Bought this in Germany... [UPDATED PICS 6.24 Grade Revealed]

Boosibri · April 30, 2015 6:46AM

Graded EF45

....from these pictures... how will it turn out? Grade (if at all)? Should have the coin in hand to image in a week of so.

commoncents05 · April 30, 2015 6:49AM

Hard to tell with those pics, could be anywhere from really nice to cleaned and retoned. Be sure to post photos in six months when you get it in hand.

-Paul

Boosibri · April 30, 2015 6:52AM

<< Hard to tell with those pics, could be anywhere from really nice to cleaned and retoned. Be sure to post photos in six months when you get it in hand.

-Paul >>

Germans are efficient. Italians, not so much. Figured it is really an all or nothing coin with those pics. Really nice, or complete crap.

lordmarcovan · April 30, 2015 6:56AM

I am reasonably optimistic for you here. Looks like the coin has some nice toning, but maybe the photos were overexposed or just a bit too "hot", somehow?

I have a hunch this one will be slightly darker (but nicer) in hand.

lordmarcovan · April 30, 2015 7:00AM

National stereotypes aside, I just got a newp from Germany yesterday, and the turnaround was quite reasonable. I've had domestic packages take longer. My last three newps have been from Germany, as a matter of fact, and so far so good.

TopographicOceans · April 30, 2015 7:01AM

The results will be unpredictable, yet interesting

Stork · April 30, 2015 7:14AM

On the flip side, I shipped something from Virginia, to the KY eBay global shipping center (see what I did there????), and onto Germany. From shipping to me getting feedback was 8 days. Somebody was efficient. Including eBay.

As for the coin, I agree, I will be cautiously optimistic on your behalf. That seems like it would look cool in my (or someone else's) 7070

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NumisOxide · April 30, 2015 7:57AM

Xf coin, hard to say about the surfaces from that pic.

ebaybuyer · April 30, 2015 8:22AM

Italians not so much ? what nationality are you ?

291fifth · April 30, 2015 8:45AM

Much like the pictures of the $5 gold you bought from italy, the photos are badly overexposed and no real judgement can be made. If the coin turns out to be original you will be a winner.

Stork · April 30, 2015 8:58AM

<< Italians not so much ? what nationality are you ? >>

There was a recent delivery of a coin from Italy, about 6 months after it was won/purchased IIRC. Something about an almost never-ending pursuit of an export license. The Italian post is not known for being super efficient either. So, not an indictment of Italians, just the postal and export delays noted.

MsMorrisine · April 30, 2015 9:57AM

doesn't look wiped.

can't tell about dipped and recolored.

it does have an NT look to it, though.

I wish I could grade Barber material.

Catch22 · April 30, 2015 10:15AM

At least the thumb print comes preinstalled.

BG · April 30, 2015 10:19AM

I don't see any lustre with those pics.

Looks nice overall, 64-65?

messydesk · April 30, 2015 10:23AM

45 if no problems.

amwldcoin · April 30, 2015 10:27AM

I say if the coin looks like I suspect it will grade VF35. Intense lighting could hide darker toning or issues such as cleaning.

My only experience with Italians on Barber Half's was a Buy it Now listed as a VF at VF money which later graded AU53!

lkeigwin · April 30, 2015 10:28AM

I'm optimistic. Photos are overexposed with poor contrast.

The prints are innocuous and don't bother me. The toning might be very nice. It could be a winner. Fingers crossed!
Lance.

DIMEMAN · April 30, 2015 10:31AM

I think it will be nice.....just a bad pic. XF45 to AU50 is my guess.

Kove · April 30, 2015 11:21AM

If I were buying that coin based solely on those photos, I would expect some sort of AU grade when the coin showed up. Probably 50, maybe 53 depending on the remaining luster and in-hand eye-appeal.

ms70 · April 30, 2015 12:19PM

I'm having a hard time deciding if it's a really soft strike MS/AU coin or just an outright attractive XF coin.

Either way, I think it will grade no problem and is an attractive coin.

numisma · April 30, 2015 12:31PM

Looks AU50 to me, but hard to tell from that photo. Nice piece.

msch1man · April 30, 2015 12:31PM

Looks like it could be a really pretty coin...hope it turns out well for you. I'll be anxious to see your pics of it. Hard to grade from the pics, but if I had to guess I'd say VF35 to XF40...probably 40 if I had to pick one.

Wabbit2313 · April 30, 2015 3:09PM

XF or so. Not sure if it was a good deal since I don't know what you paid. Buying raw coins via photos will eventually catch up and whack you, but so will a lot of other things.

Boosibri · April 30, 2015 3:23PM

<< XF or so. Not sure if it was a good deal since I don't know what you paid. Buying raw coins via photos will eventually catch up and whack you, but so will a lot of other things. >>

I paid €180. If I lose it all, oh well. If it is a glorious EF/AU, I double up or more. Bottom line I like taking risks and find that I win in most things more than I lose.

In the context of the current American numismatic marketplace, I agree, raw coins from bad pics is not a winning strategy. In Europe, nearly everything is raw so the strategy has to be different. I have made five purchases so far in this manner. Each have been outstanding buys save for one where I still broke even. None were complete shots in the dark and each had a logical risk/reward.

