Comparison of cost of two wax boxes
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I was just looking at the BBCE website and noticed that their buy price for a 1971 BB wax box is the same as their buy price for a 86/87 Fleer basketball wax box. My question is do you think they are comparable in scarcity and do you think they really should be similar in cost and which would you rather have in your collection if you could have one of them.
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<< <i>It's hard to say which one is more scarce because there is just no way to really know what collectors/dealers have stashed away, but I would take the 1986-1987 Fleer basketball in the long run. >>
If i remember correctly. BBCE sold 86-87 Fleer basketball boxes for around $28,000 at the national last year
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<< <i>It's hard to say which one is more scarce because there is just no way to really know what collectors/dealers have stashed away, but I would take the 1986-1987 Fleer basketball in the long run. >>
If i remember correctly. BBCE sold 86-87 Fleer basketball boxes for around $28,000 at the national last year
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Yeah, they were up there. I don't recall the exact dollar amount either. In the end, there is just so much star power there with the Jordan, that I just can't see the 1971's being the better investment in the long run.
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<< <i>It's hard to say which one is more scarce because there is just no way to really know what collectors/dealers have stashed away, but I would take the 1986-1987 Fleer basketball in the long run. >>
If i remember correctly. BBCE sold 86-87 Fleer basketball boxes for around $28,000 at the national last year
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That is correct~popularity of Jordan aside, though, 71 wax boxes are scarcer than 86 Fleer basketball boxes. A Fleer 86 basketball box contains 36 packs~I would fully expect a 71 baseball wax box, which contains 24 packs, to even eclipse that sale price, should a clean 71 wax box surface.
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If i remember correctly. BBCE sold 86-87 Fleer basketball boxes for around $28,000 at the national last year
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That is correct~popularity of Jordan aside, though, 71 wax boxes are scarcer than 86 Fleer basketball boxes. A Fleer 86 basketball box contains 36 packs~I would fully expect a 71 baseball wax box, which contains 24 packs, to even eclipse that sale price, should a clean 71 wax box surface. >>
Even with the Jordan PSA 9's and 10's continuing to climb when they come up for auction?
Don't get me wrong, I LOVE the 71's, but Michael Jordan is a world wide known and loved superstar, and arguably, the greatest of all time at his sport. That 1986 Fleer Jordan is starting to smell like the 52 Mantle of basketball cards.
<< <i>I wonder what guys like Fritsch have stashed away? I would love to know.. >>
Not as much as many believe. They have quite a bit of vending, but as far as unopened wax, rack and cello, I have closely followed their sales and product (for 1970s baseball, at least) over the past 20 years, and the product they do have are from the same years/issues over and over again~1970 cello, 1973 wax, 1975 cello, 1979 rack~they used to have 1973 and 1974 cellos available years ago, but I haven't seen them list any in almost a decade now. I have not seen them list or provide to any AH anything from 1971, other than vending. They have been regularly supplying product to Collect Auctions in recent years, so their auction sales history and prices are a good barometer of what unopened Fritsch still has in stock.
Jordan is a superstar and 86 Fleer is certainly a solid investment, but for a true unopened collector, it doesn't get any better than a clean 71 wax box, if given a choice, imo..though I may be biased a bit as a baseball fan..
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Not as much as many believe. They have quite a bit of vending, but as far as unopened wax, rack and cello, I have closely followed their sales and product (for 1970s baseball, at least) over the past 20 years, and the product they do have are from the same years/issues over and over again~1970 cello, 1973 wax, 1975 cello, 1979 rack~they used to have 1973 and 1974 cellos available years ago, but I haven't seen them list any in almost a decade now. I have not seen them list or provide to any AH anything from 1971, other than vending. They have been regulkarly supplying product to Collect Auctions in recent years, so their auction sales history and prices are a good barometer of what unopened Fritsch still has in stock. >>
Yeah, I noticed the 71 vending they released. I just wonder if they are holding back any of their better stuff? I know I would hold my best stuff for last, and move everything else first, if I were in their position.
