition.
There's no guarantees on the TT Ripkens, fellas. There could be a case full of off-centered duds. Or a case full of sets with pinched corners from impact and transportation, although I'm sure the handling part for BBCE was done with detailed delicacy. If someone busts a case and starts pulling bad Ripkens, the rest of the sets will trickle into the market for retail.
<< <i>As cool as this find was, it was sooooo close to being a monster if he was a football or basketball guy. It was right in the sweet spot to have multiple cases of 80-81 basketball, 81 or 84 football, and not even discussing the 86 fleer basketball options. Just imagine if there 2-3 cases of each quietly tucked away in there too.... >>
To me it looks like he had some of that stuff and it got sold at the shop or later on(80-81 bsk case). >>
On the receipt for the 81 hockey wax case, a purchase of an 81 basketball case was also noted, but it was not in the hoard.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
This is just my opinion but for $350,000 I was expecting to see some insane items. It's a great story but $350,000 is so much money to me. The other thing I noted was Reed said he was paying the guy what their listed buy price was on the website. A few thoughts and just my opinion.
1) No way with the product in that environment would I pay full buy price. I have bought stuff directly from them that had the mildew smell. I wouldn't buy a single case from this find. It's just my opinion. Of course, Reed knows his stuff but just because they are sealed doesn't make them quality cases.
2) At 350k, there should be More discount to the buyer.
Am I off being surprised there isn't more "blow me away" stuff?
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Perhaps some stuff was sold off privately, and agreed not to be discussed on social media?
At any rate, BBCE are great at many things, including self-promotion.
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I was hoping to be proven wrong with my statement earlier in this thread about 1970s product, but there doesn't appear to be very much in that respect, except for the 77 cloth stickers case.
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<< <i>At 350k, there should be More discount to the buyer. Am I off being surprised there isn't more "blow me away" stuff? >>
i think there was some vending stuff that hasn't really been discussed, which would make sense if a big "grader" was involved. late 70s, early 80s, if there was i'm sure we'll find out in a few weeks.
i think one of the things around the price is that BBCE lists the buy price, and seems they probably stick by it - whether you have 1 case or 500 cases, "price is the price", add it up - here's your money. while i agree normally you'd probably expect a bigger discount, that's probably a "selling point" of dealing with them.
and on the ripken cards, there aren't going to be 100 new 10s find their way to market. there will probably be dozens of 8s and 9s, but 10s are still going to be tough. even at double or triple the previous "probability", you're looking at less than 10 new ones. i don't think that will hurt the 10 pop at all. the 9s may soften some, but the range on that card is pretty wide anyway so not sure anyone would really notice.
<< <i>I was hoping to be proven wrong with my statement earlier in this thread about 1970s product, but there doesn't appear to be very much in that respect, except for the 77 cloth stickers case. >>
Yes, I am stunned. You have to believe the best stuff was sold at the card shop to begin with?
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Just a few thoughts.... the 82T cases are nice, but I'd bet Fritsch's has more than 3 of those cases in their inventory... and there won't be many Ripken 10s in there (centering and corners were always problematic). In fact, I would be weary of those and any vending cases in that environment... no wax or cellophane to help protect the cards. I wouldn't be surprised one bit if there was some other pre-78 cases, keeping the cases intact would really limit the number of customers able to afford them... those transactions happen offline and without mention. Or they could easily have been held back for inventory (Steve is smart enough to not make his entire inventory available at once) or added to a personal collection. But a nice (large) find and fun to follow.
I wouldn't be surprised one bit if there was some other pre-78 cases, keeping the cases intact would really limit the number of customers able to afford them... those transactions happen offline and without mention.
I would disagree regarding the presence of any 78 or earlier cases~if there were any, I believe we'd have seen them by now, and if you consider the time frame for when this person was active and purchasing stock, it corresponds with the years we're already seeing. I believe if there were any cases, or even rack, wax or cello boxes from the 70s (other than the case of 77 cloth stickers), Reed would have posted about them on FB, considering all the details he has already provided.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>I thought I saw what looked to be 1979 and 1980 cello cases in one of the photos? >>
There is a 1980 baseball cello case on its side in one photo, but not sure if it is full or not. I didn't see the 79 cello case, but I did see two 81 baseball cello cases. Nothing from 78 or earlier, though.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>This is just my opinion but for $350,000 I was expecting to see some insane items. It's a great story but $350,000 is so much money to me. The other thing I noted was Reed said he was paying the guy what their listed buy price was on the website. A few thoughts and just my opinion.
