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(UPDATED WITH GRADE) Please assist in grading this 1901-S Barber Half

Wabbit2313Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭
I finally got around to sending this in. Outside of Dogwood, I wouldn't think about quitting your day jobs! image


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  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,770 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I doubt I should be the first person responding to this one...

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  • jdimmickjdimmick Posts: 9,756 ✭✭✭✭✭
    cleaned XF+
  • winkywinky Posts: 1,671
    As soon as the photo came up I knew it was cleaned. What a shame.
  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,594 ✭✭✭✭✭
    XF45 details, harshly cleaned.
    All glory is fleeting.
  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,627 ✭✭✭✭✭
    AU55 details, cleaned or possibly lightly whizzed, from the photos provided.
    But a tough coin, so it has that going for it.



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  • BustHalfBrianBustHalfBrian Posts: 4,190 ✭✭✭✭
    Details look low AU but the coin has been harshly cleaned.
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  • jcpingjcping Posts: 2,649 ✭✭✭
    Cleaned and AU detail image
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  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Cleaned and AU detail image >>



    +1 image
  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭
    ARGH!!! What a shame!
  • StuartStuart Posts: 9,793 ✭✭✭✭✭
    XF Details -- Harshly Abrasively Cleaned

    Stuart

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  • AblinkyAblinky Posts: 628 ✭✭✭
    XF Details cleaned

    Andrew Blinkiewicz-Heritage

  • dogwooddogwood Posts: 1,935 ✭✭✭✭
    You know what? I'll be a contrarian and say that I'm not convinced it's been harshly cleaned or whizzed.
    I see surfaces with all the random wear that you'd expect from an XF 45 coin. And I don't see any hairlines from abrasion.
    Show me a diffently lighted image that's not blazed out in flash and I'll make an opinion.
    We're all born MS70. I'm about a Fine 15 right now.
  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>You know what? I'll be a contrarian and say that I'm not convinced it's been harshly cleaned or whizzed.
    I see surfaces with all the random wear that you'd expect from an XF 45 coin. And I don't see any hairlines from abrasion.
    Show me a diffently lighted image that's not blazed out in flash and I'll make an opinion. >>



    The cheek is the tell tale to me. Looks like a baking soda job. Don't think a different picture would change my opinion. Definitely not whizzed in my opinion. Wish you guys would sell me some coins with details like this at XF money! image
  • TomBTomB Posts: 21,987 ✭✭✭✭✭
    OUCH!!!
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  • DennisHDennisH Posts: 14,010 ✭✭✭✭✭
    AU cleaned.
    When in doubt, don't.
  • BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 12,370 ✭✭✭✭✭
  • segojasegoja Posts: 6,141 ✭✭✭✭
    What everyone else said...what a shame
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  • BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 12,370 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Im curious what the OP thought the responses would be on this coin
  • ARCOARCO Posts: 4,428 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Definitely an AU detail coin. Cleaned, and looks to have about AU50 details. Key date Barbers almost always seemed to be problematic or cleaned in the AU range. Sucks.

    Tyler
  • goldengolden Posts: 9,972 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>XF Details -- Harshly Abrasively Cleaned >>



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  • Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 8,720 ✭✭✭✭✭
    AU50 Cleaned - Lustrous with very clean surfaces, no major marks. Difficult to find coin in high circulated grade. Appears mint state at first glance. Priced at $650, a super addition for your Barber Album or Barber Type Set. Super deal on this one, CW Trends for AU50 is $1000. Buying from us saves you money plus you get free shipping on orders over $500! Excellent value, trends $13500 in MS65.

    A great deal for the guy looking for an AU coin to fill that hole in his album. Price would be in $650 range. If severe cleaning marks probably less.
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  • MFHMFH Posts: 11,720 ✭✭✭✭

    Coin looks too glossy...coin is AU 53 details ( IMHO )
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  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,313 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Baking Soda X2.
    Barbarous Relic No More, LSCC -GoldSeek--shadow stats--SafeHaven--321gold
  • TopographicOceansTopographicOceans Posts: 6,535 ✭✭✭✭
    XF Details - Cleaned
  • Wabbit2313Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Grade in original post.
  • shorecollshorecoll Posts: 5,447 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Doesn't mean it wasn't cleaned, just that they make exceptions for scarcer dates.

