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  • keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭

    interestingly, there is a collection being offered now by Stack's with a provenance to "Richard Jewell" which has some very rare/scarce Medals and Exonumia included. although I'm acquainted with most of the names on the OP list, I had never heard of Mr. Jewell until now.

    can anyone add any information about him?? :)

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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,226 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @keets said:
    interestingly, there is a collection being offered now by Stack's with a provenance to "Richard Jewell" which has some very rare/scarce Medals and Exonumia included. although I'm acquainted with most of the names on the OP list, I had never heard of Mr. Jewell until now.

    can anyone add any information about him?? :)

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  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,287 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 26, 2020 9:33AM

    @CaptHenway said:

    @keets said:
    interestingly, there is a collection being offered now by Stack's with a provenance to "Richard Jewell" which has some very rare/scarce Medals and Exonumia included. although I'm acquainted with most of the names on the OP list, I had never heard of Mr. Jewell until now.

    can anyone add any information about him?? :)

    https://www.coinbooks.org/v20/esylum_v20n42a25.html

    Great post. @RYK had a post on his collection back in 2006:

    https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/470058/next-up-at-anr-richard-jewell-collection-of-commemorative-coins

    The E-Sylum article mentions Rich lives in Pittsburgh and this is a Wikipedia page for a prominent Richard Jewell from Pittsburgh:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_G._Jewell

  • WDPWDP Posts: 517 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Zions previously posted "Pedigree List Updates"

    This is a running list of pedigrees identified in this thread and elsewhere:
    D.C. Daniels
    Calvert Emmons - sold his collection in 1986.
    Donald Ensley
    John Jay Ford Jr.
    Harold Hibler
    Bill Hyder
    Eric Pfeiffer Newman
    Alfred James Ostheimer III
    John Raymond
    Jeff Shevlin
    David Snider / Cosmique - sold by Goldbergs
    Tony Swicer - sold collection in the mid 1990s.
    Bruce Thomas
    Bill Weber

    @Zoins , I recommend that you add Jacque Ostheimer to the Alfred J. Ostheimer III pedigree above. Alfred and Jacque collected the So-Called Dollars together. Both are listed as contributors to the Hibler & Kappen book SO-CALLED DOLLARS published in 1963. Jacque is listed as Jacquenette C. Ostheimer in the H&K book.

    The Ostheimer's began collecting the So-Called Dollars in the 1950s, using the Kenny pamphlet as their guide. I have their heavily annotated copy of the Kenny publication that was given to me by Jacque Ostheimer when I purchased their collection of So-Called Dollars en bloc. I also have their copy of the 1963 edition of the H&K book with a few items "laid in."

    The Ostheimer's corresponded with Hal Hibler when he was writing the So-Called Dollar book. They reported unknown / unlisted So-Called Dollars to Hibler, with many of them becoming plate coins in the first edition of the book. Some were so rare they also became plate coins in the 2008 revised book - these are listed on page 4 under my name, "W. David Perkins." You will see there were actually quite a few! I have a file box with the correspondence that I purchased when I bought the collection from Jacque.

    Most of the photos were taken by So-Called Dollar specialist Jeff Shevlin. The photos were taken by Jeff at my house on the Sunday after the 2006 ANA World's Fair of Money that was held in Denver.

    All of the Ostheimer SCDs were wrapped in jeweler's tissue, mostly untouched since these pieces were put away in the 1950s and 1960s! I would unwrap one piece, put one back in the tissue and envelope, open another and so it went for 10-12 hours!

    All in all there were over 700 H&K numbers in the Ostheimer Collection.

    The Ostheimer's also collected the early U.S. Silver Dollars 1794-1803 by die marriage. The collection included the Gem "Lord St. Oswald" 1794 Dollar purchased from the 1964 Christies auction. This coin was sold in the D. Brent Pogue Collection Sale Part II, September 30, 2015:2041 for $5M! It was Jacque that went to London and purchased this coin in the auction in 1964.

    Jacque is still alive, but recently moved into a Nursing Home. She is in her 90s.

    W. David Perkins Numismatics - http://www.davidperkinsrarecoins.com/ - 25+ Years ANA, ANS, NLG, NBS, LM JRCS, LSCC, EAC, TAMS, LM CWTS, CSNS, FUN

  • ScarsdaleCoinScarsdaleCoin Posts: 5,229 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Zoins said:

    @ScarsdaleCoin said:
    Jeff is not really a pedigree as it is more his company advertising. I’m Not knocking Jeff in the least I just put his name in the slab it in a different catagory.