1) No way with the product in that environment would I pay full buy price. I have bought stuff directly from them that had the mildew smell. I wouldn't buy a single case from this find. It's just my opinion. Of course, Reed knows his stuff but just because they are sealed doesn't make them quality cases.
2) At 350k, there should be More discount to the buyer.
Am I off being surprised there isn't more "blow me away" stuff? >>
Tim, after seeing the last round of photos it's definitely not likely (but still wouldn't be surprised). I do see a rack case of 78 baseball, but anything earlier does seem slim from the looks of it.
Looking at the photos it's a amazing find but $350k ?? I do not see it. I'm sure Steve and the guys know way more about big deals than I do but there's a lot of mid to late 80's "fire wood" in there.
Does this find have the sense that it was already cherry picked a while ago. There is 81 BB, but not 80. There is 80 hockey, but not 79.
I don't know what the football is, but seems like a lot of the items are missing the big rookies by one year. And these rookies were hot decades ago, so it would make sense if someone got ahold of that stuff a long time ago. Still a great find nonetheless and speaks to the tenacity of BBCE.
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<< <i>Looking at the photos it's a amazing find but $350k ?? I do not see it. I'm sure Steve and the guys know way more about big deals than I do but there's a lot of mid to late 80's "fire wood" in there. >>
Is it possible they are purposely not showing the real good stuff?
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<< <i>Looking at the photos it's a amazing find but $350k ?? I do not see it. I'm sure Steve and the guys know way more about big deals than I do but there's a lot of mid to late 80's "fire wood" in there. >>
Is it possible they are purposely not showing the real good stuff? >>
I could be wrong, but the way they Reed has chronicled the deal and pictured what they have on hand, I believe you are looking at the extent of what was there, at least with regard to the cases.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>Looking at the photos it's a amazing find but $350k ?? I do not see it. I'm sure Steve and the guys know way more about big deals than I do but there's a lot of mid to late 80's "fire wood" in there. >>
Is it possible they are purposely not showing the real good stuff? >>
I could be wrong, but the way they Reed has chronicled the deal and pictured what they have on hand, I believe you are looking at the extent of what was there, at least with regard to the cases. >>
I agree. It's quantity over quality IMO..great for BBCE but not the goldmine treasure chest I dream of.
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<< <i>The guy's collection spanned 1977-1994 and all finds seem to be 1979 on. There is an update post that talks of 79, 80 and 81 BB vending cases and a 80 vending case. >>
Kind of disappointing then with all the hype from Reed surrounding this find. I would be impressed if BBCE ever found any unopened 75 topps baseball that isn't mini or opc, but this haul seems to be only impressive because of quantity.
I wonder what the condition of the cards in the very middle of the case were like? Did they even look that far into it?
I suppose if it was completed inundated, then it wouldn't even be worth the time to open the case.
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<< <i>i see bbce currently has a 1979 wax case on their website for 23k....i have never even seen one of these! >>
CU case break! Where's Stifler?
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Prefer to buy in bulk.
<< <i>1979 Topps Wax Case was thrown away for water/mildew damage.
I wonder what the condition of the cards in the very middle of the case were like? Did they even look that far into it?
I suppose if it was completed inundated, then it wouldn't even be worth the time to open the case. >>
I remember the Rosen find of mid-1950s Topps and Bowman wax boxes. Some boxes were too water damaged to salvage. There were silverfish all over some of the boxes.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>There's definitely early 80s stuff still out there but even with this hoard I have yet to see any unopened wax, rack or cello boxes from the 70s, let alone cases. Pre-78 unopened product has definitely become tougher to find. >>
I know that this question can only draw sheer speculation, but what quantities do you guys (and gals) think might still be out there for 78-83 sealed wax, rack, cello and vending cases? Handful, dozens, hundreds?
<< <i>The 79 case was not factory sealed though so the boxes are not FASC. At least that is the way I read the description. Still a cool find. >>
Correct, but the provenance is clearly laid out for me, and that is the important part. We see it's been sitting in a basement for over 30 years (photos and narrative from BBCE), we know he's going to wrap the boxes from that case. Is it possible this owner searched through these packs and removed all the Ozzies? Sure, but highly unlikely.
Here's what Steve needs to do; create a name for this find, and write that name on the back of each box. It's not FASC, but will establish the provenance, and that will help the resale. It would be foolish to wrap this box BBCE certified only, because that would put it on level with other BBCE certified boxes where Steve HASN"T opened the case. Big difference here.
Collecting Unopened from '72-'83; mostly BBCE certified boxes/cases/racks.
Prefer to buy in bulk.
