So what would have happened had the buyer simply returned a 1972 Lincoln cent to the CC Company who in turn returned a 1972 Lincoln cent to the seller? Would that have legitimized his complaint since the seller wouldn't have the correct coin to send to the buyer?
Around 5 years ago I sold on Ebay a toned Walking Liberty Half. Seller claimed no delivery despite signature. Opened claim and Paypal dismissed it with proof of delivery. The same Einstein buyer later posted the same coin I sold him here on the forum bragging about how pretty it was and I called him out. That experience was aggrivating.
Now that I no longer collect and have been considering selling my thought is to take the option of turning everything over to Great Collections.
As far as the original post on chargeback I am surprised the CC did not require first return of the '72 cent that was supposly delivered. I have had to go the charge back route and it is a 4 week wait and required signatures along with photos.
I think the OP was a "public announcement" to avoid business with what appears to be an alleged theft..........Now, the rest of the posts and digression into what flows downhill are really interesting, but unnecessary, as well as, any new rules regarding dealing on the BST. You guys are behaving like any government and one we need less of. You are looking to make another new law to gap the enforcement of the first and what's worse is you really and I INCLUDED don't know what Ebay and the CC or the parties will do or have done. Now, with regard to the "Sh*t" flowing downhill remarks, my grandfather was a plumber and he never used such foul stories to describe a rather noble trade. Then of course if you angered my grandmother she'd tell you to go "sh*t up a rope" which I did find rather interesting and thought provoking.
<< <i>PP can only take money from your account if there is money in there to take. I don't believe they can access your linked CC or bank accounts without your permission.
They can ACH the funds right out of your linked account OR your CC card. >>
It's been posted here in the past that PP put a negative balance on someone's account when there was no balance to take from. They are not supposed to be able to access your linked accounts without your permission.
<< <i>I think the OP was a "public announcement" to avoid business with what appears to be an alleged theft..........Now, the rest of the posts and digression into what flows downhill are really interesting, but unnecessary, as well as, any new rules regarding dealing on the BST. You guys are behaving like any government and one we need less of. You are looking to make another new law to gap the enforcement of the first and what's worse is you really and I INCLUDED don't know what Ebay and the CC or the parties will do or have done. Now, with regard to the "Sh*t" flowing downhill remarks, my grandfather was a plumber and he never used such foul stories to describe a rather noble trade. Then of course if you angered my grandmother she'd tell you to go "sh*t up a rope" which I did find rather interesting and thought provoking. >>
There are always stories here about PP and their tactics or lack thereof, etc. and so on and so forth. The stuff rolling downhill simply refers to A takes from B who takes from C, etc. In the OP situation, it defies common sense that the CC Company didn't require the buyer to return the 1972 Lincoln cent. Then again they paid out a large sum that they probably couldn't recover from the buyer so they were only covering their own ass.
<< <i>PP can only take money from your account if there is money in there to take. I don't believe they can access your linked CC or bank accounts without your permission.
They can ACH the funds right out of your linked account OR your CC card. >>
It's been posted here in the past that PP put a negative balance on someone's account when there was no balance to take from. They are not supposed to be able to access your linked accounts without your permission. >>
Must be ebay, since PayPal states only that they will 'undertake collection actions' in event of negative balance from disputes the seller loses.
10.2 Reimbursement for Your Liability. In the event that you are liable for any amounts owed to PayPal, PayPal may immediately remove such amounts from your Balance. If you do not have a Balance that is sufficient to cover your liability, your remaining Balance (if any) will be removed, your Account will have negative Balance up to the amount of your liability, and you will be required to immediately add funds to your Balance to eliminate the negative Balance. If you do not do so, PayPal may engage in collection efforts to recover such amounts from you. >>
But you just stated a couple posts ago that PP can ACH debit your linked bank or CC accounts so why wouldn't they just pull the deficient funds from those? Saw that you corrected that.
