<< <i>the 79 issue was a one-time f up by Steve (at least hopefully it was) where he wrapped legit packs from a different source as 'FASC' as a friendly gesture to a customer, and took hell for it here. At least that was my recollection. No apology or acknowledgement was made, probably to keep his 'FASC' brand intact. >>
I wish Steve would personally chime in and clear this situation up. >>
There was a 500+ post thread about it when it happened.
I was under the impression that a wrapped box had to be a factory box prior to some of the threads too. It blows my mind that you can piece a box together, have it wrapped and your in business.
The whole idea of buying packs of cards is what might be inside the pack. If you can cherry pick the packs on most boxes, and then replace the packs and you are off and running this takes away from what might be inside and thus should the value. The unopened crowd sees it differently.
Over the years I have seen tons of packs posted with stars showing. You only have so many chances per box to get the star cards and if a pack is removed because a star is showing your chances have obviously dropped should you decide to rip the packs.
I just don't see how you can look at a box of cards and be as excited if the packs have been altered. I opened a box of 1986 Panini Supersport a few years ago looking for more Mike Tyson's. You could have showed that box to anyone and they would have said all clear looks good. The problem was the packs were sequenced and you just needed to learn what sticker to look for and you could remove that pack and insert a fresh one. The original seller had a hoard and did so and sold many stars raw. For a collector like myself who hasn't had an ounce of success keeping anything sealed it is a problem. The person I bought it from didn't know. So instead of paying a price that reflects the fact that the star packs were no longer in there I paid full market and had the tough luck of opening 100 packs and not getting the cards you would normally get from the set.
<< <i>the 79 issue was a one-time f up by Steve (at least hopefully it was) where he wrapped legit packs from a different source as 'FASC' as a friendly gesture to a customer, and took hell for it here. At least that was my recollection. No apology or acknowledgement was made, probably to keep his 'FASC' brand intact. >>
I wish Steve would personally chime in and clear this situation up. >>
There was a 500+ post thread about it when it happened.
I was under the impression that a wrapped box had to be a factory box prior to some of the threads too. It blows my mind that you can piece a box together, have it wrapped and your in business.
The whole idea of buying packs of cards is what might be inside the pack. If you can cherry pick the packs on most boxes, and then replace the packs and you are off and running this takes away from what might be inside and thus should the value. The unopened crowd sees it differently.
Over the years I have seen tons of packs posted with stars showing. You only have so many chances per box to get the star cards and if a pack is removed because a star is showing your chances have obviously dropped should you decide to rip the packs.
I just don't see how you can look at a box of cards and be as excited if the packs have been altered. I opened a box of 1986 Panini Supersport a few years ago looking for more Mike Tyson's. You could have showed that box to anyone and they would have said all clear looks good. The problem was the packs were sequenced and you just needed to learn what sticker to look for and you could remove that pack and insert a fresh one. The original seller had a hoard and did so and sold many stars raw. For a collector like myself who hasn't had an ounce of success keeping anything sealed it is a problem. The person I bought it from didn't know. So instead of paying a price that reflects the fact that the star packs were no longer in there I paid full market and had the tough luck of opening 100 packs and not getting the cards you would normally get from the set. >>
I love my unopened, nearly the only thing I collect... but it seems like there's a lot of bad info out there. 86 Fleer BK (and the few years after) had strict sequencing... so much so that you can tell if packs have been moved/replaced in a box as well as knowing all the cards in a pack from seeing the top card. But that issue is the exception, and it's why Steve won't wrap an altered box. Nearly all other wax boxes DO NOT have this trouble.
While most sets do have certain sequences, it's usually short sequences that break often. And the short sequences are random in nature. Factor in douple prints, and then you have a single card present in multiple (different) sequences. On top of that, sequences differ from pack types. My point being, most boxes aren't so easy to "cherry pick"... and none are as easy as 86 Fleer BK.
As far as FASC, not all are created equally. The 79s mentioned here were wax packs derived from a case of trays, but put in case fresh wax boxes and labeled as such. Not the end of the world, but I was glad to see it corrected. But I'd take a box of those over a FASC box that shows damage (dents or moisture). And there are plenty of unwrapped, unmarked boxes that came from a sealed case and haven't been touched since that I would just be as happy with. With "put together" boxes, my primary concern would be the ease of sequencing and the eye appeal of the packs (same color and consistent condition... not a mix of dirty, worn, and clean pack.