<< <i>I didn't think Reed was done with the story and the revealing of product. It sounded like he was going to discuss the second visit to the home at a later point. Maybe there's more that we're not privy to yet? >>
I'm not sure how they could be done. FB said $350K purchase price. So that would mean....$550K-600K in resale min? The cloth stickers case is going for $4.2K....that's not gonna get us there.
Gotta be something big somewhere? What did I miss?
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Prefer to buy in bulk.
But I agree, obviously still more to be disclosed.
Not From A Sealed Case But Found In Old Moldy Basement.
Maybe keeping it simple would work better for all involved before this really goes bananas. If it hasn't already.
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<< <i>The 79 case was not factory sealed though so the boxes are not FASC. At least that is the way I read the description. Still a cool find. >>
Correct, but the provenance is clearly laid out for me, and that is the important part. We see it's been sitting in a basement for over 30 years (photos and narrative from BBCE), we know he's going to wrap the boxes from that case. Is it possible this owner searched through these packs and removed all the Ozzies? Sure, but highly unlikely.
Here's what Steve needs to do; create a name for this find, and write that name on the back of each box. It's not FASC, but will establish the provenance, and that will help the resale. It would be foolish to wrap this box BBCE certified only, because that would put it on level with other BBCE certified boxes where Steve HASN"T opened the case. Big difference here. >>
Sure, the provenance is solid for those familiar with the back story but at the end of the day there are those who pay the premium for truly FASC boxes. We saw evidence of such with thr wax tray case.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>I'm hoping they have a nice 86 fleer bskball case...not sure anything else even in quantity would I have interest in..anything else is kind of common place for a guy like me, but BBCE to stock inventory potentially really nice. I still find myself somewhat hesitant with the providence etc...now if they throw a curveball at me and have some gorgeous raw mantles, hahahahaha. >>
hate to burst the bubble on this but there's no way that was there - there's $200k-ish left to go on the reveal, not possible this would be in there considering their buy price for a sealed case is $300k
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I've been thinking of getting a ripken for awhile but now I'm wondering how many graded cards would be expected to hit the market vs the existing POP? enough to cause a price drop of any significance?
also, if the best is yet to come, it almost has to be 86 fleer because it doesn't sound like any pre76 wax...although i certainly hope so...still has a way to go to justify a 350k expenditure so far
,....im hoping quality over quantity
I will also be interested in grabbing a few of those Topps Traded Sets. Whether it's 4SC or not, over 400 sets will impact the population. You'll likely see a temporary price drop in the near future.
<< <i>As cool as this find was, it was sooooo close to being a monster if he was a football or basketball guy. It was right in the sweet spot to have multiple cases of 80-81 basketball, 81 or 84 football, and not even discussing the 86 fleer basketball options. Just imagine if there 2-3 cases of each quietly tucked away in there too.... >>
To me it looks like he had some of that stuff and it got sold at the shop or later on(80-81 bsk case).
you ask a good question. If there are 100 sets per case and 4sc has purchased one case, i would guess we will see 100 PSA 10 Ripkens added to the population report and for sale soon.
If I buy one of the 82 traded cases and submit all 100 Ripkens, i would guess we will see 1 or 2 PSA 10 Ripkens added to the population report and for sale soon.
<< <i>so if these 82 topps traded cases are released, esp to 4sc or whoever, how many ripkens are expected per case (x3)...in general?
I've been thinking of getting a ripken for awhile but now I'm wondering how many graded cards would be expected to hit the market vs the existing POP? enough to cause a price drop of any significance?
also, if the best is yet to come, it almost has to be 86 fleer because it doesn't sound like any pre76 wax...although i certainly hope so...still has a way to go to justify a 350k expenditure so far
,....im hoping quality over quantity >>
There are 100 sets per case, so 3 cases will yield 300 ripkens. Not sure how they usually grade out, but out of the 8852 previously submitted to PSA 205 came back as psa 10 (2.3%). So if all 300 of these were to get submitted, you would think the population of PSA 10s would jump by at least 7. Probably more as these cases looked to be in pretty good condition.
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<< <i>As cool as this find was, it was sooooo close to being a monster if he was a football or basketball guy. It was right in the sweet spot to have multiple cases of 80-81 basketball, 81 or 84 football, and not even discussing the 86 fleer basketball options. Just imagine if there 2-3 cases of each quietly tucked away in there too.... >>
To me it looks like he had some of that stuff and it got sold at the shop or later on(80-81 bsk case). >>
On the receipt for the 81 hockey wax case, a purchase of an 81 basketball case was also noted, but it was not in the hoard.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
1) No way with the product in that environment would I pay full buy price. I have bought stuff directly from them that had the mildew smell. I wouldn't buy a single case from this find. It's just my opinion. Of course, Reed knows his stuff but just because they are sealed doesn't make them quality cases.
