Coin was not dipped, just different lighting. I use a white light, so that it shows everything. No beauty shots here. I can't blast the coin with white light inside the slab, otherwise I would! These dark, turn the coin at the right angle, under tungsten filtered light, like the ones these jokers are used to seeing???? They would be calling this MS-65.
Bottom line, some people just can't be wrong. This coin was locked away longer than these fools have been alive!
I finally got around to sending this in. Outside of Dogwood, I wouldn't think about quitting your day jobs!
Seriously, your pictures look like a cleaned AU. People responded accordingly. Congrats on the straight grade. I have had similar instances where my pics don't do the coin justice and then it straight grades and that is that.
Originally posted by: amwldcoin Wabbit! Take it from a Barbernut...yes that is my registry set handle. Your coin is very unsettling for us registry set holders as it is an outlier that pulls down the value that many of us have paid BIG BUCKS FOR!! Your coin truly sucks and is a coin that should be in a details cleaned holder. I will fight you to my grave based on the pictures you have given.
If the coin truly sucks and is an outlier, then it should have a minimal impact on the value of non-sucky coins.
"If the coin truly sucks and is an outlier, then it should have a minimal impact on the value of non-sucky coins."
This is not necessarily true: I had bought a huge mid 6 figure collection late last year from a old friend. Lots of marginal coins, decent coins and even down right nice coins. He did not have an eye for what was great, but lucked out and got a few. Let me just say that when I took them around to several dealers at the Baltimore show. Most dealers simply just went to the CCE/coinfacts and priced the coins based off recent auction records. They deducted a lot for the marginal, but didnt add much for the PQ pieces. They simply kept stating that recent auction records are showing x. This is where the problem lies, if recent auction records are showing subpar coins, then that's what several are trying to buy your nice coins based on.
Not to get into my personal business, I just recently needed to liquidate a coin or two from my personal collection (and trust me they are top end) yet some of the dealers I showed them too wanted to go straight to the same pricing structure and buy my coins based off latest pricing history with those being subpar to marginal. lets just say I refused and went a different route...........
I'm with the "herd" on this one, particularly TomB. Looking at both versions of the coin, looks like it had a few too many baths. May not have been scrubbed, but the surfaces appear rather lifeless.
Just my opinion, but the raw images look like a polished, worked no grade that I would never even submit.
However, the holder images just look more like a washy, "dippy" coin that grades as often as it doesn't. Also looks net graded a bit from an AU down to 45 for the surfaces.
I'm not saying I like the coin, or the look in either image, one makes it look like a blatant no grade and one looks like plenty of washy coins that holder.
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I am not a hater, but it looks like you were just ready to blast people for honest opinions. You could put 6 of these side by side with the exact same grade and the exact same look and I'd give the same opinion. Still I'm not criticizing anyone that likes that look...collect what YOU like. I have two coins in my Barber set that look like that, and I've never bothered to upgrade them. QDB has said that 90% (I think) of straight grade slabbed MS Red IHCs that he has seen have been messed with, I'd take his opinion over 300 graders and 100 finalizers.
No reason to fight me, 3 professional graders and a finalizer gave it the grade. It is never fun to be dead wrong and I feel for you and your herd mentality. I simply can't be offended, but these comments are certainly entertaining!
That is true. Now crack it out and resubmit it again and see if another set of 3 graders and finalizer will agree with the first group. That was just 1 grading event. I was perusing various circ seated coin auctions the past few weeks and was quite surprised at the number of more than "lightly" cleaned coins, especially better dates, that are in "graded" holders.
And do recall I was quite optimistic on your 1837 MS66+ half dime when you showed it here suggesting it was a no brainer MS67, if not even better. Like most everyone here, we just call them as we see them.
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Bottom line, some people just can't be wrong. This coin was locked away longer than these fools have been alive!
I finally got around to sending this in. Outside of Dogwood, I wouldn't think about quitting your day jobs!
Seriously, your pictures look like a cleaned AU. People responded accordingly. Congrats on the straight grade. I have had similar instances where my pics don't do the coin justice and then it straight grades and that is that.
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Congrats on the grade Wabbit...now send that baby to CAC and if she stickers then crow for everybody
If that coin stickers the entire paradigm needs to be reevaluated.
Latin American Collection
Congrats on the grade Wabbit...now send that baby to CAC and if she stickers then crow for everybody
I think I will! Then I can deal with the CAC haters. Should be fun!
Congrats on the grade Wabbit...now send that baby to CAC and if she stickers then crow for everybody
If that coin stickers the entire paradigm needs to be reevaluated.
It wasn't in a fake PCI holder so I have an outside shot!
Wabbit! Take it from a Barbernut...yes that is my registry set handle. Your coin is very unsettling for us registry set holders as it is an outlier that pulls down the value that many of us have paid BIG BUCKS FOR!! Your coin truly sucks and is a coin that should be in a details cleaned holder. I will fight you to my grave based on the pictures you have given.
If the coin truly sucks and is an outlier, then it should have a minimal impact on the value of non-sucky coins.
This is not necessarily true: I had bought a huge mid 6 figure collection late last year from a old friend. Lots of marginal coins, decent coins and even down right nice coins. He did not have an eye for what was great, but lucked out and got a few. Let me just say that when I took them around to several dealers at the Baltimore show. Most dealers simply just went to the CCE/coinfacts and priced the coins based off recent auction records. They deducted a lot for the marginal, but didnt add much for the PQ pieces. They simply kept stating that recent auction records are showing x. This is where the problem lies, if recent auction records are showing subpar coins, then that's what several are trying to buy your nice coins based on.
Not to get into my personal business, I just recently needed to liquidate a coin or two from my personal collection (and trust me they are top end) yet some of the dealers I showed them too wanted to go straight to the same pricing structure and buy my coins based off latest pricing history with those being subpar to marginal. lets just say I refused and went a different route...........
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However, the holder images just look more like a washy, "dippy" coin that grades as often as it doesn't. Also looks net graded a bit from an AU down to 45 for the surfaces.
I'm not saying I like the coin, or the look in either image, one makes it look like a blatant no grade and one looks like plenty of washy coins that holder.
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I don't see how this coin would have avoided a body bag in the earlier years of PCGS and NGC.
The coin is AU55-58 in terms of wear but got holdered as an XF 45 because it's "market acceptable"? This is not "market acceptable" to many buyers.
Anyone who throws out a zinger gets whacked right back. Just like the old days baby!
That is true. Now crack it out and resubmit it again and see if another set of 3 graders and finalizer will agree with the first group. That was just 1 grading event. I was perusing various circ seated coin auctions the past few weeks and was quite surprised at the number of more than "lightly" cleaned coins, especially better dates, that are in "graded" holders.
And do recall I was quite optimistic on your 1837 MS66+ half dime when you showed it here suggesting it was a no brainer MS67, if not even better. Like most everyone here, we just call them as we see them.