Edited to add that these type of discussions (when they remain civil) are a great part of this hobby that we all enjoy. I love all the insight people bring to the table. Not nearly as exciting as adding packs to my collection, but it's always fun adding knowledge too.
Let's look at a hypothetical situation. This is just for arguments sake.
Suppose Dave buys two boxes of 1980 Topps looking for a high grade Rickey Henderson. Both are from a sealed case and guaranteed to not be searched.
It is my understanding that generally speaking there is only one Henderson per box. Obviously this may differ but I have read this to generally be the case.
I grab box number 1 and dig around for the first magic pack. Boom I land a Henderson!!! I set box number 1 down.
Next I grab box number 2 and open 26 packs and there it is a Rickey Henderson.
What is stopping me from taking a pack from box number 2 and adding it to box number 1 and then sending it off to get sealed? From what I have read nothing.
The chances of whomever buys this box of landing a Henderson have been greatly reduced. Perhaps completely.
Why on earth should this box have anywhere close to the value of a box that hasn't been searched? It is a stretch enough to think a box should sell for what it does when in many cases the break up value is significantly lower then the price but this takes it to entirely different level.
It is understandable that people like to see cards in their original state and dream of what might be inside. The only reason the packs cost what they do generally speaking is what might be in there. Just look at modern packs with big money chase cards. You are paying for the chance.
I really find this incredibly hard to understand and I think one day market participants may give some pause and either there will be a dramatic decline in boxes that are not from a sealed case or a significant premium placed on those that are. Not 10% or 20% but a much larger one. The spread has to widen at some point.
No one is opening the 1980 Topps box looking for off centered commons. They want the chance to land the Henderson.
<< <i>Let's look at a hypothetical situation. This is just for arguments sake.
Suppose Dave buys two boxes of 1980 Topps looking for a high grade Rickey Henderson. Both are from a sealed case and guaranteed to not be searched.
It is my understanding that generally speaking there is only one Henderson per box. Obviously this may differ but I have read this to generally be the case.
I grab box number 1 and dig around for the first magic pack. Boom I land a Henderson!!! I set box number 1 down.
Next I grab box number 2 and open 26 packs and there it is a Rickey Henderson.
What is stopping me from taking a pack from box number 2 and adding it to box number 1 and then sending it off to get sealed? From what I have read nothing.
The chances of whomever buys this box of landing a Henderson have been greatly reduced. Perhaps completely.
Why on earth should this box have anywhere close to the value of a box that hasn't been searched? It is a stretch enough to think a box should sell for what it does when in many cases the break up value is significantly lower then the price but this takes it to entirely different level.
It is understandable that people like to see cards in their original state and dream of what might be inside. The only reason the packs cost what they do generally speaking is what might be in there. Just look at modern packs with big money chase cards. You are paying for the chance.
I really find this incredibly hard to understand and I think one day market participants may give some pause and either there will be a dramatic decline in boxes that are not from a sealed case or a significant premium placed on those that are. Not 10% or 20% but a much larger one. The spread has to widen at some point.
No one is opening the 1980 Topps box looking for off centered commons. They want the chance to land the Henderson. >>
You detailed out my exact thoughts a bit better than I did earlier in this thread. Based on the information that is coming out, I don't have much faith in unopened if a person can potentially cherry pick boxes and then get them wrapped and put out on the market and portrayed/sold as if they have the same legit odds that originally came from the factory.