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I hear you on the 71's. I really like them too. I don't own a single basketball item at all. I just think in the long run Jordan's popularity all over the world, paired with being the greatest of all time in basketball, and 86 Fleer being his rookie card, it's the sure fire winner in the end investment wise. The 71's just don't have the same star power rookie card at the end of the day to outperform or have more desire than the 86 Fleer. I may be wrong.
<< <i>No question a box from 1971 baseball is more appealing then a box from 86-87. I vote 71 all day. >>
The 1986/87 box is one that I feel will continue to climb. I wouldn't be shocked to see an '86 box hit $40k in the next 5-10 years. But with that said I'd personally take the 1971 Topps box all day long!
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Hard to believe neither of the 2 is their rookie card.
The 84 Star #101 does sell for more money. A shame PSA refuses to grade them.
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Hard to believe neither of the 2 is their rookie card. >>
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I think the long term value between these two boxes comes down to supply and demand. Both are amazing boxes to own and iconic in their own right, but for different reasons. The 1971 box is desired for those collectors looking to complete an unopened run from the 1970's and for the condition rarity of those black boarders, but lets face it...there is no key rookie demand for this box. As we all know, rookie cards drive our hobby. That said, the remaining unopened supply likely slightly favors 1971 depending on what Fritch really has. I would project less than 50 boxes remain.
86/87 is desired as the greatest basketball set ever produced based on rookie power and of course the most broadly desired basketball card ever...the pristine Jordan rookie. Jordan is the most well known athlete on the planet and will continue to be the most collected player for the next three decades as those that loved watching him come into their maximum earning years...we are 35-45 years old right now. I track 86/87 Fleer box sales very closely and am convinced less than 75 still remain.
Given the broader collector demand for 86/87 Fleer, only slightly greater supply (depending Fritch) and the growing incomes for those that love MJ...my opinion is the 86/87 Fleer box will climb faster in value over the next 30 years.
buy that box and you could sell it in 24 hours pack by pack and you could pretty much name your price
Perhaps they saw a few over the last year?
Interesting to note they also never offered the same with respect to a 1971 baseball wax case. I don't know what that means, but I am guessing they had seen a 71 wax case or know of some in existence?
In my opinion, there are far more 86 fleer wax boxes out there than 1971 baseball wax boxes. Given Jordan's popularity however I could see there being more demand for an 86 fleer wax box. But I think over time, the 71 wax box holds its value more than the 86 box just because it is so much more scarce.
I would prefer to have a 71 baseball wax box over an 86 fleer wax box, but like others on this board, I am a bigger baseball fan and 86 fleer packs are easy to find, but 71 packs are near impossible to find.
<< <i>I understand we are on a baseball board, and many of us like/love the 71's. If we don't vote with our hearts, does anyone truly think the 71's have the upside potential the 86 Fleer with Jordan's iconic rookie card has? We are now pushing $3,000 a pop for PSA 9 Jordan rookies(PWCC just sold one for $3700), and PSA 10's sell for well over $10,000+. >>
There are many 1971 PSA 10s that would easily sell for 10K+. A PSA 9 Munson would come close to 10K. So would a PSA 9 Rose.
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There are many 1971 PSA 10s that would easily sell for 10K+. A PSA 9 Munson would come close to 10K. >>
Is Munson or any of those more popular than Jordan world wide? Most people in this thread are saying 71's because they are fans of 71's or unopened baseball collectors. That crowd isn't nearly as big as the Jordan fan base world wide.
I stand corrected on PSA 10 Jordan's. Completed Ebay sales shows PSA 10's are closer to $12,000-$14,000+ a piece now. And a person has a legit chance to pull about 3 Jordans from a box due to how small the set is.
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There are many 1971 PSA 10s that would easily sell for 10K+. A PSA 9 Munson would come close to 10K. >>
Is Munson or any of those more popular than Jordan world wide? Most people in this thread are saying 71's because they are unopened collectors. That crowd isn't nearly as big as the Jordan fan base world wide.