    There may be a marketing component but he also seems to be fairly selective about it. In Jeff's October 14 price list, there are 92 items, only 4 of which are noted as being from the "Jeff Shevlin Collection". There's 1 from the Ostheimer Collection and one from the Bill Weber Collection as well.

    Every HK that Jeff submits to NGC/PCGS he puts "Jeff Shevlin Collection on... so they are not really a collection but rather IMHO a marketing promo.... To me if its pedigree it must be THE owners collection

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  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,287 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 5, 2020 8:46PM

    @WDP said:
    @Zoins , I recommend that you add Jacque Ostheimer to the Alfred J. Ostheimer III pedigree above. Alfred and Jacque collected the So-Called Dollars together. Both are listed as contributors to the Hibler & Kappen book SO-CALLED DOLLARS published in 1963. Jacque is listed as Jacquenette C. Ostheimer in the H&K book.

    Good thought. I've added her to the listing.

    The Ostheimer's began collecting the So-Called Dollars in the 1950s, using the Kenny pamphlet as their guide. I have their heavily annotated copy of the Kenny publication that was given to me by Jacque Ostheimer when I purchased their collection of So-Called Dollars en bloc.

    I have two Ostheimer So-Called Dollars. Do you know if they would have been sold before or after your en bloc acquisition?

    All of the Ostheimer SCDs were wrapped in jeweler's tissue, mostly untouched since these pieces were put away in the 1950s and 1960s! I would unwrap one piece, put one back in the tissue and envelope, open another and so it went for 10-12 hours!

    All in all there were over 700 H&K numbers in the Ostheimer Collection.

    That sounds like an amazing experience!

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,287 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 6, 2020 9:27AM

    Here's one of Richard Jewell's stand outs. Other known specimens include the John Quincy Adams and Andrew Jackson.

    Is there any other known provenance for this? Stack’s doesn’t list any.

  • WDPWDP Posts: 517 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Zoins asked, I have two Ostheimer So-Called Dollars. Do you know if they would have been sold before or after your en bloc acquisition?

    All of the Ostheimer SCDs were wrapped in jeweler's tissue, mostly untouched since these pieces were put away in the 1950s and 1960s! I would unwrap one piece, put one back in the tissue and envelope, open another and so it went for 10-12 hours!

    All of the Ostheimer So-Called Dollars were "raw" when I purchased the collection, and most were in tissue and envelopes as noted earlier. Over time I had the better pieces graded by NGC through Ernie Latter, a Florida dealer. If I recall correctly, all of these had the Ostheimer name on the holders.

    I collected the Lesher and Bryan Dollars prior to acquiring their collection. I had the Ostheimer provenance put on these when graded, plus some other pedigree information. For example, the Bryan Dollars included a dozen or so pieces that were from Farran Zerbe, likely plucked off the presses when made and carefully stored from "day one." A number of these received MS66 grades. The pedigree on the holders for these was Ostheimer-Zerbe-Perkins.

    I still have Zerbe's set of Pan Pac SCD medals including a blank planchet. It has the Ostheimer-Zerbe-Perkins pedigree on the holders.

    Thus the two Ostheimer SCDs you purchase were sold after my acquisition of the collection. Thanks for asking!

    And here's a photo of the three medals and blank (bronze) planchet.
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    W. David Perkins Numismatics - http://www.davidperkinsrarecoins.com/ - 25+ Years ANA, ANS, NLG, NBS, LM JRCS, LSCC, EAC, TAMS, LM CWTS, CSNS, FUN

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,287 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 6, 2020 8:49AM

    New additions to the list include the following which brings the list to 19 collectors.

    • William Sphon Baker
    • Richard Jewell
    • Dwight Manley
    • W. David Perkins
  • WDPWDP Posts: 517 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I just looked at the first list having thought of Tony Swicer and his SCD Collection. I believe it may have had over 900 H&K numbers possibly making it the largest collection by H&K number ever! I corresponded with him when I acquired the Ostheimer Collection and have a listing of his collection hidden away somewhere.

    W. David Perkins Numismatics - http://www.davidperkinsrarecoins.com/ - 25+ Years ANA, ANS, NLG, NBS, LM JRCS, LSCC, EAC, TAMS, LM CWTS, CSNS, FUN

  • WDPWDP Posts: 517 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm pretty sure Charles V. Kappen of "Hibler & Kappen fame" and co-author of the original So-Called Dollar book had a nice collection of So-Called Dollars.