None of these boxes were wrapped during the year of issue so this is nothing new. The BBCE wrapping commands a premium because Steve has inspected the packs in the box and deemed them to be authentic. Nothing more, nothing less. Sealed cases from this era are non-existent for the most part, especially pre-79. Sequencing for an 86 Fleer bix is MUCH different from 1970s, for example. FASC boxes are great, but if the case is an OC one, that will be a ripper's nightmare, as well. I have ripped a lot of partial boxes with great results. Chris (nikklos) just pulled a minty 1973 Topps baseball Mays card, so the hits are out there in single packs, too. Phillip just pulled a beautiful Schmidt RC from a 73 OPC pack. For 86 Fleer, I would agree that sequencing is paramount due to the Jordan card. For a 1980 box, you can pull 3 of same card or none. It's all over the place.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>None of these boxes were wrapped during the year of issue so this is nothing new. The BBCE wrapping commands a premium because Steve has inspected the packs in the box and deemed them to be authentic. Nothing more, nothing less. Sealed cases from this era are non-existent for the most part, especially pre-79. Sequencing for an 86 Fleer bix is MUCH different from 1970s, for example. FASC boxes are great, but if the case is an OC one, that will be a ripper's nightmare, as well. I have ripped a lot of partial boxes with great results. Chris (nikklos) just pulled a minty 1973 Topps baseball Mays card, so the hits are out there in single packs, too. Phillip pulled a beautiful Schmidt RC from a 73 OPC pack. >>
I understand you will defend this faithfully, since you are heavily invested in unopened, but the fact is, there is legit reason for concern here. Sure, there are hits out there. But are the odds as great if someone can splice two cherry picked boxes together? If I buy two 1980 Topps boxes and do as dpeck stated above, do you want the rest? Will you pay me a premium for them if I am able to get them wrapped?
There are many, many boxes that have 0 Hendersons and many that have 2 or more... you just never know. I'm sure it happens, but not as much as many people fear... if somebody is doing that then they're probably trying to reseal them too. Even a sharp Henderson will end up a 7 or 8 because of centering. Hitting a 10 is such a lottery ticket, you're chances are probably the same from any pack, regardless the source... as long as it was a legit, unsearched pack.
<< <i>None of these boxes were wrapped during the year of issue so this is nothing new. The BBCE wrapping commands a premium because Steve has inspected the packs in the box and deemed them to be authentic. Nothing more, nothing less. Sealed cases from this era are non-existent for the most part, especially pre-79. Sequencing for an 86 Fleer bix is MUCH different from 1970s, for example. FASC boxes are great, but if the case is an OC one, that will be a ripper's nightmare, as well. I have ripped a lot of partial boxes with great results. Chris (nikklos) just pulled a minty 1973 Topps baseball Mays card, so the hits are out there in single packs, too. Phillip pulled a beautiful Schmidt RC from a 73 OPC pack. >>
I understand you will defend this faithfully, since you are heavily invested in unopened, but the fact is, there is legit reason for concern here. Sure, there are hits out there. But are the odds as great if someone can splice two cherry picked boxes together? If I buy two 1980 Topps boxes and do as dpeck stated above, do you want the rest? Will you pay me a premium for them if I am able to get them wrapped?
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If you don't feel comfortable collecting unopened, that's fine. That part of the hobby is not for everyone, certainly. But the track record Steve has on these forums, and with the results of many stellar pulls from boxes he has sold, speak for themselves.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>None of these boxes were wrapped during the year of issue so this is nothing new. The BBCE wrapping commands a premium because Steve has inspected the packs in the box and deemed them to be authentic. Nothing more, nothing less. Sealed cases from this era are non-existent for the most part, especially pre-79. Sequencing for an 86 Fleer bix is MUCH different from 1970s, for example. FASC boxes are great, but if the case is an OC one, that will be a ripper's nightmare, as well. I have ripped a lot of partial boxes with great results. Chris (nikklos) just pulled a minty 1973 Topps baseball Mays card, so the hits are out there in single packs, too. Phillip pulled a beautiful Schmidt RC from a 73 OPC pack. >>
I understand you will defend this faithfully, since you are heavily invested in unopened, but the fact is, there is legit reason for concern here. Sure, there are hits out there. But are the odds as great if someone can splice two cherry picked boxes together? If I buy two 1980 Topps boxes and do as dpeck stated above, do you want the rest? Will you pay me a premium for them if I am able to get them wrapped?
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If you don't feel comfortable collecting unopened, that's fine. That part of the hobby is not for everyone, certainly. But the track record Steve has on these forums, and with the results of many stellar pulls from boxes he has sold, speak for themselves. >>
That's not the point. Are you going to answer my question?
