<< <i>save your money it's just a ms62. pcgs graders are tough on 1914 buff's. >>
I agree with this, unless you think you can pull a proof. you will be into it for stong 64 money after grading, and betting on a three point swing is going against the odds. It is a very pretty piece, and I stand by my statement that it was the best looking on eBay at that time, but I have to assume the graders saw something. I've been meaning to start a thread asking about 62s that turned out phenomenally well, but I supect that thread would die quickly.
Just got back from my yearly family reunion and then went to my post office to get the coin. All I can says is that it looks even better in person. It sure does look like a proof, even the rims are squared all around and there is no rounding or beveling. Out of the slab this would probably fool most collectors as to its proof status. I think more would say proof than not. i think I will just crack it out and try to get the proof designation, it appears that "close". I do not think I will mess with the acetone. It looks great the way it is. At least a full "matte prooflike'! It is what it is. If pcgs says mint state again, then I guess I could send it ATS.
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See my post early in the thread! OMG!!! This is EXACTLY why I said what I did.
At the same time, I am sorry that my post is a good example of the trouble with Buffalos. I would certainly enjoy the series a whole lot more if things weren't this way.
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it's only a belief of mine...surely very close to what goes on too
if this coin was struck from matte proof dies these dies did not produce high luster surfaces as the die's finish was pickled or fine bead-blasted so as not to produce a frosty luster
if graders don't see blooming luster or frost and it's not a proof they just default grade most always at 64 or below
<<< no buffalo nickel expert by any means it's just personal observation
surely some of what i wrote there...does apply
so if this is...not a proof it was struck from discarded proof dies and blessed with a curse of no blooming luster or frost from it's birth
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Graders do not take kindly to dipping or other methods on nickels or pennies. This coin has a really unnatural color. I think it received the mercy grade of 62. Without any issues, I would think it goes higher.
As far as a proof, I doubt 3 graders all missed it but it might be possible.
Finally, the guy selling it was talking up how under-graded it was and it looks like a proof, blah blah blah. Why didn't he send it back in himself, or did he???
<< <i>Graders do not take kindly to dipping or other methods on nickels or pennies. This coin has a really unnatural color. I think it received the mercy grade of 62. Without any issues, I would think it goes higher.
As far as a proof, I doubt 3 graders all missed it but it might be possible.
Finally, the guy selling it was talking up how under-graded it was and it looks like a proof, blah blah blah. Why didn't he send it back in himself, or did he???
that guy selling it... that's "crazyhounddog" on the forums here when he talks buffalo nickels...i listen and am not alone he's one i call a buddy here
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As former president George H W Bush once said, "If it looks like a tax cut, walks like a tax cut, and quacks like a tax cut, it is a tax cut.". This coin looks like a matte proof, walks like a matte proof, and quacks like one, so it should be called MATTE PROOFLIKE. I bet the former owner did send this coin back to pcgs and got the same results.
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It doesn't look proof to me, plus what's making everyone go nuts about this coin is a) angle of lighting, and b) brightness level of the lighting/contrast. I suspect in hand many would see the coin closer to the TPG assigned grade (maybe a point higher)...certainly not proof
PS. I believe this because I can take a pic of an AU50 buffalo and make it look like a 62-63 with lights at the right angle and the right level of brightness/contrast. So in that logic a 62 can look 65+ and/or proof.
Looks very prooflike to me. Rims look like they are very squared, and it has that textured look to the surfaces. Very slight weakness in the central obverse, but I wouldn't count it out as a proof.
to buffnutt -- in hand it sure does look like a matte proof. as to the numbers grade it should go 64. It is hard to grade a coin from a photo I must admit after having read thru all the posts to this thread here. still I think should at least be called a matte profile.
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Beautiful Buff!!!!!! I'm glad you won this one. To me, it looks pretty freaking far from a 62. The rims are square inside and out. That alone says proof strike to me. The fact is, many 1914 business strikes were struck with proof dies just like the 13 type 1 and the 1915's. It's for sure a tough call. Please do let us know how it comes out.
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i like this 62 better then the 64 you posted there crazyhounddog i still stick with 64 being tops one could expect as graders are tough going above 64 on these early proof-type buff's
as much as we see proofs sitting in ms holders could ms examples be sitting in proof holders
it's sad in a way if this coin lands in a proof holder as an injustice was delivered to original submitter if that becomes the case
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Even if it is a 64, you can buy 64's all day and night long on eBay for less than $150. Some for less than $125. This coin sold for $107 with shipping. Is it worth re-sending in? Not to me.
coins like this and threads like this are what me sound like a broken record --- you can't reliably and consistently grade coins from pictures. someone else in another thread stated clearly that doing so is judging a two dimensional image vs. the in hand three dimensional coin that the graders look at. they err but are more often correct. they probably saw things which are obscured or minimized in the pictures, things like the faint scratch on the cheek and what might be high point rub on the reverse. if the coin looks like a 64-65-66 in hand but has deficiencies that a specialist like the OP can see then it is probably a good coin to keep as is.