    W. David Perkins Numismatics - http://www.davidperkinsrarecoins.com/ - 25+ Years ANA, ANS, NLG, NBS, LM JRCS, LSCC, EAC, TAMS, LM CWTS, CSNS, FUN

  • WDPWDP Posts: 517 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @THOMAS655, your HK-139 ex. Ostheimer Collection is a great example of how rare some So-Called Dollars are. This example was the plate coin in the first edition of the book in 1963, and again in the second edition published in 2008.

    I looked at the NGC Population report and to date it shows only four examples of HK-139 have been graded. Pretty rare.

    W. David Perkins Numismatics - http://www.davidperkinsrarecoins.com/ - 25+ Years ANA, ANS, NLG, NBS, LM JRCS, LSCC, EAC, TAMS, LM CWTS, CSNS, FUN

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,287 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 6, 2020 7:40PM

    @WDP said:
    I'm pretty sure Charles V. Kappen of "Hibler & Kappen fame" and co-author of the original So-Called Dollar book had a nice collection of So-Called Dollars.

    Are there any So-Called Dollars attributed to Kappen? I can look through HK for his photo credits but I haven’t run across his provenance on pieces yet.

  • WDPWDP Posts: 517 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I've personally never seen a piece noted as being "Ex. Kappen." I do recall hearing years ago that Kappen had a collection, and it would make sense that he did having co-authored the book.

    Who knows....

    W. David Perkins Numismatics - http://www.davidperkinsrarecoins.com/ - 25+ Years ANA, ANS, NLG, NBS, LM JRCS, LSCC, EAC, TAMS, LM CWTS, CSNS, FUN

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,287 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 7, 2020 9:41AM

    @WDP said:
    I've personally never seen a piece noted as being "Ex. Kappen." I do recall hearing years ago that Kappen had a collection, and it would make sense that he did having co-authored the book.

    Who knows....

    For the pedigree list, I'd prefer to keep it to pedigrees seen in the wild. It would be great to see some pieces attributed to him. I'd be okay if HK plate coins are attributed to Kappen but it's kind of strange to list a pedigree if not a single piece is known. He could have been a co-author but not a collector.

  • keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I was cleaning out some boxes and came across a CD with the collection of Victor Annaloro, it seems like it's from around 2005 or so. I'm not sure if it would qualify but it is an extensive collection.

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,287 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @keets said:
    I was cleaning out some boxes and came across a CD with the collection of Victor Annaloro, it seems like it's from around 2005 or so. I'm not sure if it would qualify but it is an extensive collection.

    Great info. His So-Called Dollars are plate coins in H&K as well. This same coin on So-CalledDollars.com is in H&K 2nd edition.

  • bammerbbbammerbb Posts: 162 ✭✭✭

    I'm very happy to see this topic. I love the SCDs, right now I'm working on western theme SCDs. Plan on posting pics and adding new replies and topics.

  • DrDarrylDrDarryl Posts: 616 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Hk-536 Alaska Uniface and HK-537 Hawaii Uniface with Ostheimer Collection/Ex. Hibler pedigree.

  • WDPWDP Posts: 517 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @DrDarryl , it is fun to see these two extremely rare SCDs posted here. I purchased these two pieces from Mrs. Ostheimer as part of the collection of SCDs that she and her husband Alfred assembled.

    When I did my research i could only find one appearance in over 30 years and knew there were only 11 struck of each. I think they brought close to $1,000 each when Jeff Shevlin and I sold them in a Sealed Bid Sale. the H&K 536 is the plate coin in the second edition - the authors did not have a photo of H&K 536 when they were only a few months before publication when we gave a photo to them. To me this was and is an indication of how rare these are.

    Thanks for posting!

    W. David Perkins Numismatics - http://www.davidperkinsrarecoins.com/ - 25+ Years ANA, ANS, NLG, NBS, LM JRCS, LSCC, EAC, TAMS, LM CWTS, CSNS, FUN

  • DrDarrylDrDarryl Posts: 616 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @WDP said:
    @DrDarryl , it is fun to see these two extremely rare SCDs posted here. I purchased these two pieces from Mrs. Ostheimer as part of the collection of SCDs that she and her husband Alfred assembled.