I stand corrected on PSA 10 Jordan's. Completed Ebay sales shows PSA 10's are closer to $12,000-$14,000+ a piece now. And a person has a legit chance to pull about 3 Jordans from a box due to how small the set is. >>
If you are changing the context of this debate to who is the more popular global player, then yes, Jordan would trump any player from the 1971 Topps baseball set (though there are quite a few legends in that set~Aaron, Mays, Ryan, etc.). But the question posed by the OP was "do you think the 71 box and the 86 box are comparable in scarcity," and the answer to that question is absolutely not, as the 71 box is MUCH scarcer. The second part of the OP's question was "which of the two boxes would you rather have in your collection," which is obviously a more subjective question, but I would bet that most unopened collectors (as evidenced by the responses thus far to this thread) would also prefer to have the 71 box in their collection, too. The value of several PSA 10 1971 cards would also eclipse a PSA 10 Jordan, as well.
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There are many 1971 PSA 10s that would easily sell for 10K+. A PSA 9 Munson would come close to 10K. >>
Is Munson or any of those more popular than Jordan world wide? Most people in this thread are saying 71's because they are unopened collectors. That crowd isn't nearly as big as the Jordan fan base world wide.
I stand corrected on PSA 10 Jordan's. Completed Ebay sales shows PSA 10's are closer to $12,000-$14,000+ a piece now. And a person has a legit chance to pull about 3 Jordans from a box due to how small the set is. >>
If you are changing the context of this debate to who is the more popular global player, then yes, Jordan would trump any player from the 1971 Topps baseball set (though there are quite a few legends in that set~Aaron, Mays, Ryan, etc.). But the question posed by the OP was "do you think the 71 box and the 86 box are comparable in scarcity," and the answer to that question is absolutely not, as the 71 box is MUCH scarcer. The second part of the OP's question was which of the two boxes would you rather have in your collection, which is obviously a more subjective question, but I would bet that most unopened collectors (as evidenced by the responses thus far to this thread) would also prefer to have the 71 box in their collection, too. >>
I am not necessarily wanting to change the context of the debate. I am just tossing all info out there.
Yes, there are legends in the 71 set, but no key rookie cards as iconic as Jordan's rookie that could push 86 Fleer boxes for many years to come. Even more so as those kids who grew up watching Jordan are now grown men making more money as they get later in their lives and may want to go after that iconic rookie card.
Honestly, how do we know what boxes are more scarce? Yeah, some can debate that issue based on what has came to market, but just like the T206 Honus Wagners that keep coming out of the woodwork, or the Black Swamp Find, we simply don't know what may be stashed away out there.
And to ask unopened baseball collectors on a mostly baseball board if they prefer 71's over a basketball product is a bit skewed or one sided isn't it?
Which one is more iconic, which is worth more or which one is more popular?????? I guess it depends on who your asking. I would rather have the 71 Topps wax box personally.
Tim - If you can find a 71 wax with Bench or Rose showing, please let me know.
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Yes, we do. One who follows the unopened market over the past 20+ years, or even the past decade, will quickly realize the answer to that question.
You are hard pressed to even find a legit 71 baseball wax PACK, let alone a full box. 86 Fleer packs (and boxes), while pricey, are nowhere near that level of scarcity. Steve has 86 Fleer basketball packs and boxes every year at the National. I don't think he has EVER had a full 71 baseball box.
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<< <i>A 12 year old kid who ripped open 71's when he was a boy is now 56 years old.
In 5-10 years he will be retired, have his house paid off, and will be living quite comfortably.
He will have much more disposable income than the kid who ripped open 86 fleer basketball. >>
And not too long after that, he could very well pass away in his 70's. That is why I feel those could peak sooner than the 86 Fleer.
Meanwhile, those guys who grew up watching Jordan will be making a lot more money than when they were younger, and will be looking to secure that iconic Jordan memory. That is why I believe they will have a longer time frame or potential to increase in value over the 71's.
There have been four cases of 86/87 cases to surface since 1990 and most of those boxes have been packed out over the years along with many of the raw boxes to surface. I have never heard of a 1971 case, so likely only in Fritchs collection if one exists. Typically 1-3 boxes of 86/87 come up for sale each year, while less than one 1971 surfaces. The 1971 that do exist sit in collections of the 50+ year olds that salted these away 10+ years ago and no one is breaking the packs, unlike the Fleer. It is likely fair to say that there are 3-5x the number of 86/87 Fleer boxes out there.
