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Cherry-picks, sour grapes and board etiquette
mbogoman
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A few days ago, another board member posted a cherry pick I made on Ebay about a month ago. The thread became somewhat educational, showing some of the diagnostics and tips on detecting a dateless 1916 SLQ. The following day I acknowledged that it was I who made the score. Kudos and congrats followed. Yesterday afternoon I got a message from the Ebay seller asking about the coin (remember, this is one month after the sale). I replied to him: "I'm curious - why do you ask?" He replied back "I received a few emails asking if I knew it was a 1916...".
I can only assume it was someone(s) from this board who notified the seller. The timing is too coincidental. According to my understanding, this is a huge breach of board etiquette. Why does somebody do this? Sour grapes? Common sense and decency says you don't do this, there is nothing to gain and it just opens up a hornets nest. Now I've got an unhappy seller on my case.
Where to go from here? Well for starters, other than for Trade Dollars, which seem to have a more decent crowd, I won't be posting or acknowledging cherry-picks anymore. "You Sucks" aren't worth the aggravation of cases like the 1916 SLQ.
End of rant.
I can only assume it was someone(s) from this board who notified the seller. The timing is too coincidental. According to my understanding, this is a huge breach of board etiquette. Why does somebody do this? Sour grapes? Common sense and decency says you don't do this, there is nothing to gain and it just opens up a hornets nest. Now I've got an unhappy seller on my case.
Where to go from here? Well for starters, other than for Trade Dollars, which seem to have a more decent crowd, I won't be posting or acknowledging cherry-picks anymore. "You Sucks" aren't worth the aggravation of cases like the 1916 SLQ.
End of rant.
mbogoman
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just part of life
opinions are words spoken by those who have little or no clue on the issue in front them
likes do not pay bills, buyers do
Obviously, these loser emailers have no time and no 'coin wisdom' to hunt these bargains down on Ebay or anywhere else.
I'm not going to get involved into the 'rights or wrongs' of this purchase.
Personally, I'm totally fine with it.
Seller sells an item and buyer buys it........Case closed.
My congrats to the OP and a big thumbs down to those losers who emailed the original seller of this lot.
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and by the way nice pick up
opinions are words spoken by those who have little or no clue on the issue in front them
likes do not pay bills, buyers do
<< <i>another thing be very vague in where you got your cherry pick that way no issues >>
I did not post it. Another board member did along with the link to the Ebay transaction page. However, I did acknowledge it, which at that point was moot, since with the Ebay link posted anybody could contact the seller (and the seller can contact the buyer).
mbogoman
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Some here have way too much time on their hands.
Very UNCOOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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<< <i>That's really chicken chit. There's a real possibility a lurker who is not a forum member here tipped off the eBay seller. >>
I would put money on it that it IS a forum member.
Some here relish in sour grapes.
<< <i>mbogoman---I'm curious. Did he already leave you positive feedback? Did he request that you send the coin back or ask for more money? >>
Why would he have the authority or power to do either of those things? It's not like eBay would/could force a return.
So what now? The seller wants more compensation? What about the person he bought it from? Will he give that person
more, etc., etc. Just ridiculous. Enjoy your score. You earned it.
Keep posting, I appreciate it and if you have a link to your pickup I'd like to re read it
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<< <i>mbogoman---I'm curious. Did he already leave you positive feedback? Did he request that you send the coin back or ask for more money? >>
Why would he have the authority or power to do either of those things? It's not like eBay would/could force a return. >>
You are of course correct but it's not unusual for eBay sellers or buyers to make unreasonable requests. This can happen especially when a buyer has yet to leave feedback which he can use for leverage---"The coin is not as nice as your pic shows so let renegotiate the price." or "The slab has a scratch so send me back $10 so I can get it reslabbed."
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
<< <i>Lets all keep sharing our cherry pick scores....The majority of us get a thrill from the scores of others and it motivates us all to be better "pickers"....Dont let some D-BAGS discourage us from sharing. >>
No way. I no longer show my weekly cherry picks.
opinions are words spoken by those who have little or no clue on the issue in front them
likes do not pay bills, buyers do
<< <i>So what now? The seller wants more compensation? What about the person he bought it from? Will he give that person
more, etc., etc. Just ridiculous. Enjoy your score. You earned it. >>
There was a deal here a number of years back where eBay seller fairtraderz wanted more money from a buyer AFTER the auction was won.
<< <i>It's happened to me. Forum members contacting one of my sellers. Very unethical.