    When I did my research i could only find one appearance in over 30 years and knew there were only 11 struck of each. I think they brought close to $1,000 each when Jeff Shevlin and I sold them in a Sealed Bid Sale. the H&K 536 is the plate coin in the second edition - the authors did not have a photo of H&K 536 when they were only a few months before publication when we gave a photo to them. To me this was and is an indication of how rare these are.

    Thanks for posting!

    Thank you for the background information.

    I believed the H&K 536 & H&K 537 were out of my reach for a long period of time, however I was at the right place at the right time when Jeff Shevlin offered both for sale back in 2014. My SCD collector focus is limited to the Hawaii related SCDs listed in the H&K book.

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,287 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 6, 2020 7:42PM

    Awesome pieces @DrDarryl !

    How many Hawaii So-Called Dollars do you have?

    It would be great to have everyone that owns these now get together and contribute to an Ostheimer legacy Registry Set :)

  • DrDarrylDrDarryl Posts: 616 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Zoins said:

    How many Hawaii So-Called Dollars do you have?

    No other from Ostheimer . Missing a few in the odd metals.

    For the Hawaii undated:

    High grade (current NGC top pop that was purchased raw.)

    High grade (another current NGC top pop that was purchased raw). Showed this to Jeff Shevlin at the 2017 ANA World's Fair of Money and he was not aware of the no-hole version.

    Really tough one. Purchased raw and got DETAILS after NGC conservation. No TPG has graded a HK-722B.

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,287 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Awesome, rare So-Called Dollars @DrDarryl . Very impressive that you picked them up raw. I love the Hawaiiana and wish I could visit more. Are you from Hawaii?

  • bidaskbidask Posts: 14,017 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ScarsdaleCoin said:

    @Zoins said:

    @ScarsdaleCoin said:
    Jeff is not really a pedigree as it is more his company advertising. I’m Not knocking Jeff in the least I just put his name in the slab it in a different catagory.

    There may be a marketing component but he also seems to be fairly selective about it. In Jeff's October 14 price list, there are 92 items, only 4 of which are noted as being from the "Jeff Shevlin Collection". There's 1 from the Ostheimer Collection and one from the Bill Weber Collection as well.

    Every HK that Jeff submits to NGC/PCGS he puts "Jeff Shevlin Collection on... so they are not really a collection but rather IMHO a marketing promo.... To me if its pedigree it must be THE owners collection

    Good point !

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  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,287 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 9, 2020 7:59PM

    I checked with Jeff on the "Jeff Shevlin Collection" Provenance. He doesn't put it on "everything" he gets graded but he does put it on the nicer pieces, so it's quite a few pieces but don't expect to see dreck with his provenance.

    While not an indicator of his personal collection, I do still like to track dealer pieces. For example, it would be great to see pieces handled by Legend, CRO, Steve Hayden, Alex Pancheco, John Kraljevich, David Winter, etc.

    A Jeff Shevlin Collection piece which is a HK-15A MS66 PL. This is a pop 2/1 with the single higher piece being a MS66 DPL.

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,287 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 9, 2020 7:59PM

    I have two Ostheimer pieces.

    This HK-437 has the added provenance of being in the @keets collection :) Unfortunately, PCGS didn't transfer the provenance, but it can still be traced via auction photos.

    I also have Ostheimer's HK-45 in NGC MS62 DPL which is the plate coin for H&K 2nd Edition.

  • DrDarrylDrDarryl Posts: 616 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Zoins said:
    Awesome, rare So-Called Dollars @DrDarryl . Very impressive that you picked them up raw. I love the Hawaiiana and wish I could visit more. Are you from Hawaii?

    My birthplace is Honolulu. Raised on Oahu and the Big Island. My wife is originally from Maui. Had a trip back in the fall of 2019. Picture taken while sea kayaking.

  • OuthaulOuthaul Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Pedigree/provenance means nothing to me with regard to value. In the end, it's the condition and rarity that matters, not who owned it.

    Just my eversohumble opinion.

    Cheers

    Bob

  • DrDarrylDrDarryl Posts: 616 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Zoins said:
    I have two Ostheimer pieces.

    This HK-437 has the added provenance of being in the @keets collection :) Unfortunately, PCGS didn't transfer the provenance, but it can still be traced via auction photos.

    I also have Ostheimer's HK-45 in NGC MS62 DPL which is the plate coin for H&K 2nd Edition.

    Excellent!

    I did discuss an item with Jeff Shevlin (at the 2017 ANA World's Fair of Money in Denver) in probability of a newly identified group of US Mint medals being added to the SCD grouping. According to him it is a possibility that the Class 2 medals could be included. Here are a few Class 2 examples from my research collection.

