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Bought a pice of rubber last night.

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World War II Survival Kit. Also known as a DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE GOLD BARTER KIT. Consists of: 10 franc, 20 franc, ½ sovereign (2), 1 sovereign, gold rings (3). These historic kits were made for use by men involved in clandestine operations, paratropers, certain fliers, and military personel dropped behind enemy lines in Europe during World War I. It would be difficult to find a more numismatic relic of that war. These kits were advertised to have one British or South African sovereign, two half-sovereigns, a French 20 franc and a 10 franc piece. In addition, each kit contained three gold rings. The numismatic publications stressed that no thought was given to the condition of the coins when the kits were assembled and that many might contain coins in only very good condition. The object of the kit was to provide an allied agent with a treasury which would provide the means of persuading a person in Germany or the Nazis occupied areas to assist him in his operation or provide him with military information. If he was a pilot who had been shot down the gold could help him escape capture and internment. The plan probably worked because even in a fascist state there is a built-in feature of a desire by the citizens to `beat the system.` As gold was very valuable during the war, the allied fighter had a good chance of obtaining help. This set is sealed in hard black rubber and is unopened. Stamped is `If Found Return to NavAirLant Conal 34 Norfolk Virginia and stamped 1152. image


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    lasvegasteddylasvegasteddy Posts: 10,492 ✭✭✭
    no x-rays of contents?
    everything in life is but merely on loan to us by our appreciation....lose your appreciation and see


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    Type2Type2 Posts: 13,985 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That's next once in hand. image


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    BackroadJunkieBackroadJunkie Posts: 3,745 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That is cool. I wonder what the coins look like if it's in real rubber.

    Are you going to return it? image
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    clarkbar04clarkbar04 Posts: 5,016 ✭✭✭✭✭
    VERY cool!
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    SkyManSkyMan Posts: 9,598 ✭✭✭✭✭
    VERY cool!

    I would certainly open it.
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    BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Best SLAB ever posted! image
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    TopographicOceansTopographicOceans Posts: 6,535 ✭✭✭✭
    You should return them image
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    Type2Type2 Posts: 13,985 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm going to call PCGS to see if they can do a special label for them, They are in the OGP and no i'm not sending them back. image


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    keyman64keyman64 Posts: 15,650 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Wow, that's pretty cool!
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    pcgs69pcgs69 Posts: 4,397 ✭✭✭✭
    never knew this... pretty damn cool
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    JedPlanchetJedPlanchet Posts: 909 ✭✭✭
    Interesting find - thanks for posting it. Hope you post the x-ray results too ...
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    jessewvujessewvu Posts: 5,083 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Isn't this still be considered government property? The military uses blood chits now.
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    WildIdeaWildIdea Posts: 1,881 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Seems to me they would make you an even more valuable target for the enemy. Killed even quicker. German accent more valuable.

    Cool piece though. Surprised it still exists at all.
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    sparky64sparky64 Posts: 7,063 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Über-cool.

    How do you open it. Cut it?

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    NumisOxideNumisOxide Posts: 11,043 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Pretty cool! Reminds me of something out of a spy movie.
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    mrdqmrdq Posts: 1,186 ✭✭✭
    that's very cool

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    PRECIOUSMENTALPRECIOUSMENTAL Posts: 961 ✭✭✭✭
    Reminds me of the movie 'Dr.Strangelove'.
    Slim Pickens is going through the survival kit, item by item...
    "A fella could have a hell of a good time in Vegas with this".
    Sorry for paraphrase, been a while since I watched that.
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    Type2Type2 Posts: 13,985 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Here are some of the others that can be found if you know what to look for.

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    drwstr123drwstr123 Posts: 7,053 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Über-cool.

    How do you open it. Cut it? >>



    From the second example, it's held together with rubber cement.
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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Very interesting...had read about these, but never saw one..... great pictures. Let us know what you find when you open/x-ray your item. Cheers, RickO
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    jmski52jmski52 Posts: 23,970 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yup, very cool. I've read about them too, and never have seen a pic until now!image
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    guitarwesguitarwes Posts: 9,308 ✭✭✭
    Cool stuff. Never knew these existed. I've heard of the blood chits before, but these are way cooler.