Sorry, but I'm not going to engage you in a speculative debate masquerading as a referendum on the integrity of BBCE wrapped boxes.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>Sorry, but I'm not going to engage you in a speculative debate masquerading as a referendum on the integrity of BBCE wrapped boxes. >>
No, I asked a direct question and you will not give a straight answer.
I just want to know where this issue stands with BBCE, since I have interest and money tied up in BBCE wrapped boxes just like the rest of the collectors on this forum do. Don't even try and twist this in to something it's not. That is why I stated I wished Steve would personally chime in.
Steve's email address is bbcexchange@sprintmail.com. Instead of ruminating here, why don't you simply email him with your concerns.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
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<< <i>the 79 issue was a one-time f up by Steve (at least hopefully it was) where he wrapped legit packs from a different source as 'FASC' as a friendly gesture to a customer, and took hell for it here. At least that was my recollection. No apology or acknowledgement was made, probably to keep his 'FASC' brand intact. >>
I wish Steve would personally chime in and clear this situation up. >>
There was a 500+ post thread about it when it happened.
I was under the impression that a wrapped box had to be a factory box prior to some of the threads too. It blows my mind that you can piece a box together, have it wrapped and your in business.
The whole idea of buying packs of cards is what might be inside the pack. If you can cherry pick the packs on most boxes, and then replace the packs and you are off and running this takes away from what might be inside and thus should the value. The unopened crowd sees it differently.
Over the years I have seen tons of packs posted with stars showing. You only have so many chances per box to get the star cards and if a pack is removed because a star is showing your chances have obviously dropped should you decide to rip the packs.
I just don't see how you can look at a box of cards and be as excited if the packs have been altered. I opened a box of 1986 Panini Supersport a few years ago looking for more Mike Tyson's. You could have showed that box to anyone and they would have said all clear looks good. The problem was the packs were sequenced and you just needed to learn what sticker to look for and you could remove that pack and insert a fresh one. The original seller had a hoard and did so and sold many stars raw. For a collector like myself who hasn't had an ounce of success keeping anything sealed it is a problem. The person I bought it from didn't know. So instead of paying a price that reflects the fact that the star packs were no longer in there I paid full market and had the tough luck of opening 100 packs and not getting the cards you would normally get from the set.
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<< <i>the 79 issue was a one-time f up by Steve (at least hopefully it was) where he wrapped legit packs from a different source as 'FASC' as a friendly gesture to a customer, and took hell for it here. At least that was my recollection. No apology or acknowledgement was made, probably to keep his 'FASC' brand intact. >>
I wish Steve would personally chime in and clear this situation up. >>
There was a 500+ post thread about it when it happened.
I was under the impression that a wrapped box had to be a factory box prior to some of the threads too. It blows my mind that you can piece a box together, have it wrapped and your in business.
The whole idea of buying packs of cards is what might be inside the pack. If you can cherry pick the packs on most boxes, and then replace the packs and you are off and running this takes away from what might be inside and thus should the value. The unopened crowd sees it differently.
Over the years I have seen tons of packs posted with stars showing. You only have so many chances per box to get the star cards and if a pack is removed because a star is showing your chances have obviously dropped should you decide to rip the packs.
I just don't see how you can look at a box of cards and be as excited if the packs have been altered. I opened a box of 1986 Panini Supersport a few years ago looking for more Mike Tyson's. You could have showed that box to anyone and they would have said all clear looks good. The problem was the packs were sequenced and you just needed to learn what sticker to look for and you could remove that pack and insert a fresh one. The original seller had a hoard and did so and sold many stars raw. For a collector like myself who hasn't had an ounce of success keeping anything sealed it is a problem. The person I bought it from didn't know. So instead of paying a price that reflects the fact that the star packs were no longer in there I paid full market and had the tough luck of opening 100 packs and not getting the cards you would normally get from the set. >>
I am with you.
While most sets do have certain sequences, it's usually short sequences that break often. And the short sequences are random in nature. Factor in douple prints, and then you have a single card present in multiple (different) sequences. On top of that, sequences differ from pack types. My point being, most boxes aren't so easy to "cherry pick"... and none are as easy as 86 Fleer BK.