<< <i>There is a way at the post office where you can get some kind of certification of the item in the package - you literally pack the item in front of the postmaster and they certify what's in it similar to notarizing a document. On the receiving end, same thing, buyer opens package in front of the postmaster and signs off on the contents as described. >>
Never heard of this, tell me more. >>
You would have to check with your postmaster and see if they would be willing to do this with high value items. >>
I tried this before and it did not work with a Paypal charge-back. The BEST advise is to file a police report in your city and the city in which it was delivered (if you can). I had a hard time doing just that because i could not prove where the "crime" had been committed (a buyer said he didn't receive an $800 coin but he sure did).
<< <i>Around 5 years ago I sold on Ebay a toned Walking Liberty Half. Seller claimed no delivery despite signature. Opened claim and Paypal dismissed it with proof of delivery. The same Einstein buyer later posted the same coin I sold him here on the forum bragging about how pretty it was and I called him out. That experience was aggrivating.
Now that I no longer collect and have been considering selling my thought is to take the option of turning everything over to Great Collections.
As far as the original post on chargeback I am surprised the CC did not require first return of the '72 cent that was supposly delivered. I have had to go the charge back route and it is a 4 week wait and required signatures along with photos. >>
While the peanut gallery keeps arguing with each other, people are missing the hidden nugget here.....
I'mwould LOVE to know which forum member pulled the BS mentioned above, including posting the stolen coin here on the forum.....
It's a shame that it's apparently so easy to rip people off via eBay/Pay Pal. I think the idea of the grading services putting a "Stolen Coin" alert when people put it the cert# of stolen coins is a really good one. It would at least give buyers a much easier way to find out if what their buying is stolen or not, and might also lead to some "bad guys" getting caught.
The problem with the video idea is that even if you video taped the packaging of the coins, how would the viewer know you didn't open and repackage the coins later when the package was removed from the view of the video (when you took the coins to the post office, for example.) Not sure it would work in court very well.
<< <i>Around 5 years ago I sold on Ebay a toned Walking Liberty Half. Seller claimed no delivery despite signature. Opened claim and Paypal dismissed it with proof of delivery. The same Einstein buyer later posted the same coin I sold him here on the forum bragging about how pretty it was and I called him out. That experience was aggrivating.
Now that I no longer collect and have been considering selling my thought is to take the option of turning everything over to Great Collections.
As far as the original post on chargeback I am surprised the CC did not require first return of the '72 cent that was supposly delivered. I have had to go the charge back route and it is a 4 week wait and required signatures along with photos. >>
While the peanut gallery keeps arguing with each other, people are missing the hidden nugget here.....
I'mwould LOVE to know which forum member pulled the BS mentioned above, including posting the stolen coin here on the forum..... >>
------------>>>>>>>>>> <<<<<<<<<<------------------ That was 2009 so images and some conversation is gone but you can figure it out after my post 5 down from top followed by responses on next pages.
Man, that hurts!!!! I cant stand the garbage out there just RUINING any trust that good sellers/buyers may have. This keeps up its just gonna be face to face. Thats a spendy piece...AND he got his lil refund!!! Ridiculous! The only good thing is that S VDB could likely be identified even if it is cracked out. Lets hope this dip is smart enough NOT to crack it out ;-) Good luck with this whole crappy ordeal...I hope you prevail and Danny Smith of Macon, GA gets what he deserves.
Danny Smith of Macon, Georgia, eBay user bearmanshunt83 <-------- is there any word on a handle for CU?? Im sure we would ALL like to know his CU handle...if there is one. Gotta out these thieves!!
<< <i>PP can only take money from your account if there is money in there to take. I don't believe they can access your linked CC or bank accounts without your permission.
They can ACH the funds right out of your linked account OR your CC card. >>
It's been posted here in the past that PP put a negative balance on someone's account when there was no balance to take from. They are not supposed to be able to access your linked accounts without your permission. >>
Must be ebay, since PayPal states only that they will 'undertake collection actions' in event of negative balance from disputes the seller loses.
10.2 Reimbursement for Your Liability. In the event that you are liable for any amounts owed to PayPal, PayPal may immediately remove such amounts from your Balance. If you do not have a Balance that is sufficient to cover your liability, your remaining Balance (if any) will be removed, your Account will have negative Balance up to the amount of your liability, and you will be required to immediately add funds to your Balance to eliminate the negative Balance. If you do not do so, PayPal may engage in collection efforts to recover such amounts from you. >>
But you just stated a couple posts ago that PP can ACH debit your linked bank or CC accounts so why wouldn't they just pull the deficient funds from those? Saw that you corrected that. >>
You need to read more carefully, Mr BAJJERRFAN...