This baseball dominated board clearly prefers the 1971 due to scarcity, which was the original question. The second question was about the value of the two. I still contend that the 86/87 will hold greater long term potential as the boomers pass the earning torch to the Gen X folks. 86/87 will be the holy grail of all boxes for Gen X and with less than 75 to go around, this will be a $70k box in the next 15-20 years...yep, $2000k per pack if it comes from a full legit box.
<< <i>Honestly, how do we know what boxes are more scarce?
Yes, we do. One who follows the unopened market over the past 20+ years, or even the past decade, will quickly realize the answer to that question.
You are hard pressed to even find a legit 71 baseball wax PACK, let alone a full box. 86 Fleer packs (and boxes), while pricey, are nowhere near that level of scarcity. Steve has 86 Fleer basketball packs and boxes every year at the National. I don't think he has EVER had a full 71 baseball box. >>
Like I said, we don't know what is stashed away by the old timers. Years ago, that Black Swamp Find was unthinkable. Look how that changed everything..
Right now, 71 prices are pretty much based on their perceived scarcity. Right now, the 86 Fleer is based more on popularity of an iconic rookie card. Imagine if everyone finds out the 86 Fleer is not as plentiful as we thought? Especially, after what has been busted over the last 5 years or so? We certainly aren't seeing as much now as we have in the past. Even if that's not the case, the Jordan rookie continues to gain popularity, and when it comes up for auction in top grade, they command hefty prices. That is why I feel the 86 Fleer has a potential to be the better investment in the long run.
This becomes even more interesting if you throw in the 79 OPC hockey also.
Jim
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There are many 1971 PSA 10s that would easily sell for 10K+. A PSA 9 Munson would come close to 10K. >>
Is Munson or any of those more popular than Jordan world wide? Most people in this thread are saying 71's because they are unopened collectors. That crowd isn't nearly as big as the Jordan fan base world wide.
I stand corrected on PSA 10 Jordan's. Completed Ebay sales shows PSA 10's are closer to $12,000-$14,000+ a piece now. And a person has a legit chance to pull about 3 Jordans from a box due to how small the set is. >>
If you are changing the context of this debate to who is the more popular global player, then yes, Jordan would trump any player from the 1971 Topps baseball set (though there are quite a few legends in that set~Aaron, Mays, Ryan, etc.). But the question posed by the OP was "do you think the 71 box and the 86 box are comparable in scarcity," and the answer to that question is absolutely not, as the 71 box is MUCH scarcer. The second part of the OP's question was "which of the two boxes would you rather have in your collection," which is obviously a more subjective question, but I would bet that most unopened collectors (as evidenced by the responses thus far to this thread) would also prefer to have the 71 box in their collection, too. The value of several PSA 10 1971 cards would also eclipse a PSA 10 Jordan, as well. >>
But what is the likelihood that you would pull enough PSA 10's out of a 71 box considering the black edge sensitivity issues (chipping etc.) 2-3 shots per box at a 10 Jordan w/o the 71 chipping concerns would sway my vote to the 86 box. This does not include the other star power within the 86 box. But from a scarcity aspect I could'nt say which is scarcer. I would not open up the 71 if I owned one due to the black border issues. The 86 I'd risk it.
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Yes, we do. One who follows the unopened market over the past 20+ years, or even the past decade, will quickly realize the answer to that question.
You are hard pressed to even find a legit 71 baseball wax PACK, let alone a full box. 86 Fleer packs (and boxes), while pricey, are nowhere near that level of scarcity. Steve has 86 Fleer basketball packs and boxes every year at the National. I don't think he has EVER had a full 71 baseball box. >>
Like I said, we don't know what is stashed away by the old timers. Years ago, that Black Swamp Find was unthinkable. Look how that changed everything..