Boosibri · April 30, 2015 4:01PM

<< Italians not so much ? what nationality are you ? >>

I do enough business in Germany and Italy to understand that there is a reality to German/Swiss efficiency and Italian bureaucracy. I'm Polish/Hungarian by the way, fire away.

3keepSECRETif2rDEAD · April 30, 2015 4:35PM

<< 

<< Italians not so much ? what nationality are you ? >>

I'm Polish/Hungarian by the way, fire away. >>

...I'm about fire away in my kitchen...thanks...now you got me Hungary for a Polish dog

Wabbit2313 · April 30, 2015 10:42PM

<< In Europe, nearly everything is raw so the strategy has to be different. >>

Where the half sold for $7800, I would like to send them a box of raw stuff on consignment. I would probably crack some out also!

darktone · April 30, 2015 10:46PM

Au50 area. I don't see it being more than 55 or less than 45.

ricko · April 30, 2015 11:58PM

Based on the photographs - XF.....the reverse brings it down... Cheers, RickO

jcping · May 1, 2015 1:20AM

Looks AU to me

vplite · May 1, 2015 1:55AM

<< 

<< XF or so. Not sure if it was a good deal since I don't know what you paid. Buying raw coins via photos will eventually catch up and whack you, but so will a lot of other things. >>

I paid €180. If I lose it all, oh well. If it is a glorious EF/AU, I double up or more. Bottom line I like taking risks and find that I win in most things more than I lose.

In the context of the current American numismatic marketplace, I agree, raw coins from bad pics is not a winning strategy. In Europe, nearly everything is raw so the strategy has to be different. I have made five purchases so far in this manner. Each have been outstanding buys save for one where I still broke even. None were complete shots in the dark and each had a logical risk/reward. >>

So you did not spend anything like EF/AU money, so your potential loss is limited. And you might knock it out of the park! Since you did not mention a return option I assume there is none.

The picture is obviously very juiced - overexposed and/or lighted. I suspect a lot of darkness is being hidden. The reverse seems to show wear, especially on the shield.

I may be mistaken, but I believe that seller (presumably a total stranger to you) created the "best" picture possible for this coin, posted it on some selling site, not ebay, and you bought the coin looking for a possible rip.

I think that coin is 30 - 35 Details. You paid 30 money (roughly $200) I hope for your sake I am wrong, and the AU guessers are right. I tend to assume what I can't see in a picture is not there (glass half empty).

I appreciate the post - very interesting and educational. I know Boosibri will keep the board informed.

asheland · May 1, 2015 5:04AM

AU53?

telephoto1 · May 7, 2015 2:07AM

Hard to believe all the VF guesses here; if that's what you call VF then I want to buy your VFs.
We've all seen slabbed pieces with this look that received High AU and MS grades (rightly or wrongly). Based solely on the images I'm calling it AU personally. Assuming it is genuine, that is.

coindudeonebay · May 7, 2015 2:24AM

The reverse, to me, shows rub on the high points. Hard to tell on the obverse because of the toning. Also, my guess would be that the coin was cleaned and now has retoned and not that attractively.

BryceM · May 7, 2015 2:25AM

I think I'm seeing XF details, but "LIBERTY" seems weak compared to the rest of the coin. I don't suspect a weak strike here so maybe high VF is also possible. Final answer is between VF35 and XF45. As for whether or not it will grade, based on those photos I have no idea at all. Interesting (& fun) gamble though.

Boosibri · May 7, 2015 2:30AM

I am hopeful that it arrives this week or next at the latest. Will post pictures regardless.

Boosibri · May 12, 2015 3:00AM

Coin is in hand... Pics to be posted today.

DaveWcoins · May 12, 2015 3:03AM

Great! Can't wait to see it.

SamByrd · May 12, 2015 4:09AM

the coin looks like its all there and xf40 would be conservative. I bet it proves to be a great buy.

jughead1893 · May 12, 2015 4:15AM

Boosibri · May 12, 2015 5:13AM

By my count (could be wrong since there were lots of ranges and conditional guesses) here is the forum opinion based on the auction house photos:
VF 1
VF Details 1
EF 5
EF Details 1
AU 6
MS 1

ms70 · May 12, 2015 5:38AM

Pics are much better and lead me toward one of my two earlier guesses: I think it's a weakly struck MS coin.

MsMorrisine · May 12, 2015 5:43AM

45+ nt?

SamByrd · May 12, 2015 6:27AM

after seeing the updated images AU50 and a home run. Nice coin.

steveben · May 12, 2015 6:34AM

looks way better in the new images. AU-something, and original.

mvs7 · May 12, 2015 7:02AM

Wow, amazing how much better that looks in the new photos... I'll guess AU53. Nice score!

Wabbit2313 · May 12, 2015 7:55AM

I bump my estimate to AU50. The guys guessing MS, time for some glasses!

TwoSides2aCoin · May 12, 2015 9:01AM

Strong AU 53 in my view. I would add + if PCGS called it AU 50, and would be surprised if it was in the XF range.

CoinJunkie · May 12, 2015 9:10AM

Score!

coinkat · May 12, 2015 9:48AM

Terrific coin- 45 seems worst case

Boosibri · May 12, 2015 2:03PM

I'm very happy with the coin and whether EF or AU, the eye appeal is what I bought it hoping for. I'm very pleased!

Bought this in Germany... [UPDATED PICS 6.24 Grade Revealed]

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