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Comparing the two finest business strike 1794 Dollars.

SethChandlerSethChandler Posts: 1,716 ✭✭✭✭
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These are really wonderful coins. Ironically, they are both graded MS66+ by PCGS. Yet, to the eye (errr...image) they are completely different coins.

Which coin would you rather have?

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This is the Boyd/Stellar Collection coin. I love the toning. So deep and original. I wonder how the coin can stay so nice so long. Its provenance dates to the 1940's, but what about the previous 150 years??

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Then, here is the Pogue coin. Notice the strike? How is the luster different from the coin above? Do you think its been dipped? - Newman -esque - 50 - 75 years ago? Its Pedigree is from the Lord St. Oswald family - straight from the mint. Spectacular coin! Its going to be for sale soon. TDN's SP66 example, is a league above these two coins and sold for 10mm. I wonder what this one is worth?

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  • WeissWeiss Posts: 9,942 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Hard to argue with either. But I'd take the Boyd/Stellar, though to my untrained eye I think the Pogue is a stronger strike.
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  • BustHalfBrianBustHalfBrian Posts: 4,179 ✭✭✭✭
    I like the luster and 'dustiness' of the Pogue coin.
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  • KyleKyle Posts: 1,822 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I prefer the toning, and overall look of the Boyd/Stellar coin.

    Granted, it's hard to complain about either of them.
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  • coinsarefuncoinsarefun Posts: 21,739 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I bet they both look spectacular in hand but the Pogue seems to have more luster and probably pops in hand.




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  • AblinkyAblinky Posts: 628 ✭✭✭
    I would agree that they are two completely different coins, hard to say which one I prefer from the pictures though.

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  • winkywinky Posts: 1,671 ✭
    Pogue coin. It's better.
  • LanLordLanLord Posts: 11,718 ✭✭✭✭✭
    As others have said, I'm inclined to accept either, or both.

    If pinned down the metal looks better on the first one but the second seems to have more beef on it, probably a stronger strike.

    Both are things of beauty.
  • scubafuelscubafuel Posts: 1,895 ✭✭✭✭✭
    From the pics, I prefer Pogue. Brian has it right, that "dusty" look on early coinage with luster underneath is excellent.
  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    For free either would work image
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  • goldengolden Posts: 9,821 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I will take door #1.
  • Aegis3Aegis3 Posts: 2,906 ✭✭✭
    I think I'd prefer the Garrett-Hayes-Pogue 1795 B-14 dollar instead.
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  • rainbowroosierainbowroosie Posts: 4,875 ✭✭✭✭
    Both obviously are great coins. I like the Pogue coin better.
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  • CoinJunkieCoinJunkie Posts: 8,772 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Blue is my favorite color. image
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  • CoinosaurusCoinosaurus Posts: 9,632 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Can't go wrong either way. I'll pick the Pogue coin, the strike is slightly better.
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  • MidLifeCrisisMidLifeCrisis Posts: 10,547 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Comparing the pictures, I like the Boyd/Stellar coin best.

    Comparing the actual coins might produce a different result.
  • TopographicOceansTopographicOceans Posts: 6,535 ✭✭✭✭
    #1
  • EastonCollectionEastonCollection Posts: 1,439 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I saw the Pogue coin in real life - originally from a distance I didnt care for it but when I had it in hand - it had everything and its all there. Booming original luster with all the original skin and great strike - thats my preference.
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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,294 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The Boyd/Stellar coin would be a better match for other early silver coins in my collection.
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  • YorkshiremanYorkshireman Posts: 4,583 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The Boyd coin gets my vote.
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  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,310 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Pogue. I like the dusky look too. If that were a trade dollar dated 1874 you might not question the toning being possibly original. Even as a 1794, I wouldn't rule out the Pogue coin being original. Sort of surprised that the forum majority view seems to be towards the more darkly toned coin.
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  • CoinRaritiesOnlineCoinRaritiesOnline Posts: 3,677 ✭✭✭✭
    I like the Stellar coin. Prefer both of these to the SP coin as these have fewer adjustments.
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  • BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 12,231 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I like the color of the Boyd/Stellar coin

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  • CoinspongeCoinsponge Posts: 3,927 ✭✭✭
    just makes me wish I was in that league of coin collecting. Wished I could have made some quality purchases during the 60's but alas at that stage I was riding my bike to the bank and looking for mercury dimes in rolls.
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  • WinLoseWinWinLoseWin Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭✭✭


    Here is a different view of the now Pogue coin from 1979. I think it later brought $220,000 at the 1985 Jimmy Hayes auction by Stack's.

    What is going on at the reverse edge near 5 o'clock? Looks like it might be a planchet flaw rather than damage.





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  • CoinJunkieCoinJunkie Posts: 8,772 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thanks for posting that interesting info, WinLoseWin. The mention of a WATS line really took me back in time........
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  • lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,892 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I saw the Pogue coin in real life - originally from a distance I didnt care for it but when I had it in hand - it had everything and its all there. Booming original luster with all the original skin and great strike - thats my preference. >>

    Should have been a poll. I'd choose the Pogue as well.
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  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,424 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Both truly are exceptional- I would rather see them in hand before determining which I like better as well as addressing your question as to the Pogue coin.

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  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,658 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I prefer the toning, and overall look of the Boyd/Stellar coin.

    Granted, it's hard to complain about either of them. >>

    Ditto.



    << <i>Thanks for posting that interesting info, WinLoseWin >>

    Ditto that, too.

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  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,448 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'd take the Pogue coin. It has a better strike and I am partial to well struck coins.
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  • ashelandasheland Posts: 23,383 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Indeed both are excellent! Something about the Pogue example I like.
    I love the 1794 Dollar regardless! image

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  • ashelandasheland Posts: 23,383 ✭✭✭✭✭
    11:11 image

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