    An x-ray would only be beneficial to see if the coins and rings are still present within the sealed case. Of course, there is a SLIGHT possibility that you may could see some outline of the devices of the coins to differentiate between them.

    I could xray it for you if you don't have access to a machine and computed radiography.
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    WeissWeiss Posts: 9,942 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That is totally hardcore.
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    oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 13,111 ✭✭✭✭✭
    (keystrokes disguised as to not identify individual)

    How did you find this? How much did you pay for it? And more importantly, do you have the x-ray appartatus to "see inside"? (whispering)If not I do have access and could arrange an image.

    BTW - Thank you for bringing this item into the forum, it really is super cool! image
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    guitarwesguitarwes Posts: 9,308 ✭✭✭
    oih82w8, if your last question was directed at me, I'm an X-ray Technologist.
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    ashelandasheland Posts: 24,531 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Awesome stuff there!

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    WillieBoyd2WillieBoyd2 Posts: 5,399 ✭✭✭✭✭
    When I saw the title "Bought a pice of rubber last night", I wondered what a small Indian coin
    was doing in a US coins forum.

    This turned out to be an interesting piece of history.

    I had read that these items contained British gold Sovereigns but didn't know that they contained
    French gold Napoleons (20 Franc coins).

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    PurfrockPurfrock Posts: 545 ✭✭✭
    Very cool. Thank you for sharing.
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    oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 13,111 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>oih82w8, if your last question was directed at me, I'm an X-ray Technologist. >>



    Same here, except my subjects are a little denser than flesh and bone. image

    CR is pretty cool compared to wet processing.

    I did not see (earlier) your last line indicating so... image
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    BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>When I saw the title "Bought a pice of rubber last night", I wondered what a small Indian coin
    was doing in a US coins forum.

    This turned out to be an interesting piece of history.

    I had read that these items contained British gold Sovereigns but didn't know that they contained
    French gold Napoleons (20 Franc coins).

    image >>



    Opening this thread earlier I thought I'd find a ebonite or vulcanite hard rubber token image
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    OverdateOverdate Posts: 7,314 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Are there any stories of these kits being successfully used to escape from behind enemy lines? In some ways I think it might be riskier to be captured with valuable items than without them.

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    johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 33,053 ✭✭✭✭✭
    its different
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    DCWDCW Posts: 7,846 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Very cool post! I've never seen one of these in photos, but I've read about them being issued.
    Thanks for posting

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    mariner67mariner67 Posts: 2,746 ✭✭✭
    Agree, really cool.
    Thanks for sharing!
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    BackroadJunkieBackroadJunkie Posts: 3,745 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Stamped is `If Found Return to NavAirLant Conal 34 Norfolk Virginia and stamped 1152. image >>

    Is "1152" a unique number? Can you trace the history of who this was issued to? It would be amazing if you could trace it's lineage...
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    SeattleSlammerSeattleSlammer Posts: 10,125 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That's very cool. Thanks for sharing these pics.
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    BillJonesBillJones Posts: 35,850 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That is a very cool item. I'd love to own one of those because it has such a great story surrounding it. The closest thing I've seen to it was in the James Bond film, From Russia with Love, where Q supplies Bond with that briefcase that has a strip of British gold sovereigns in it. I remember as a teenager thinking about how cool it would be to own enough sovereigns to fill the strip!

    The brief case also had a nice hidden knife and smoke bomb that came in handy during the fight in the railroad car compartment toward end of the film.
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    CCC2010CCC2010 Posts: 1,997 ✭✭✭
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    CCC2010CCC2010 Posts: 1,997 ✭✭✭
    That is one historic piece of rubber. Thanks for sharing. image
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    DeliaBugDeliaBug Posts: 881 ✭
    Wow is that thing awesome!

    Congrats on the acquisition.
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    HydrantHydrant Posts: 7,773 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Very nice.

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