    This Hawaii June 1960 President Eisenhower Appreciation Medal was struck at the US Mint at Philadelphia. It's listed in the Medcalf &Russell book, Hawaiian Money Standard Catalog 2nd Edition, however it's simply a visual description (no manufacturer, designer, mintage, related medals, origins in Hawaii, etc.).

    This June 1960 President Eisenhower Appreciation Medal was struck at the US Mint at Philadelphia. It's listed in the Aldo P. Basso book, Coins. Medals, and Tokens of the Philippines 1728 - 1974, , however it's simply a visual description (no manufacturer, designer, mintage, related medals, etc.). Basso di mention in origins as present by Eisenhower in June 1960 during his Philippines visit.

    Jeff did scan over a copy of my book (blue book) as I told him my research findings based on reviewing records from the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA). There are copies of these records in the books. There are 5 Classes of Presidential appreciation medals. Designers have been identified (Frank Gasparro or Gasparro/Gilroy Roberts). Exact mintages are now known. Exact inventory are known of those destroyed (reclamation of silver and gold) by the US Treasury Department are now known. A whole lot of missing US history about these medals are now known.

    Here are the 5 Classes visually identified (size not to scale). The Class 2 medals have the same dimensions and silver fineness as a Morgan silver dollar except it has no reeded edges. The Hawaii medal had an original mintage of 400, destruction inventory of 105, and 28 medals are held by NARA. Net number available to collectors is 267 (not counting those that met its end at smelters).

    The best historical Class 2 piece is the 1960 Paris Summit medal. I had an Paris Summit exhibit entry accepted for 2020 ANA Money Show in Georgia until the COVID-19 cancellation.

    Stacks and Bowers had a Hawaii medal for auction in November 2019 and set a record. https://auctions.stacksbowers.com/lots/view/3-KJY1U/1960-dwight-d-eisenhower-appreciation-medal-silver-381-mm-medcalf-russell-2m-94-ms-63-ngc

    Sorry for the lengthy entry (I should have started a new thread).

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,287 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 20, 2020 4:22AM

    @DrDarryl said:

    @Zoins said:
    Awesome, rare So-Called Dollars @DrDarryl . Very impressive that you picked them up raw. I love the Hawaiiana and wish I could visit more. Are you from Hawaii?

    My birthplace is Honolulu. Raised on Oahu and the Big Island. My wife is originally from Maui. Had a trip back in the fall of 2019. Picture taken while sea kayaking.

    Awesome! I'm fan of Hawaii. I've hiked the Na Pali coast and went snorkeling in Hanauma Bay. Still have to go sea kayaking some time.

    @DrDarryl said:
    Sorry for the lengthy entry (I should have started a new thread).

    No worries! That's great info and nice to have! :):+1:

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,287 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Here's a Jeff Shevlin slab that isn't often seen:

  • Pioneer1Pioneer1 Posts: 146 ✭✭✭

    Another addition.... Robert Jesinger Collection

    A So-Called Dollar and Slug Collector... Previously "Pioneer" on this site...

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,287 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 26, 2020 5:52AM

    @Pioneer1 said:
    Another addition.... Robert Jesinger Collection

    Beautiful So-Called Dollars! Those are some nice pieces! Here's the description of his set:

    Highest quality and/or rare so-called dollars that i've been collecting since 2007...

    https://comics.www.collectors-society.com/wcm/CoinCustomSetView.aspx?s=14722

    It's great to see everyone's collections given how rare these are. He has some really nice pieces.

    I've added his name to the list.

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,287 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Here are two I just ran across.

    The first SCD and photos are from @ScarsdaleCoin! Nice to see the provenance on the slab.

    The second is from David Snider's Cosmique Collection with photos by numismaticshop1:

  • Pioneer1Pioneer1 Posts: 146 ✭✭✭
    edited July 28, 2020 9:16PM

    Gotham Collection... not sure who the original owner is.... I think I was told it was from a "New York" collection by one of the auction house reps... and originally from Joe Levine's PCAC sale in 2008....

    A So-Called Dollar and Slug Collector... Previously "Pioneer" on this site...

  • Pioneer1Pioneer1 Posts: 146 ✭✭✭

    Another name... Henry South

    1967048-002 in MS62... don't have the photo but it's on the slab if you check NGC

    A So-Called Dollar and Slug Collector... Previously "Pioneer" on this site...