2) At 350k, there should be More discount to the buyer.
Am I off being surprised there isn't more "blow me away" stuff?
At any rate, BBCE are great at many things, including self-promotion.
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<< <i>At 350k, there should be More discount to the buyer.
Am I off being surprised there isn't more "blow me away" stuff? >>
i think there was some vending stuff that hasn't really been discussed, which would make sense if a big "grader" was involved. late 70s, early 80s, if there was i'm sure we'll find out in a few weeks.
i think one of the things around the price is that BBCE lists the buy price, and seems they probably stick by it - whether you have 1 case or 500 cases, "price is the price", add it up - here's your money. while i agree normally you'd probably expect a bigger discount, that's probably a "selling point" of dealing with them.
and on the ripken cards, there aren't going to be 100 new 10s find their way to market. there will probably be dozens of 8s and 9s, but 10s are still going to be tough. even at double or triple the previous "probability", you're looking at less than 10 new ones. i don't think that will hurt the 10 pop at all. the 9s may soften some, but the range on that card is pretty wide anyway so not sure anyone would really notice.
<< <i>I was hoping to be proven wrong with my statement earlier in this thread about 1970s product, but there doesn't appear to be very much in that respect, except for the 77 cloth stickers case. >>
Yes, I am stunned. You have to believe the best stuff was sold at the card shop to begin with?
I would disagree regarding the presence of any 78 or earlier cases~if there were any, I believe we'd have seen them by now, and if you consider the time frame for when this person was active and purchasing stock, it corresponds with the years we're already seeing. I believe if there were any cases, or even rack, wax or cello boxes from the 70s (other than the case of 77 cloth stickers), Reed would have posted about them on FB, considering all the details he has already provided.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>I thought I saw what looked to be 1979 and 1980 cello cases in one of the photos? >>
There is a 1980 baseball cello case on its side in one photo, but not sure if it is full or not. I didn't see the 79 cello case, but I did see two 81 baseball cello cases. Nothing from 78 or earlier, though.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>This is just my opinion but for $350,000 I was expecting to see some insane items. It's a great story but $350,000 is so much money to me. The other thing I noted was Reed said he was paying the guy what their listed buy price was on the website. A few thoughts and just my opinion.
1) No way with the product in that environment would I pay full buy price. I have bought stuff directly from them that had the mildew smell. I wouldn't buy a single case from this find. It's just my opinion. Of course, Reed knows his stuff but just because they are sealed doesn't make them quality cases.
2) At 350k, there should be More discount to the buyer.
Am I off being surprised there isn't more "blow me away" stuff? >>
Agree with everything you said.
I don't know what the football is, but seems like a lot of the items are missing the big rookies by one year. And these rookies were hot decades ago, so it would make sense if someone got ahold of that stuff a long time ago. Still a great find nonetheless and speaks to the tenacity of BBCE.
Collecting Unopened from '72-'83; mostly BBCE certified boxes/cases/racks.
Prefer to buy in bulk.
<< <i>Looking at the photos it's a amazing find but $350k ?? I do not see it. I'm sure Steve and the guys know way more about big deals than I do but there's a lot of mid to late 80's "fire wood" in there. >>
Is it possible they are purposely not showing the real good stuff?
Doug
Liquidating my collection for the 3rd and final time. Time for others to enjoy what I have enjoyed over the last several decades. Money could be put to better use.
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<< <i>Looking at the photos it's a amazing find but $350k ?? I do not see it. I'm sure Steve and the guys know way more about big deals than I do but there's a lot of mid to late 80's "fire wood" in there. >>
Is it possible they are purposely not showing the real good stuff? >>
I could be wrong, but the way they Reed has chronicled the deal and pictured what they have on hand, I believe you are looking at the extent of what was there, at least with regard to the cases.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
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<< <i>Looking at the photos it's a amazing find but $350k ?? I do not see it. I'm sure Steve and the guys know way more about big deals than I do but there's a lot of mid to late 80's "fire wood" in there. >>
Is it possible they are purposely not showing the real good stuff? >>
I could be wrong, but the way they Reed has chronicled the deal and pictured what they have on hand, I believe you are looking at the extent of what was there, at least with regard to the cases. >>
I agree. It's quantity over quality IMO..great for BBCE but not the goldmine treasure chest I dream of.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.