The post you copied and replied to, (shown here,) was quoting PayPal's Regs, to show that indeed *you* were right, that in fact it was ebay, and not PayPal, that has access via ACH. (Whichever we use for our pmnts, we grant them the right to access, should we fail to pay.)
I didn't edit anything from my posts. I added a note saying "see below", referring to the above.
After you expressed doubt, I stated:
"I know for certain one of the two updated their terms..."
I then checked, found out you were right, and posted the PayPal reg, showing where I was wrong.
So if you're suggesting I edited something to make myself 'look better', obviously you're about 180 degrees off. >>
I wasn't suggesting anything. I saw that you made a change in one post and didn't read IIRC the one below that.
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Now that I no longer collect and have been considering selling my thought is to take the option of turning everything over to Great Collections.
As far as the original post on chargeback I am surprised the CC did not require first return of the '72 cent that was supposly delivered. I have had to go the charge back route and it is a 4 week wait and required signatures along with photos.
<< <i>PP can only take money from your account if there is money in there to take. I don't believe they can access your linked CC or bank accounts without your permission.
They can ACH the funds right out of your linked account OR your CC card. >>
It's been posted here in the past that PP put a negative balance on someone's account when there was no balance to take from. They are not supposed to be able to access your linked accounts without your permission.
<< <i>I think the OP was a "public announcement" to avoid business with what appears to be an alleged theft..........Now, the rest of the posts and digression into what flows downhill are really interesting, but unnecessary, as well as, any new rules regarding dealing on the BST. You guys are behaving like any government and one we need less of. You are looking to make another new law to gap the enforcement of the first and what's worse is you really and I INCLUDED don't know what Ebay and the CC or the parties will do or have done.
There are always stories here about PP and their tactics or lack thereof, etc. and so on and so forth. The stuff rolling downhill simply refers to A takes from B who takes from C, etc. In the OP situation, it defies common sense that the CC Company didn't require the buyer to return the 1972 Lincoln cent. Then again they paid out a large sum that they probably couldn't recover from the buyer so they were only covering their own ass.
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<< <i>PP can only take money from your account if there is money in there to take. I don't believe they can access your linked CC or bank accounts without your permission.
They can ACH the funds right out of your linked account OR your CC card. >>
It's been posted here in the past that PP put a negative balance on someone's account when there was no balance to take from. They are not supposed to be able to access your linked accounts without your permission. >>
Must be ebay, since PayPal states only that they will 'undertake collection actions' in event of negative balance from disputes the seller loses.
10.2 Reimbursement for Your Liability. In the event that you are liable for any amounts owed to PayPal, PayPal may immediately remove such amounts from your Balance. If you do not have a Balance that is sufficient to cover your liability, your remaining Balance (if any) will be removed, your Account will have negative Balance up to the amount of your liability, and you will be required to immediately add funds to your Balance to eliminate the negative Balance. If you do not do so, PayPal may engage in collection efforts to recover such amounts from you. >>
But you just stated a couple posts ago that PP can ACH debit your linked bank or CC accounts so why wouldn't they just pull the deficient funds from those? Saw that you corrected that.
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<< <i>There is a way at the post office where you can get some kind of certification of the item in the package - you literally pack the item in front of the postmaster and they certify what's in it similar to notarizing a document. On the receiving end, same thing, buyer opens package in front of the postmaster and signs off on the contents as described. >>
Never heard of this, tell me more. >>
You would have to check with your postmaster and see if they would be willing to do this with high value items. >>
I tried this before and it did not work with a Paypal charge-back. The BEST advise is to file a police report in your city and the city in which it was delivered (if you can). I had a hard time doing just that because i could not prove where the "crime" had been committed (a buyer said he didn't receive an $800 coin but he sure did).
The government is incapable of ever managing the economy. That is why communism collapsed. It is now socialism’s turn - Martin Armstrong
<< <i>Around 5 years ago I sold on Ebay a toned Walking Liberty Half. Seller claimed no delivery despite signature. Opened claim and Paypal dismissed it with proof of delivery. The same Einstein buyer later posted the same coin I sold him here on the forum bragging about how pretty it was and I called him out. That experience was aggrivating.