As far as FASC, not all are created equally. The 79s mentioned here were wax packs derived from a case of trays, but put in case fresh wax boxes and labeled as such. Not the end of the world, but I was glad to see it corrected. But I'd take a box of those over a FASC box that shows damage (dents or moisture). And there are plenty of unwrapped, unmarked boxes that came from a sealed case and haven't been touched since that I would just be as happy with. With "put together" boxes, my primary concern would be the ease of sequencing and the eye appeal of the packs (same color and consistent condition... not a mix of dirty, worn, and clean pack.
Edited to add that these type of discussions (when they remain civil) are a great part of this hobby that we all enjoy. I love all the insight people bring to the table. Not nearly as exciting as adding packs to my collection, but it's always fun adding knowledge too.
Suppose Dave buys two boxes of 1980 Topps looking for a high grade Rickey Henderson. Both are from a sealed case and guaranteed to not be searched.
It is my understanding that generally speaking there is only one Henderson per box. Obviously this may differ but I have read this to generally be the case.
I grab box number 1 and dig around for the first magic pack. Boom I land a Henderson!!! I set box number 1 down.
Next I grab box number 2 and open 26 packs and there it is a Rickey Henderson.
What is stopping me from taking a pack from box number 2 and adding it to box number 1 and then sending it off to get sealed? From what I have read nothing.
The chances of whomever buys this box of landing a Henderson have been greatly reduced. Perhaps completely.
Why on earth should this box have anywhere close to the value of a box that hasn't been searched? It is a stretch enough to think a box should sell for what it does when in many cases the break up value is significantly lower then the price but this takes it to entirely different level.
It is understandable that people like to see cards in their original state and dream of what might be inside. The only reason the packs cost what they do generally speaking is what might be in there. Just look at modern packs with big money chase cards. You are paying for the chance.
I really find this incredibly hard to understand and I think one day market participants may give some pause and either there will be a dramatic decline in boxes that are not from a sealed case or a significant premium placed on those that are. Not 10% or 20% but a much larger one. The spread has to widen at some point.
No one is opening the 1980 Topps box looking for off centered commons. They want the chance to land the Henderson.
<< <i>Let's look at a hypothetical situation. This is just for arguments sake.
Suppose Dave buys two boxes of 1980 Topps looking for a high grade Rickey Henderson. Both are from a sealed case and guaranteed to not be searched.
It is my understanding that generally speaking there is only one Henderson per box. Obviously this may differ but I have read this to generally be the case.
I grab box number 1 and dig around for the first magic pack. Boom I land a Henderson!!! I set box number 1 down.
Next I grab box number 2 and open 26 packs and there it is a Rickey Henderson.
What is stopping me from taking a pack from box number 2 and adding it to box number 1 and then sending it off to get sealed? From what I have read nothing.
The chances of whomever buys this box of landing a Henderson have been greatly reduced. Perhaps completely.
Why on earth should this box have anywhere close to the value of a box that hasn't been searched? It is a stretch enough to think a box should sell for what it does when in many cases the break up value is significantly lower then the price but this takes it to entirely different level.
It is understandable that people like to see cards in their original state and dream of what might be inside. The only reason the packs cost what they do generally speaking is what might be in there. Just look at modern packs with big money chase cards. You are paying for the chance.
I really find this incredibly hard to understand and I think one day market participants may give some pause and either there will be a dramatic decline in boxes that are not from a sealed case or a significant premium placed on those that are. Not 10% or 20% but a much larger one. The spread has to widen at some point.
