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Unusual Crown Counterstamp on a 1877-S Seated Quarter-
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Picked this up last week for a good price on ebay. Whats your thoughts on the counterstamp? Is it a known one? Thanks.
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I also did not find it as a silversmith's hallmark for US and UK silversmiths (there are online pages of these).
My thought would have been some kind of silversmith hallmark as well.
What's "a good price", if you don't mind me asking?
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<< <i>Picked this up last week for a good price on ebay. Whats your thoughts on the counterstamp? Is it a known one? Thanks.
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"Hi [LogPotato],
I'm not a member of the PCGS forum, so didn't see [this] post. I've been doing some searches and thinking about the counterstamp though.
My initial impression was a cutler's mark similar to old English merchant pieces. There are many examples of crowned initials or letters, and there is in fact a "Crowned S" mark known. There's no illustration of it as far as I know, but it's highly unlikely to be [this one].
A lot of the marks are very old , much earlier than [this one], and mostly appear on large English copper Pennies or Halfpennies. I'm pretty certain that it's American rather than English, but whose it is I don't know.
There are several red flags here. Counterstamps of English origin on American coins are exceedingly rare. Our coinage simply didn't circulate in England nor there's here. Most American stamps on foreign coins, especially prior to 1850 or so, were struck on Spanish Reales of various denominations. The only English coin I have in my collection with an American stamp is an old silver coin issued by a New Yorker named Thomas Siren. Siren was a sailor, so may have picked up the coin in England or one of her colonies.
There's no question in my mind that the stamp represents the logo of some company. Other than American, there's a slight possibility it's a Canadian mark. Canadian coins did circulate to some extent in the states bordering Canada.
I believe [this] stamp dates to the 1880s or a bit later.
I'm going to look a bit more and will let you know if I have any luck. I appreciate the opportunity to research [this] counterstamp. BTW, it's a very nice piece and one I wouldn't mind having in my collection.
Kindest regards,
[BRandM]"
<< <i>I asked Cointalk member BRandM and below are his comments.
"Hi [LogPotato],
I'm not a member of the PCGS forum, so didn't see [this] post. I've been doing some searches and thinking about the counterstamp though.
My initial impression was a cutler's mark similar to old English merchant pieces. There are many examples of crowned initials or letters, and there is in fact a "Crowned S" mark known. There's no illustration of it as far as I know, but it's highly unlikely to be [this one].
A lot of the marks are very old , much earlier than [this one], and mostly appear on large English copper Pennies or Halfpennies. I'm pretty certain that it's American rather than English, but whose it is I don't know.
There are several red flags here. Counterstamps of English origin on American coins are exceedingly rare. Our coinage simply didn't circulate in England nor there's here. Most American stamps on foreign coins, especially prior to 1850 or so, were struck on Spanish Reales of various denominations. The only English coin I have in my collection with an American stamp is an old silver coin issued by a New Yorker named Thomas Siren. Siren was a sailor, so may have picked up the coin in England or one of her colonies.
There's no question in my mind that the stamp represents the logo of some company. Other than American, there's a slight possibility it's a Canadian mark. Canadian coins did circulate to some extent in the states bordering Canada.
I believe [this] stamp dates to the 1880s or a bit later.
I'm going to look a bit more and will let you know if I have any luck. I appreciate the opportunity to research [this] counterstamp. BTW, it's a very nice piece and one I wouldn't mind having in my collection.
Kindest regards,
[BRandM]" >>