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NEWP: GTG 1886-O Morgan, grade in first post.

blu62vetteblu62vette Posts: 11,941 ✭✭✭✭✭
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Picked up a coin for the set today at Long Beach. 1886-O Morgan, welcome any thoughts and opinions.

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Edit for grade:

The coin is graded PCGS 61PL. This is a very tough PL date with there being around 8 PCGS PL's and 10-12 PCGS DMPL's. At the show I put the coin next to a PCGS 61DMPL coin and they were night and day. This coin just has a clean look to it. As CalGold mentioned this is a tough MS coin and one that some consider tightly graded in MS. This date is not going to have a fantastic cameo PL like an 1880-S but in hand does have a good PL look to it.

This one lands in my set as the toughest coin I own along with my 1893-O PCGS 61PL.

Thanks for all your comments.
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  • lostincoinslostincoins Posts: 4,278 ✭
    Hey I like that Morgan and same as FTB 65PL
  • lasvegasteddylasvegasteddy Posts: 10,408 ✭✭✭
    changed my thought here

    65+ pl

    sweet example
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  • MeltdownMeltdown Posts: 8,921 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yep. 65PL - Nice coin.

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  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,883 ✭✭✭✭✭
    64dmpl
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  • BustHalfBrianBustHalfBrian Posts: 4,190 ✭✭✭✭
    62PL. The contrast is nice but the luster looks kind of flat.
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  • Timbuk3Timbuk3 Posts: 11,658 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Just to be different, 64+PL
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  • DennisHDennisH Posts: 14,010 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Has anyone noticed the date for heaven's sake? A 65 is one of the mega rarities in the Morgan series... and that's non-PL.
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  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,749 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I agree with DennisH- if this were a PL65 it would go for a boatload of money- probably a couple hundred thousand.

    This date is very tough to grade and it becomes even tougher from an image.

    MS62

    It is still a very attractive coin.

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  • lasvegasteddylasvegasteddy Posts: 10,408 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Has anyone noticed the date for heaven's sake? A 65 is one of the mega rarities in the Morgan series... and that's non-PL. >>


    good catch there dennis

    not my series here
    just grade guessing on a mediocre image to begin with...but
    but looking up price guide and value
    "YIKES"

    another coin surely with it's own very tight grading standards

    no way i'd still guess 65+ pl
    ms63 due to value of above and beyond .....<<< such a strange part of this hobby too and yes i won't quit my day job image
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  • WTCGWTCG Posts: 8,940 ✭✭✭
    I saw the coin so I already know the answer. Let's just say I believe the coin is properly graded. No trick answers here.

    Seriously though, that's an 1886-O, a date with two examples known in MS65 and none in MS65PL. If that was an MS65PL I'd be almost as interested in finding a way into Blu's bank account as I would into Kate Upton's pants.
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  • TwoBitWillyTwoBitWilly Posts: 75
    Nice coin tough date in ms.

    There's alot of them with this date in AU holders tough to get ms anything on a 86-o

    So it's either AU58 or MS62-63
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  • 7Jaguars7Jaguars Posts: 7,666 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Seen better in 62, so that would cap it. Not feeling the PL so much...
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  • Ajjohnson77Ajjohnson77 Posts: 481
    Ms64
  • LeeBoneLeeBone Posts: 4,553 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thoughts and opinions....

    Thought- I`d absolutely love to own that coin.

    Opinion- That has to be one of the best examples for this date/mm out there

    imageimage
  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,443 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If that was an MS65PL I'd be almost as interested in finding a way into Blu's bank account as I would into Kate Upton's pants.

    Nice one, WTCG. image

    Gotta be at least a 64 - nice coin! Congrats!! image
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  • TennesseeDaveTennesseeDave Posts: 4,800 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Very nice coin, but too many disturbances in the fields for anything higher than 63. Knowing how Pcgs grades this date, it probably is graded AU-58.
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  • 410a410a Posts: 1,325 ✭
    ......Tough date and it gets today's "tough coin market value grading" of MS 64+
  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    MS62 maybe 63..... enlarged image may be amplifying issues....Cheers, RickO
  • Vbowling299Vbowling299 Posts: 1,878 ✭✭✭
    MS63+PL
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  • HighReliefHighRelief Posts: 3,717 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looks to be MS63PL

    Nice pick up Todd image
  • GoldCoin98GoldCoin98 Posts: 403 ✭✭
    MS63


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  • IrishMikeyIrishMikey Posts: 1,561 ✭✭✭
    I am seeing dull areas on the hair over the ear, on the eyebrow, and on the lower curl, as well as on the eagle's breast.
    This date comes as "super-slider" as much as any other in the Morgan series. With the luster and the clean fields, I
    hate to say it, but I bet it is in an AU-58+ holder.