No one is opening the 1980 Topps box looking for off centered commons. They want the chance to land the Henderson. >>
You detailed out my exact thoughts a bit better than I did earlier in this thread. Based on the information that is coming out, I don't have much faith in unopened if a person can potentially cherry pick boxes and then get them wrapped and put out on the market and portrayed/sold as if they have the same legit odds that originally came from the factory.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>None of these boxes were wrapped during the year of issue so this is nothing new. The BBCE wrapping commands a premium because Steve has inspected the packs in the box and deemed them to be authentic. Nothing more, nothing less. Sealed cases from this era are non-existent for the most part, especially pre-79. Sequencing for an 86 Fleer bix is MUCH different from 1970s, for example. FASC boxes are great, but if the case is an OC one, that will be a ripper's nightmare, as well. I have ripped a lot of partial boxes with great results. Chris (nikklos) just pulled a minty 1973 Topps baseball Mays card, so the hits are out there in single packs, too. Phillip pulled a beautiful Schmidt RC from a 73 OPC pack. >>
I understand you will defend this faithfully, since you are heavily invested in unopened, but the fact is, there is legit reason for concern here. Sure, there are hits out there. But are the odds as great if someone can splice two cherry picked boxes together? If I buy two 1980 Topps boxes and do as dpeck stated above, do you want the rest? Will you pay me a premium for them if I am able to get them wrapped?
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<< <i>one Henderson per box. >>
There are many, many boxes that have 0 Hendersons and many that have 2 or more... you just never know. I'm sure it happens, but not as much as many people fear... if somebody is doing that then they're probably trying to reseal them too. Even a sharp Henderson will end up a 7 or 8 because of centering. Hitting a 10 is such a lottery ticket, you're chances are probably the same from any pack, regardless the source... as long as it was a legit, unsearched pack.
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<< <i>None of these boxes were wrapped during the year of issue so this is nothing new. The BBCE wrapping commands a premium because Steve has inspected the packs in the box and deemed them to be authentic. Nothing more, nothing less. Sealed cases from this era are non-existent for the most part, especially pre-79. Sequencing for an 86 Fleer bix is MUCH different from 1970s, for example. FASC boxes are great, but if the case is an OC one, that will be a ripper's nightmare, as well. I have ripped a lot of partial boxes with great results. Chris (nikklos) just pulled a minty 1973 Topps baseball Mays card, so the hits are out there in single packs, too. Phillip pulled a beautiful Schmidt RC from a 73 OPC pack. >>
I understand you will defend this faithfully, since you are heavily invested in unopened, but the fact is, there is legit reason for concern here. Sure, there are hits out there. But are the odds as great if someone can splice two cherry picked boxes together? If I buy two 1980 Topps boxes and do as dpeck stated above, do you want the rest? Will you pay me a premium for them if I am able to get them wrapped?
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If you don't feel comfortable collecting unopened, that's fine. That part of the hobby is not for everyone, certainly. But the track record Steve has on these forums, and with the results of many stellar pulls from boxes he has sold, speak for themselves.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
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<< <i>None of these boxes were wrapped during the year of issue so this is nothing new. The BBCE wrapping commands a premium because Steve has inspected the packs in the box and deemed them to be authentic. Nothing more, nothing less. Sealed cases from this era are non-existent for the most part, especially pre-79. Sequencing for an 86 Fleer bix is MUCH different from 1970s, for example. FASC boxes are great, but if the case is an OC one, that will be a ripper's nightmare, as well. I have ripped a lot of partial boxes with great results. Chris (nikklos) just pulled a minty 1973 Topps baseball Mays card, so the hits are out there in single packs, too. Phillip pulled a beautiful Schmidt RC from a 73 OPC pack. >>
I understand you will defend this faithfully, since you are heavily invested in unopened, but the fact is, there is legit reason for concern here. Sure, there are hits out there. But are the odds as great if someone can splice two cherry picked boxes together? If I buy two 1980 Topps boxes and do as dpeck stated above, do you want the rest? Will you pay me a premium for them if I am able to get them wrapped?
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If you don't feel comfortable collecting unopened, that's fine. That part of the hobby is not for everyone, certainly. But the track record Steve has on these forums, and with the results of many stellar pulls from boxes he has sold, speak for themselves. >>
That's not the point. Are you going to answer my question?
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>Sorry, but I'm not going to engage you in a speculative debate masquerading as a referendum on the integrity of BBCE wrapped boxes. >>
No, I asked a direct question and you will not give a straight answer.
I just want to know where this issue stands with BBCE, since I have interest and money tied up in BBCE wrapped boxes just like the rest of the collectors on this forum do. Don't even try and twist this in to something it's not. That is why I stated I wished Steve would personally chime in.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.