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,287 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 29, 2020 1:20AM

    @Pioneer1 said:
    Another name... Henry South

    1967048-002 in MS62... don't have the photo but it's on the slab if you check NGC

    Here's the link. Great to see this. I see a lot of Henry's Civil War Tokens and am holding a Bolen token from his collection, but haven't run across any other So-Called Dollars.

    https://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/1967048-002/62/

  • DrDarrylDrDarryl Posts: 616 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My duplicate HK-722a with intact "49" (HK book plate is a drilled out 49 specimen) from the D. Ensley Collection.

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,287 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 29, 2020 8:01PM

    @Pioneer1 said:
    Gotham Collection... not sure who the original owner is.... I think I was told it was from a "New York" collection by one of the auction house reps... and originally from Joe Levine's PCAC sale in 2008....

    That's a great provenance!

    PCAC (Presidential Coin and Antique Co.) sold the Gotham Collection of So-Called Dollar in their Auction Seventy-Eight, June 2008.

    https://auctions.stacksbowers.com/lots/view/3-IAZX1/undated-1933-pedley-ryan-dollar-type-i-silver-38-mm-hk-822-rarity-7-ms-63-ngc

  • keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 3, 2020 2:23PM

    here's a new one I had never heard of before, the Dr. Ruby Collection.

  • Pioneer1Pioneer1 Posts: 146 ✭✭✭

    Here is also another I had not heard of....

    A So-Called Dollar and Slug Collector... Previously "Pioneer" on this site...

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,287 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 12, 2020 11:10PM
  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,287 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 14, 2020 7:11PM

    From the following auction catalog description, I'm surprised Barry Friedman hasn’t been mentioned yet! I added him to the list just now.

    Anyone know Barry or have any of his pieces?

    Are many of his 1000+ pieces traceable to him today?

    The Barry Friedman Collection of So-Called Dollars

    The Friedman Collection, at its height, was one of the largest collections of So-Called Dollars ever assembled. At its zenith it included about 90% of the listed pieces plus over 1000 unlisted items that fit into the Hibler-Kappen parameters for the series. When Barry decided to dispose of his collection, he approached the task with a three-pronged program. He first sold selected items to some of the many collectors with whom he traded through the years he built the collection. He then consigned to us the cream of the remaining collection and then he offered on eBay the balance of what was left.

    The 126 lots which we now offer constitute our largest quality offering of So-Called Dollars since 1986 when we auctioned the Dr. Calvert Emmons Collection. They are a testament to Barry Friedman's taste and perseverance.

  • abcde12345abcde12345 Posts: 3,404 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @keets said:
    here's a new one I had never heard of before, the Dr. Ruby Collection.

    Too bad about the UNC DETAILS! Finding these in problem free GEM is certainly difficult.

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,287 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 14, 2020 7:10PM

    @abcde12345 said:

    @keets said:
    here's a new one I had never heard of before, the Dr. Ruby Collection.

    Too bad about the UNC DETAILS! Finding these in problem free GEM is certainly difficult.

    Difficult but they do exist! Here's my MS66PL from Jeff Shevlin. He has a HK-15 in NGC MS65 and MS64 now.

    Mine's a HK-15A which is gilt copper vs. HK-15 (brass), but NGC now thinks no brass exist and all previously cataloged as brass are really gilt copper.

    Have to get my name on it sometime :)

  • abcde12345abcde12345 Posts: 3,404 ✭✭✭✭✭

    ^
    Nice!
    It is better to collect quality with these medals than quantity. It is easy to find hairlined problem medals- especially the aluminum ones, but try and find them in GEM is problematic. A lesson to be learned.

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,287 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 15, 2020 1:46AM

    @abcde12345 said:
    ^
    Nice!
    It is better to collect quality with these medals than quantity. It is easy to find hairlined problem medals- especially the aluminum ones, but try and find them in GEM is problematic. A lesson to be learned.

    There are different ways to collect So-Called Dollars. Better condition is always nicer, but many people like completeness and if that's the goal, it may be very difficult to build a sizable collection in gem.

    I do have collections where I will bid on almost any condition piece, almost but not all, but then the pieces are especially common and easy to find to begin with.

  • abcde12345abcde12345 Posts: 3,404 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yes, yet wouldn't you rather have six absolute "best-for-the-grade" than some who collect willy-nilly and own a bunch of damaged; holed, and problem medals?

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