Some here have way too much time on their hands.
Very UNCOOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >>
Have not had it happen to me though I've seen it happen a couple of times over the past couple of years.
uncool indeed!!!
And just plain mean to the buyer and seller IMO!
Edited to add:
I know some forum members don't post NewP's that could he construed as RIPS anymore.
NADA..
Less sharing, less fun, less learning...
It's bad for the group because of some sour grapes, jealousy or moral high horse!
Happy, humble, honored and proud recipient of the “You Suck” award 10/22/2014
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<< <i>It's happened to me. Forum members contacting one of my sellers. Very unethical.
Some here have way too much time on their hands.
Very UNCOOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >>
Have not had it happen to me though I've seen it happen a couple of times over the past couple of years.
uncool indeed!!!
And just plain mean to the buyer and seller IMO! >>
Yes it is very mean to the seller.
As a buyer if you get it the meanness doesn't matter.
<< <i>I replied to him: "I'm curious - why do you ask?" He replied back "I received a few emails asking if I knew it was a 1916...".
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I'd be tempted to answer, I had no idea and I already sold that coin to someone else. Bad luck for both of us
There are many with too much time on their hands. I keep saying how happy I am that the panel of experts at eBay was finally abandoned. They were marking genuine coins as counterfeit left and right. Some of them are/were members here. Maybe they switched their downtime to notifying sellers when they got ripped!
Who cares if the seller knows? It is no different than selling a graded coin that someone gets upgraded and is worth a small fortune. That happens all the time.
Great job on spotting it!
I will only say that this place has "lurkers" who may be responsible for the e-mail.
You've done no wrong, I applaud your ability to see something others did not and benefit from it.
Not posting your cherry picks wouldn't have helped in this case. Even if you hadn't acknowledged it was you, someone else posted it on a public board here for the world to see, and any casual surfer or board member could have notified the seller, even if you kept quiet.
I for one would love to hear more cherry-picking stories from you and from others.
If a seller who hasn't shipped is notified, odds are the transaction will be cancelled.
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you didn't even make that thread in the 1st place...as if that matters anyways
i'm happy for ya...close to a "YOU SUCK" there
there was no foul there except for by whomever did email the seller (who got what he was after anyways a winning bid on his lot)
ya know the old saying...don't allow someone's action as such change you
dust and write it off
respectfully i'd understand if you allow that knucklehead to change your ways...they won't with me !!!!!!! (my mini rant over there
<<< i was very happy to see it was one of us here that cherry picked that
i even insured incase someone here wasn't aware of what i look for...i offered that up
truly though
this turn of events..."BITES"
mbogoman
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We have a rat.bottom line.who wants some cheese!
on that too and I got a fiery note from them and a demand I send back and cancel the auction
....But, that what ebay is for, cherry picking.
I ignored the seller and did not respond.
Felt the sabotage you felt as well.
bob
PS: I have had many cherries since and have not posted one....don't need the hassle.
<< <i>Remember that 1888-O Scarface I cherried off ebay a year and a half ago??? Yep, someone notified the seller
on that too and I got a fiery note from them and a demand I send back and cancel the auction
....But, that what ebay is for, cherry picking. >>
Shame on the seller. The only message that you should have gotten was congratulations, if any at all.
It was an open market transaction on the largest e-marketplace that exists...
<< <i>Emailing sellers is a total lack of class and shows their true jealousy.
Obviously, these loser emailers have no time and no 'coin wisdom' to hunt these bargains down on Ebay or anywhere else.
I'm not going to get involved into the 'rights or wrongs' of this purchase.
Personally, I'm totally fine with it.
Seller sells an item and buyer buys it........Case closed.
My congrats to the OP and a big thumbs down to those losers who emailed the original seller of this lot. >>
You thought you saw something, you took a chance, you look to have scored.
Some busybody here decided they were bored with life and wanted to stir the pot....asking the seller if they knew what they had. Duh. If he let it go like he did, of course he didn't know.
I am all for fairness, etc etc etc. In this case, fairness is that something was sold like it was, a chance was taken (using knowledge), and payment was rendered and coin received.
If it had been a dated coin where all the lot was all listed with a different date, then maybe there could have been an honest mistake on the seller's part. In this case, it was sold as it was, knowingly.
Would be interest to know who those interfering actually were in this case. We won't hear from them directly on that as they are obviously cowards.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
to recognize it. Most likely destroyed. Now it will be protectively encased and graded
and added to the coin's numbers. Congratulations, you have preserved a piece of
history and should be rewarded. Do not allow one or two selfish and jealous priks to
ruin your numismatic enjoyments. Thanks for sharing.