Right now, 71 prices are pretty much based on their perceived scarcity. Right now, the 86 Fleer is based more on popularity of an iconic rookie card. Imagine if everyone finds out the 86 Fleer is not as plentiful as we thought? Especially, after what has been busted over the last 5 years or so? We certainly aren't seeing as much now as we have in the past. Even if that's not the case, the Jordan rookie continues to gain popularity, and when it comes up for auction in top grade, they command hefty prices. That is why I feel the 86 Fleer has a potential to be the better investment in the long run. >>
Sure, anything can happen, but like I said, in response to the question posed by the OP, all of the evidence that we have now supports the assertion that not only is a 71 wax box scarcer than a 86 wax box, but that it is MUCH scarcer. There really is no debate about that fact. Everythis else posed here is mere opinion and specualtion, that may or may not come to fruition.
Additionally, there are at least several cards in the 1971 Topps baseball set that will command higher prices than the Jordan RC in PSA 10 grade.
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<< <i>I was wondering if the demand for the Jordan will in the long run lead to the Fleer box being scarcer than the 71 just because of the drive to open them in search of the Jordan while there is not a big a reason to open the 71's. I think it is fairly obvious that for individual packs the 71 will always be scarcer because of the sequencing of the Fleer will have people leave packs they know don't have a Jordan in them to leave them unopened.
This becomes even more interesting if you throw in the 79 OPC hockey also.
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That is a different question than the one you posed in the OP. I would agree that 86 basketball packs and boxes are more likely to be opened in search of the Jordan RC (and also simply because 71 product is so scarce to begin with), but at what point will supply 86 of Fleer product be more scarce than a 71 baseball wax box? Not in our lifetimes.
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<< <i>But what is the likelihood that you would pull enough PSA 10's out of a 71 box considering the black edge sensitivity issues (chipping etc.) 2-3 shots per box at a 10 Jordan w/o the 71 chipping concerns would sway my vote to the 86 box. This does not include the other star power within the 86 box. But from a scarcity aspect I could'nt say which is scarcer. I would not open up the 71 if I owned one due to the black border issues. The 86 I'd risk it. >>
Exactly. The 86's have so much more potential to grow over time, imo.
<< <i>the answer to that question is absolutely not, as the 71 box is MUCH scarcer. >>
Wasn't Steve's buy price the same for both boxes? If one was so much harder to come by, why wouldn't Steve offer more for it? Just curious what your thoughts are on this.
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Wasn't Steve's buy price the same for both boxes? If one was so much harder to come by, why wouldn't Steve offer more for it? Just curious what your thoughts are on this. >>
Yes, but when you take into account that a 71 Topps baseball box has 24 packs wth 10 cards per pack and an 86 Fleer basketball box has 36 packs with 12 cards per pack, the buy price for the 71 box is stronger as that box has 12 fewer packs and nearly 200 fewer cards per box.
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Wasn't Steve's buy price the same for both boxes? If one was so much harder to come by, why wouldn't Steve offer more for it? Just curious what your thoughts are on this. >>
Yes, but when you take into account that a 71 Topps baseball box has 24 packs wth 10 cards per pack and an 86 Fleer basketball box has 36 packs with 12 cards per pack, the buy price for the 71 box is stronger as that box has 12 fewer packs and nearly 200 fewer cards per box. >>
I understand the number of packs, but if the box is MUCH more scarce as you claim, wouldn't he offer more for it? Or does Steve know something we don't?
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Wasn't Steve's buy price the same for both boxes? If one was so much harder to come by, why wouldn't Steve offer more for it? Just curious what your thoughts are on this. >>
Yes, but when you take into account that a 71 Topps baseball box has 24 packs wth 10 cards per pack and an 86 Fleer basketball box has 36 packs with 12 cards per pack, the buy price for the 71 box is stronger as that box has 12 fewer packs and nearly 200 fewer cards per box. >>
I understand the number of packs, but if the box is MUCH more scarce as you claim, wouldn't he offer more for it? Or does Steve know something we don't? >>
You'd have to ask Steve. But I'd classify a 50%++ difference in pack/card count as pretty significant, but that's just me..