    It looks cleaned from the images, I agree that's not the same as in hand.

    I think they slab lots of cleaned coins...just not mine image
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  • Wabbit2313Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: shorecoll
    Doesn't mean it wasn't cleaned, just that they make exceptions for scarcer dates.

    It looks cleaned from the images, I agree that's not the same as in hand.

    I think they slab lots of cleaned coins...just not mine image


    It means it wasn't cleaned to me, and................oh ya, PCGS. I'll take their opinion all the way to the bank, thank you!

  • sparky64sparky64 Posts: 7,041 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Congratulations!

    I like the slab pic

    Looks to be a high end 45 to me although it's not my series.

    Plenty of detail and some luster as well.

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  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This coin is a prime example of why you see one sell for a grand and another sell for 2 grand! That coin would never have a home in my collection!
  • originalisbestoriginalisbest Posts: 5,971 ✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: Wabbit2313
    Originally posted by: shorecoll
    Doesn't mean it wasn't cleaned, just that they make exceptions for scarcer dates.

    It looks cleaned from the images, I agree that's not the same as in hand.

    I think they slab lots of cleaned coins...just not mine image


    It means it wasn't cleaned to me, and................oh ya, PCGS. I'll take their opinion all the way to the bank, thank you!



    LOL -- look up the term "market acceptable."
  • jdimmickjdimmick Posts: 9,756 ✭✭✭✭✭
    consider this a gift from the PCGS gods
  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I wish I would get breaks like that.
  • TomBTomB Posts: 21,987 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It may have received a clean EF45 grade, but I firmly stand by my initial response of "OUCH!!!". That thing is toasted.
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    In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson

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  • Wabbit2313Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭
    You haters need to spend a little time browsing Heritage and XF coins. There are supposed to be marks and lines on them.

    I personally wouldn't feel foolish following the herd like everyone did, so relax. It's when you still follow the herd, once proven wrong, where I would draw the line.


    3 graders and a finalizer, with the coin in hand, works for me. Time to own up. If a blind man leads a blind man, they will both fall into the pit! image
  • TomBTomB Posts: 21,987 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I never wrote that it was cleaned, but it was certainly dipped and looks dipped out. That is what "OUCH!!!" is for. That makes me a hater for this coin, as I think it is an example of what folks should not buy if their goal is to avoid dipped coinage.
    Thomas Bush Numismatics & Numismatic Photography

    In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson

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  • Wabbit2313Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: TomB
    I never wrote that it was cleaned, but it was certainly dipped and looks dipped out. That is what "OUCH!!!" is for. That makes me a hater for this coin, as I think it is an example of what folks should not buy if their goal is to avoid dipped coinage.


    If it was dipped, it was dipped in the 1950's or prior. I 100% know this was put away then, and did not see the light of day until I took a shot of it. Blame my photo skills and the white light I use before the professionals at PCGS.

  • jdimmickjdimmick Posts: 9,756 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I don't wish to talk about any ones coins, but when coins are put on the forum for opinions, I figure the Op wants honest opinions:


    the coin flat sucks, should not have been holdered, I guess PCGS figured it was market acceptable, and yes, I see them in auctions all the time, but personally would not want to own it. This is a coin I would want to get rid of fast.

    I'm similar to TOM B and some of the other great eyes on here, I know a nice coin when I see it and un fortunately, this isn't it.

    I get them too in collections, and they have to go somewhere.

  • braddickbraddick Posts: 24,629 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I like it. Lots of detail for an XF grade.

    Neat coin!

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  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,770 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Well, seems I should just not respond at all... And yes, I have every intention of keeping my day job.

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  • Wabbit2313Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: coinkat
    Well, seems I should just not respond at all... And yes, I have every intention of keeping my day job.



    image Especially in light of your original comment.