Now that I no longer collect and have been considering selling my thought is to take the option of turning everything over to Great Collections.
As far as the original post on chargeback I am surprised the CC did not require first return of the '72 cent that was supposly delivered. I have had to go the charge back route and it is a 4 week wait and required signatures along with photos. >>
While the peanut gallery keeps arguing with each other, people are missing the hidden nugget here.....
I'mwould LOVE to know which forum member pulled the BS mentioned above, including posting the stolen coin here on the forum.....
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
It's a shame that it's apparently so easy to rip people off via eBay/Pay Pal. I think the idea of the grading services putting a "Stolen Coin" alert when people put it the cert# of stolen coins is a really good one. It would at least give buyers a much easier way to find out if what their buying is stolen or not, and might also lead to some "bad guys" getting caught.
The problem with the video idea is that even if you video taped the packaging of the coins, how would the viewer know you didn't open and repackage the coins later when the package was removed from the view of the video (when you took the coins to the post office, for example.) Not sure it would work in court very well.
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<< <i>Around 5 years ago I sold on Ebay a toned Walking Liberty Half. Seller claimed no delivery despite signature. Opened claim and Paypal dismissed it with proof of delivery. The same Einstein buyer later posted the same coin I sold him here on the forum bragging about how pretty it was and I called him out. That experience was aggrivating.
Now that I no longer collect and have been considering selling my thought is to take the option of turning everything over to Great Collections.
As far as the original post on chargeback I am surprised the CC did not require first return of the '72 cent that was supposly delivered. I have had to go the charge back route and it is a 4 week wait and required signatures along with photos. >>
While the peanut gallery keeps arguing with each other, people are missing the hidden nugget here.....
I'mwould LOVE to know which forum member pulled the BS mentioned above, including posting the stolen coin here on the forum..... >>
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That was 2009 so images and some conversation is gone but you can figure it out after my post 5 down from top followed by responses on next pages.
Alleged lost coin magically appears
Danny Smith of Macon, Georgia, eBay user bearmanshunt83 <-------- is there any word on a handle for CU?? Im sure we would ALL like to know his CU handle...if there is one. Gotta out these thieves!!
Countless large & small dollar deals completed
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<< <i>PP can only take money from your account if there is money in there to take. I don't believe they can access your linked CC or bank accounts without your permission.
They can ACH the funds right out of your linked account OR your CC card. >>
It's been posted here in the past that PP put a negative balance on someone's account when there was no balance to take from. They are not supposed to be able to access your linked accounts without your permission. >>
Must be ebay, since PayPal states only that they will 'undertake collection actions' in event of negative balance from disputes the seller loses.
10.2 Reimbursement for Your Liability. In the event that you are liable for any amounts owed to PayPal, PayPal may immediately remove such amounts from your Balance. If you do not have a Balance that is sufficient to cover your liability, your remaining Balance (if any) will be removed, your Account will have negative Balance up to the amount of your liability, and you will be required to immediately add funds to your Balance to eliminate the negative Balance. If you do not do so, PayPal may engage in collection efforts to recover such amounts from you. >>
But you just stated a couple posts ago that PP can ACH debit your linked bank or CC accounts so why wouldn't they just pull the deficient funds from those? Saw that you corrected that. >>
You need to read more carefully, Mr BAJJERRFAN...
The post you copied and replied to, (shown here,) was quoting PayPal's Regs, to show that indeed *you* were right, that in fact it was ebay, and not PayPal, that has access via ACH. (Whichever we use for our pmnts, we grant them the right to access, should we fail to pay.)
I didn't edit anything from my posts. I added a note saying "see below", referring to the above.
After you expressed doubt, I stated:
"I know for certain one of the two updated their terms..."
I then checked, found out you were right, and posted the PayPal reg, showing where I was wrong.
So if you're suggesting I edited something to make myself 'look better', obviously you're about 180 degrees off. >>
I wasn't suggesting anything. I saw that you made a change in one post and didn't read IIRC the one below that.