finding nice coins either raw or encapsulated is nice. I would rather have an MS62 such as this than the same coin maxed out in an MS64 holder. given the price the OP paid for the 62 and where he'd be with a resubmission at 64, which example do you think would give him a better return if he chose to sell?? some of you guys need to start thinking more rationally and slow down on the choice to crack or slab everything in sight. it gets to a point where it is counter-productive and just plain silly. it is, of course, your choice to make.
sometimes the graders are wrong and sometimes they see what we do not, or even don't see what we see. Here is am MS62 PCGS 1914 Buffalo a dealer currently has for sale. Go figure. Jim
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<< <i>save your money it's just a ms62. pcgs graders are tough on 1914 buff's. >>
I agree with this, unless you think you can pull a proof. you will be into it for stong 64 money after grading, and betting on a three point swing is going against the odds. It is a very pretty piece, and I stand by my statement that it was the best looking on eBay at that time, but I have to assume the graders saw something. I've been meaning to start a thread asking about 62s that turned out phenomenally well, but I supect that thread would die quickly.
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Out of the slab this would probably fool most collectors as to its proof status. I think more would say proof than not. i think I will just crack it out and try to get the proof designation, it appears that "close". I do not think I will mess with the acetone.
It looks great the way it is. At least a full "matte prooflike'! It is what it is. If pcgs says mint state again, then I guess I could send it ATS.
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At the same time, I am sorry that my post is a good example of the trouble with Buffalos.
I would certainly enjoy the series a whole lot more if things weren't this way.
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Perhaps some buff Nickel experts can explain our vision........
if this coin was struck from matte proof dies
these dies did not produce high luster surfaces
as the die's finish was pickled or fine bead-blasted so as not to produce a frosty luster
if graders don't see blooming luster or frost and it's not a proof
they just default grade most always at 64 or below
<<< no buffalo nickel expert by any means
it's just personal observation
surely some of what i wrote there...does apply
so if this is...not a proof
it was struck from discarded proof dies and blessed with a curse of no blooming luster or frost from it's birth
Graders do not take kindly to dipping or other methods on nickels or pennies. This coin has a really unnatural color. I think it received the mercy grade of 62. Without any issues, I would think it goes higher.
As far as a proof, I doubt 3 graders all missed it but it might be possible.
Finally, the guy selling it was talking up how under-graded it was and it looks like a proof, blah blah blah. Why didn't he send it back in himself, or did he???
Coin on eBay:
<< <i>Graders do not take kindly to dipping or other methods on nickels or pennies. This coin has a really unnatural color. I think it received the mercy grade of 62. Without any issues, I would think it goes higher.
As far as a proof, I doubt 3 graders all missed it but it might be possible.
Finally, the guy selling it was talking up how under-graded it was and it looks like a proof, blah blah blah. Why didn't he send it back in himself, or did he???
Coin on eBay: >>
that guy selling it...
that's "crazyhounddog" on the forums here
when he talks buffalo nickels...i listen and am not alone
he's one i call a buddy here
<< <i>that's "crazyhounddog" on the forums here
when he talks buffalo nickels...i listen and am not alone >>
Then it is even more surprising he did not send it back in himself.
This coin looks like a matte proof, walks like a matte proof, and quacks like one, so it should be called MATTE PROOFLIKE.
I bet the former owner did send this coin back to pcgs and got the same results.
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PS. I believe this because I can take a pic of an AU50 buffalo and make it look like a 62-63 with lights at the right angle and the right level of brightness/contrast. So in that logic a 62 can look 65+ and/or proof.
My opinion is it is worth a second look
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in hand it sure does look like a matte proof. as to the numbers grade it should go 64. It is hard to grade a coin from a photo I must admit after having read thru all the posts to this thread here.
still I think should at least be called a matte profile.
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1) pcgs ms-62 the one Buffnexx just purchased...
2) pcgs ms-63
3) pcgs ms-64
i still stick with 64 being tops one could expect as graders are tough going above 64 on these early proof-type buff's
as much as we see proofs sitting in ms holders
could ms examples be sitting in proof holders
it's sad in a way if this coin lands in a proof holder
as an injustice was delivered to original submitter if that becomes the case
I wish these were manhole cover size. I'm still looking for more marks on that 2
Even if it is a 64, you can buy 64's all day and night long on eBay for less than $150. Some for less than $125. This coin sold for $107 with shipping. Is it worth re-sending in? Not to me.
finding nice coins either raw or encapsulated is nice. I would rather have an MS62 such as this than the same coin maxed out in an MS64 holder. given the price the OP paid for the 62 and where he'd be with a resubmission at 64, which example do you think would give him a better return if he chose to sell?? some of you guys need to start thinking more rationally and slow down on the choice to crack or slab everything in sight. it gets to a point where it is counter-productive and just plain silly. it is, of course, your choice to make.
we do not, or even don't see what we see.
Here is am MS62 PCGS 1914 Buffalo a dealer currently
has for sale. Go figure.
Jim
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