  • Wabbit2313Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: jdimmick
    I don't wish to talk about any ones coins, but when coins are put on the forum for opinions, I figure the Op wants honest opinions:


    the coin flat sucks, should not have been holdered, I guess PCGS figured it was market acceptable, and yes, I see them in auctions all the time, but personally would not want to own it. This is a coin I would want to get rid of fast.

    I'm similar to TOM B and some of the other great eyes on here, I know a nice coin when I see it and un fortunately, this isn't it.

    I get them too in collections, and they have to go somewhere.



    I love honest opinions, and anyone who has been here knows I give them.

    Now, you are welcome to keep giving your opinion as long as you don't change anything. If you hate a coin, I am going to send it in for grading so fast my own head will spin! If you really hate it, I will be looking for top pop.
  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Wabbit! Take it from a Barbernut...yes that is my registry set handle. Your coin is very unsettling for us registry set holders as it is an outlier that pulls down the value that many of us have paid BIG BUCKS FOR!! Your coin truly sucks and is a coin that should be in a details cleaned holder. I will fight you to my grave based on the pictures you have given.
  • ConnecticoinConnecticoin Posts: 13,094 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: amwldcoin
    Wabbit! Take it from a Barbernut...yes that is my registry set handle. Your coin is very unsettling for us registry set holders as it is an outlier that pulls down the value that many of us have paid BIG BUCKS FOR!! Your coin truly sucks and is a coin that should be in a details cleaned holder. I will fight you to my grave based on the pictures you have given.


    Ouch!

    But, based on those pictures, I too am surprised it got in a holder. I guess a severely overdipped coin can get holdered if there are not too many hairlines.

  • Wabbit2313Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: amwldcoin
    Wabbit! Take it from a Barbernut...yes that is my registry set handle. Your coin is very unsettling for us registry set holders as it is an outlier that pulls down the value that many of us have paid BIG BUCKS FOR!! Your coin truly sucks and is a coin that should be in a details cleaned holder. I will fight you to my grave based on the pictures you have given.



    No reason to fight me, 3 professional graders and a finalizer gave it the grade. It is never fun to be dead wrong and I feel for you and your herd mentality. I simply can't be offended, but these comments are certainly entertaining!
  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,770 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: Wabbit2313
    Originally posted by: coinkat
    Well, seems I should just not respond at all... And yes, I have every intention of keeping my day job.



    image Especially in light of your original comment.



    Really...

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  • CoinRaritiesOnlineCoinRaritiesOnline Posts: 3,680 ✭✭✭✭
    I missed this thread the first time, but based on the original photos I'd have said 100% no grade. I guess it must look better in hand.
  • TommyTypeTommyType Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Let's be honest here...



    Assuming the 2nd picture above was the original "evaluation" photo, it seems that the problem isn't necessarily the coin....IT WAS THE PICTURE!!



    It does look horrid/worked/cleaned/whatever in that picture.



    Now, the picture in the slab shows a much more acceptable coin. Maybe not acceptable to everyone....but much more natural in appearance.
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  • LogPotatoLogPotato Posts: 2,177 ✭✭✭✭
    Unfortunately, I missed the original thread. The unslabbed pics give a washed out cleaned appearance. I can see where some came to that conclusion. The obverse slab pic gives a little bit better appearance on the surfaces. One question I have, was it dipped before grading or sent for conservation? There is a carbon spot in the before pictures that is not in the slab picture.



    Regardless, this coin lacks any indication that it was circulated for an XF coin. It's been messed with. Either dipped or other. I have been carrying two unc silver coins for a year that have more dirt than this coin. Maybe I have dirty pockets.
  • david3142david3142 Posts: 3,583 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Can't we all just get along? The coin can be both cleaned and market acceptable. I primarily collect Morgans and almost every XF45-AU58 coin I see has been cleaned, and sometimes harshly. I have to look very hard for coins in that range which are acceptable for my collection.
  • halfhunterhalfhunter Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭
    The coin looks like it has been dipped/conserved (again?) between the raw photo and the slab pic.

    Super clean XF now . . .



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    1947-P & D; 1948-D; 1949-P & S; 1950-D & S; and 1952-S.
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