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Wasn't Steve's buy price the same for both boxes? If one was so much harder to come by, why wouldn't Steve offer more for it? Just curious what your thoughts are on this. >>
Yes, but when you take into account that a 71 Topps baseball box has 24 packs wth 10 cards per pack and an 86 Fleer basketball box has 36 packs with 12 cards per pack, the buy price for the 71 box is stronger as that box has 12 fewer packs and nearly 200 fewer cards per box. >>
I understand the number of packs, but if the box is MUCH more scarce as you claim, wouldn't he offer more for it? Or does Steve know something we don't? >>
You'd have to ask Steve. But I'd classify a 50%++ difference in pack/card count as pretty significant, but that's just me.. >>
Look at 52 Topps packs. Why do they command such a premium? Scarcity.. If the 71's were MUCH more scarce as some want us to believe, why doesn't Steve's bid prices reflect that? Of all people, wouldn't he be in the know on what may or may not be out there?
Either way, good debate guys. That is what makes this forum worth visiting.
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Wasn't Steve's buy price the same for both boxes? If one was so much harder to come by, why wouldn't Steve offer more for it? Just curious what your thoughts are on this. >>
Yes, but when you take into account that a 71 Topps baseball box has 24 packs wth 10 cards per pack and an 86 Fleer basketball box has 36 packs with 12 cards per pack, the buy price for the 71 box is stronger as that box has 12 fewer packs and nearly 200 fewer cards per box. >>
I understand the number of packs, but if the box is MUCH more scarce as you claim, wouldn't he offer more for it? Or does Steve know something we don't? >>
You'd have to ask Steve. But I'd classify a 50%++ difference in pack/card count as pretty significant, but that's just me.. >>
Look at 52 Topps packs. Why do they command such a premium? Scarcity.. If the 71's were MUCH more scarce as some want us to believe, why doesn't Steve's bid prices reflect that? Of all people, wouldn't he be in the know on what may or may not be out there?
Either way, good debate guys. That is what makes this forum worth visiting. >>
As far as 71 wax being much scarcer than 86 Fleer basketball packs, yes, absolutely.
52 Topps wax is actually not as scarce as some of the other packs from the 1950s, if we're going to start using that yardstick.
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Wasn't Steve's buy price the same for both boxes? If one was so much harder to come by, why wouldn't Steve offer more for it? Just curious what your thoughts are on this. >>
Yes, but when you take into account that a 71 Topps baseball box has 24 packs wth 10 cards per pack and an 86 Fleer basketball box has 36 packs with 12 cards per pack, the buy price for the 71 box is stronger as that box has 12 fewer packs and nearly 200 fewer cards per box. >>
I understand the number of packs, but if the box is MUCH more scarce as you claim, wouldn't he offer more for it? Or does Steve know something we don't? >>
You'd have to ask Steve. But I'd classify a 50%++ difference in pack/card count as pretty significant, but that's just me.. >>
Look at 52 Topps packs. Why do they command such a premium? Scarcity.. If the 71's were MUCH more scarce as some want us to believe, why doesn't Steve's bid prices reflect that? Of all people, wouldn't he be in the know on what may or may not be out there?
Either way, good debate guys. That is what makes this forum worth visiting. >>
As far as 71 wax being much scarcer than 86 Fleer basketball packs, yes, absolutely.
52 Topps wax is actually not as scarce as some of the other packs from the 1950s, if we're going to start using that yardstick. >>
I said 52 Topps packs, but I meant boxes.
Point being, you would think Steve of all guys knows a fair bit more of what is out there than the average Joe, and the fact his buy price for 71 boxes is the same as it is for 86 Fleer boxes speaks volumes to me.