Jim
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Second.....what a POS D-BAG you are to whomever sent the email to the seller!
<< <i>First...... I want to say congrats to the OP. Good job....that's what it's all about.
Second.....what a POS D-BAG you are to whomever sent the email to the seller! >>
I am in total agreement with Dimeman.
Whoever did this is a loser but I am sure they fail to recognize themselves as such.
I don't post cherrypicks, upgrades or grading scores because of stuff like this.
If I was in your position, I'd offer the seller a chunk of the profit from the eventual sale of the coin in exchange for the usernames of the people who emailed him... Even if I wasn't going to share them publicly, just so I would know. Karma hopefully will catch up to them.
Congrats on the pick though! Knowledge is power.
<< <i>Thats just lame.
I don't post cherrypicks, upgrades or grading scores because of stuff like this.
If I was in your position, I'd offer the seller a chunk of the profit from the eventual sale of the coin in exchange for the usernames of the people who emailed him... Even if I wasn't going to share them publicly, just so I would know. Karma hopefully will catch up to them.
Congrats on the pick though! Knowledge is power. >>
Hey, not a bad idea!
Usually the scu**ag is the under bidder who just lost out on a score but I think with this auction (the link has been edited out) the OP was the only bidder, so it makes perfect sense the scu**ag is on this site.
Wouldn't it be wonderful to know who did this?
"“Those who sacrifice liberty for security/safety deserve neither.“(Benjamin Franklin)
"I only golf on days that end in 'Y'" (DE59)
<< <i>A few days ago, another board member posted a cherry pick I made on Ebay about a month ago. The thread became somewhat educational, showing some of the diagnostics and tips on detecting a dateless 1916 SLQ. The following day I acknowledged that it was I who made the score. Kudos and congrats followed. Yesterday afternoon I got a message from the Ebay seller asking about the coin (remember, this is one month after the sale). I replied to him: "I'm curious - why do you ask?" He replied back "I received a few emails asking if I knew it was a 1916...".
I can only assume it was someone(s) from this board who notified the seller. The timing is too coincidental. According to my understanding, this is a huge breach of board etiquette. Why does somebody do this? Sour grapes? Common sense and decency says you don't do this, there is nothing to gain and it just opens up a hornets nest. Now I've got an unhappy seller on my case.
Where to go from here? Well for starters, other than for Trade Dollars, which seem to have a more decent crowd, I won't be posting or acknowledging cherry-picks anymore. "You Sucks" aren't worth the aggravation of cases like the 1916 SLQ.
End of rant. >>
Who knows why some of the folks that post or lurk here act like idiots?
But then, maybe it was a kid since there are quite a few of them posting and lurking here as it sounds like something a kid would do.
The name is LEE!
<< <i>Of course it was someone here.
You thought you saw something, you took a chance, you look to have scored.
Some busybody here decided they were bored with life and wanted to stir the pot....asking the seller if they knew what they had. Duh. If he let it go like he did, of course he didn't know.
I am all for fairness, etc etc etc. In this case, fairness is that something was sold like it was, a chance was taken (using knowledge), and payment was rendered and coin received.
If it had been a dated coin where all the lot was all listed with a different date, then maybe there could have been an honest mistake on the seller's part. In this case, it was sold as it was, knowingly.
Would be interest to know who those interfering actually were in this case. We won't hear from them directly on that as they are obviously cowards. >>
I wonder what they [the interferer] hoped to gain after this amount of time.
<< <i>Seller sells an item and buyer buys it........Case closed. >>
THIS
Steve
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<< <i>Thats just lame.
I don't post cherrypicks, upgrades or grading scores because of stuff like this.
If I was in your position, I'd offer the seller a chunk of the profit from the eventual sale of the coin in exchange for the usernames of the people who emailed him... Even if I wasn't going to share them publicly, just so I would know. Karma hopefully will catch up to them.
Congrats on the pick though! Knowledge is power. >>
Hey, not a bad idea!
Usually the scu**ag is the under bidder who just lost out on a score but I think with this auction (the link has been edited out) the OP was the only bidder, so it makes perfect sense the scu**ag is on this site.
Wouldn't it be wonderful to know who did this? >>
I would also like to know who this scumbag is but there is a good chance it's someone I don't know.
(P.S. Google "scumbag" to see the original meaning of the word.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire