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1891 CC Morgan - How would you grade it?

MeltdownMeltdown Posts: 8,667 ✭✭✭✭✭
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I bought this raw today as an XF coin. It does have interesting PL fields. Do you think there is enough detail to warrant AU?
Does it look original to you guys?... not cleaned? What would you grade it?

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    jcpingjcping Posts: 2,649 ✭✭✭
    Did not see anything image
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    MeltdownMeltdown Posts: 8,667 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Sorry, I hit post before uploading. image

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    BustHalfBrianBustHalfBrian Posts: 4,128 ✭✭✭
    It's AU all day but I'm not sure it would grade. I say 50/50 chance w/out seeing it in person.
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    Type2Type2 Posts: 13,985 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Hi EF or low AU but in a details holder. image


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    david3142david3142 Posts: 3,425 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Most definitely AU. It's also definitely been cleaned but the vast majority of slabbed AU Morgans have been cleaned so you may get lucky and have it straight-grade. I'd put the odds at <10% though.
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    joebb21joebb21 Posts: 4,734 ✭✭✭✭✭
    xf45 details
    scratched
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    DDRDDR Posts: 1,562 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That one is right on the border between EF and AU. If forced to guess, I think it would grade as AU-50.
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    mbogomanmbogoman Posts: 5,128 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looking at the reverse, I say AU50 all day. The obverse is borderline to me - on Monday, Wednesday and Friday I'd give it an XF45; on Tuesday and Thursday, AU50. It's tough with proof-like fields as the chatter shows up more prominently.

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    DollarAfterDollarDollarAfterDollar Posts: 3,214 ✭✭✭✭✭
    it's pretty scruffy. I think it's only worth XF money.
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    BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,486 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I could see this coin in an AU-50 holder. Close-up digital pictures tend to make marks look worse than they are.
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    Wabbit2313Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I could see AU50
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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    AU50 - details...that scratch will hit it hard...Cheers, RickO
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    DennisHDennisH Posts: 13,963 ✭✭✭✭✭
    AU50, but can't tell how bad the scratches are on the obverse from the photos.
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    morgandollar1878morgandollar1878 Posts: 4,006 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It looks like it would be au53 to me, but I'm not sure that it would holder because of the scratch.
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    AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,544 ✭✭✭✭✭
    45 is my WAG....can you imagine what that coin looked like when made??

    Still with PL surfaces that far down is amazing.

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    roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,303 ✭✭✭✭✭
    How soon before it's on the BST?
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    jcpingjcping Posts: 2,649 ✭✭✭
    Damaged, AU detail image
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    ashelandasheland Posts: 22,695 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nice, but hairlined...

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    GoldCoin98GoldCoin98 Posts: 403 ✭✭
    AU Detail, no grade for scratches/damage


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    mustanggtmustanggt Posts: 2,638 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Gen, XF
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    Catch22Catch22 Posts: 1,086 ✭✭
    I doubt PCGS would be very kind to that coin. It has several issues that would likely add up to Genuine. Which issue they chose to accompany the holder is up in the air. It still has some luster and no doubt AU, but the cheek scratch and field smoothing, along with the cleaning or whizzing just adds up.


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    johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 27,523 ✭✭✭✭✭
    low au details. scratches
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    TopographicOceansTopographicOceans Posts: 6,535 ✭✭✭✭
    AU Details
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    StuartStuart Posts: 9,761 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think that the numismatic marketplace would "Net Grade" the OP's 1891-CC Morgan XF (Details) due to the scratches in front of Miss Liberty's face, on her cheek and the numerous contact marks in the unprotected fields.

    I'm not sure if the top tier TPGS's would formally numerically grade it, or label it as "Genuine" or assign a "Details" net grade.

    Stuart

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    coinkatcoinkat Posts: 22,795 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I would just leave it raw in a Morgan album set.

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    LindeDadLindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Only reason not to melt is the CC.

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    MeltdownMeltdown Posts: 8,667 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thanks all for the replies... I didn't mean to "post and run" but got really busy today and this was the first chance I had to check in.
    I appreciate all the insight. I wish I could invite you all over to check this one out in person. It really must have been a stunning coin shortly after being struck to have such nice mirrors still.
    I wish I could minimize the cheek scratch, but it's there. I'm still not convinced it's been cleaned. I feel like I know Morgans pretty well and this one is difficult to pin down.

    It sure has some character.

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    vplitevplite Posts: 1,385 ✭✭✭
    EF - Details.
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    LeeBoneLeeBone Posts: 4,317 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>That one is right on the border between EF and AU. If forced to guess, I think it would grade as AU-50. >>



    ^^this^^

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