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<< <i>the answer to that question is absolutely not, as the 71 box is MUCH scarcer. >>
Wasn't Steve's buy price the same for both boxes? If one was so much harder to come by, why wouldn't Steve offer more for it? Just curious what your thoughts are on this. >>
Yes, but when you take into account that a 71 Topps baseball box has 24 packs wth 10 cards per pack and an 86 Fleer basketball box has 36 packs with 12 cards per pack, the buy price for the 71 box is stronger as that box has 12 fewer packs and nearly 200 fewer cards per box. >>
I understand the number of packs, but if the box is MUCH more scarce as you claim, wouldn't he offer more for it? Or does Steve know something we don't? >>
You'd have to ask Steve. But I'd classify a 50%++ difference in pack/card count as pretty significant, but that's just me.. >>
Look at 52 Topps packs. Why do they command such a premium? Scarcity.. If the 71's were MUCH more scarce as some want us to believe, why doesn't Steve's bid prices reflect that? Of all people, wouldn't he be in the know on what may or may not be out there?
Either way, good debate guys. That is what makes this forum worth visiting. >>
As far as 71 wax being much scarcer than 86 Fleer basketball packs, yes, absolutely.
52 Topps wax is actually not as scarce as some of the other packs from the 1950s, if we're going to start using that yardstick. >>
I said 52 Topps packs, but I meant boxes.
Point being, you would think Steve of all guys knows a fair bit more of what is out there than the average Joe, and the fact his buy price for 71 boxes is the same as it is for 86 Fleer boxes speaks volumes to me. >>
Speaking of volume, at those buy prices, Steve would need to buy 3 71 boxes for 66K to acquire 72 total packs, while buying 2 86 boxes for 44K to acquire those same 72 packs...and he'd still have fewer cards in the 71 boxes. That speaks volumes to me (not to mention an extra 22K).
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
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<< <i>the answer to that question is absolutely not, as the 71 box is MUCH scarcer. >>
Wasn't Steve's buy price the same for both boxes? If one was so much harder to come by, why wouldn't Steve offer more for it? Just curious what your thoughts are on this. >>
Yes, but when you take into account that a 71 Topps baseball box has 24 packs wth 10 cards per pack and an 86 Fleer basketball box has 36 packs with 12 cards per pack, the buy price for the 71 box is stronger as that box has 12 fewer packs and nearly 200 fewer cards per box. >>
I understand the number of packs, but if the box is MUCH more scarce as you claim, wouldn't he offer more for it? Or does Steve know something we don't? >>
You'd have to ask Steve. But I'd classify a 50%++ difference in pack/card count as pretty significant, but that's just me.. >>
Look at 52 Topps packs. Why do they command such a premium? Scarcity.. If the 71's were MUCH more scarce as some want us to believe, why doesn't Steve's bid prices reflect that? Of all people, wouldn't he be in the know on what may or may not be out there?
Either way, good debate guys. That is what makes this forum worth visiting. >>
As far as 71 wax being much scarcer than 86 Fleer basketball packs, yes, absolutely.
52 Topps wax is actually not as scarce as some of the other packs from the 1950s, if we're going to start using that yardstick. >>
I said 52 Topps packs, but I meant boxes.
Point being, you would think Steve of all guys knows a fair bit more of what is out there than the average Joe, and the fact his buy price for 71 boxes is the same as it is for 86 Fleer boxes speaks volumes to me. >>
Speaking of volume, at those buy prices, Steve would need to buy 3 71 boxes for 66K to acquire 72 total packs, while buying 2 86 boxes for 44K to acquire those same 72 packs...and he'd still have fewer cards in the 71 boxes. That speaks volumes to me (not to mention an extra 22K).
Volume? I thought we were speaking of a WHOLE box price? His box buy price is the same for both. If one box is MUCH more scarce as you claim, than the other, why doesn't his buy price reflect that? Does Steve know something we don't?
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You have made a couple of posts in this thread, but to be honest, I am not understanding you. Are you being serious, or are you an alt? If you are serious, I apologize and ask that you be more clear because I want to understand your posts. If you are the latter, then never mind..
Edited for spelling: Dang fingers type one thing and the brain means another..
71 Topps baseball wax boxes are scarcer than 86 Fleer basketball wax boxes. Anyone who closely follows or collects unopened product realizes this. If you don't realize this, you are either not paying attention to the unopened market, or don't follow it.
In either case, I can't add any more to the topic than I already have. Feel free to get the last word in..
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.