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1881-S Morgan Dollar - Grade Opinions

KyleKyle Posts: 1,822 ✭✭✭✭✭
Purchased this recently for a great price. It has very ugly toning, but great luster and very few contact marks.

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  • fivecentsfivecents Posts: 11,207 ✭✭✭✭✭
    MS64
  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,162 ✭✭✭✭✭
  • MS65. A quick dip could help that one.
  • DennisHDennisH Posts: 13,995 ✭✭✭✭✭
    64
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  • jtlee321jtlee321 Posts: 2,364 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I could easily see a 65 on that if not 66. I actually kind of like the toning I see, I know it's not the most attractive, but I like it.
  • BIGAL2749BIGAL2749 Posts: 742 ✭✭✭✭
    Looks all of 65 but don't know if toning obscures the luster, but not something I would ever dip. Better left original and a darkly toned coin such as this may not dip very well without leaving blotchy patches.

    Also if it has good luster under the toning as you said and can be seen somewhat on the reverse, you may have a desirable deeply toned near 66
  • BustHalfBrianBustHalfBrian Posts: 4,179 ✭✭✭✭
    The surfaces look very clean, that is if you were to strip it of the toning. Otherwise it is a very dirty coin. image

    I don't like the toning at all. It's dark enough to warrant an Env. Damage designation at PCGS, IMO. But if the toning were removed properly, it looks like it could be 'gem' quality.
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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,133 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This is an example of natual toning that many collectors find to be unattractive. The trouble with dipping this piece is that you will probably lose a fair amount of luster in the process. After it's been done you might end up with a dullish, smooth surfaced coin that might be called MS-63 or even 62 because of luster concerns. My advice would be to leave it alone, and although a well done, somewhat lucky dip might increase the value.
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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That is a very nice coin under the tarnish... I would say a 65.... dipping can be dangerous, so if you choose that route, consult an expert who can view it in hand.... Cheers, RickO
  • StuartStuart Posts: 9,761 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The coin appears to be an MS-65 if it certifies.

    Other then the toning, my only concern is that there appears to be a dull lackluster area to the left of Miss Liberty's face and on her cheek, extending from her hairline down to the left of the date. This could indicate that someone worked the coin trying to cover up or remove the remnants of at least 2 fingerprints under Miss Liberty's jaw and on her cheek.

    Upon closer examination in hand, a top tier TPGS might reject the coin if it appears to have been improperly cleaned or for potential environmental damage due to this.

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  • jcpingjcping Posts: 2,649 ✭✭✭
    Look 65 to me image
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  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,403 ✭✭✭✭✭
    AU58. There appears to be rub on the high points.
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  • Wabbit2313Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Please blast it with bright light so I can see what it looks like! Or a simple iphone picture. Too many times these nice glamour shot images are posted. If you want a true opinion, just a plain old image brightly lit, the way the graders look at the coins.

    I am not saying your images are not nice, just the opposite............too nice!
  • ShortgapbobShortgapbob Posts: 2,332 ✭✭✭
    Probably 65 as is, but a coin that a dip could help depending on the luster in hand.
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  • BarndogBarndog Posts: 20,500 ✭✭✭✭✭
    looks like it has already been dipped and did not recover well. I agree with TDN. Butt Ugly
  • KyleKyle Posts: 1,822 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Please blast it with bright light so I can see what it looks like! >>


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  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,306 ✭✭✭✭✭
    In all fairness, I suspect it looks better in hand. However, this is probably the highest quality date for the Morgan Series and there are expectations that have to be met. And that is the issue and why the coin likely will not fair well with TPG.

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  • Wabbit2313Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would go 66 but with that ugly toning, I would take a point off. You can't simply dip this coin, toning is too thick.
  • gripgrip Posts: 9,962 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Coin has the look of a 67+. I would send it in for conservation.JMO

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