    This is why some AU-58 dollars are worth more than some MS-62 examples.
  • NumisOxideNumisOxide Posts: 10,997 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Im thinking MS62
    Tough date in MS

  • Desert MoonDesert Moon Posts: 5,971 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I agree with the 65PL crowd.

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  • RampageRampage Posts: 9,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    MS63 PL



  • CMCARTCMCART Posts: 1,409 ✭✭✭
    Looks great image
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  • keyman64keyman64 Posts: 15,521 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nice, congrats!
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  • jughead1893jughead1893 Posts: 1,712 ✭✭✭✭✭
    62
  • ajaanajaan Posts: 17,554 ✭✭✭✭✭
    64 DMPL

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  • CMCARTCMCART Posts: 1,409 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Looks great image >>



    PL MS-64 or 65
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  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,313 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It's 64ish and borderline PL.

    I'd go with 64 because that face is awfully clean and a good cameo. The cameo and semi-PL should over compensate for some field chatter. Very striking look in a tough date....and worth >$10K in MS64.
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  • Wabbit2313Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭

    AU58. Nice look!
  • MarkInDavisMarkInDavis Posts: 1,719 ✭✭✭✭
    64PL
    image Respectfully, Mark
  • SonorandesertratSonorandesertrat Posts: 5,695 ✭✭✭✭✭
    64 PL
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  • jcpingjcping Posts: 2,649 ✭✭✭
    AU58, sorry
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  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,219 ✭✭✭✭✭
    63PL. I like it!
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  • machoponchomachoponcho Posts: 355 ✭✭✭
    64DMPL
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  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭
    My impression from the pic is MS63 PL
  • CalGoldCalGold Posts: 2,608 ✭✭
    This date is almost nonexistent in gem, and PL and DMPL coins are very very scarce.

    If it were a different date it would be graded more leniently and might be 63+ or 64. But an 86-O is going to be graded tightly, and deservedly so since if a coin is going to fetch a steep price is must look worthy of the price.

    61 or 62 depends on how many scuffs/abrasions/spidery lines not seen in the photo are visible in the fields when rotated under a light, but still very nice notwithstanding that grade, and much much nicer than most Morgans at a like grade. Could be PL but also could be semi-PL. No real way to tell mirror depth from the photo

    Nice find.

    CG
  • blu62vetteblu62vette Posts: 11,941 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>This date is almost nonexistent in gem, and PL and DMPL coins are very very scarce.

    If it were a different date it would be graded more leniently and might be 63+ or 64. But an 86-O is going to be graded tightly, and deservedly so since if a coin is going to fetch a steep price is must look worthy of the price.

    61 or 62 depends on how many scuffs/abrasions/spidery lines not seen in the photo are visible in the fields when rotated under a light, but still very nice notwithstanding that grade, and much much nicer than most Morgans at a like grade. Could be PL but also could be semi-PL. No real way to tell mirror depth from the photo

    Nice find.

    CG >>



    This is a well thought out post. I will post the grade tomorrow. Feel free to post more guesses.
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  • OldIndianNutKaseOldIndianNutKase Posts: 2,715 ✭✭✭✭✭
    MS62DMPL.

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  • 3sidesofsilver3sidesofsilver Posts: 281 ✭✭✭
    I'm thinking low grade unc, probably MS60.
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  • nwcoastnwcoast Posts: 2,884 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm in the 63 PL camp.
    Lovely example of a tough date/mm.image

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  • DavideoDavideo Posts: 1,363 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>This date is almost nonexistent in gem, and PL and DMPL coins are very very scarce.

    If it were a different date it would be graded more leniently and might be 63+ or 64. But an 86-O is going to be graded tightly, and deservedly so since if a coin is going to fetch a steep price is must look worthy of the price. >>



    To me this is very sad that the grade is dependent on the date/rarity.
  • scubafuelscubafuel Posts: 1,925 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>This date is almost nonexistent in gem, and PL and DMPL coins are very very scarce.

    If it were a different date it would be graded more leniently and might be 63+ or 64. But an 86-O is going to be graded tightly, and deservedly so since if a coin is going to fetch a steep price is must look worthy of the price. >>



    To me this is very sad that the grade is dependent on the date/rarity. >>



    I don't understand that either. Sure it'll be "almost nonexistent" if they take a 64 coin and grade it 62 because of the date. Sort of self-fulfilling, no?

    The fact that all the guesses dropped by two grades after someone mentioned the significance of the date is telling.
  • Type2Type2 Posts: 13,985 ✭✭✭✭✭
    MS62+


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  • KoveKove Posts: 2,038 ✭✭✭✭
    The portrait looks like it could support a 64. However, there are too many deep hits in the fields to support that grade.

    MS 62PL
  • CoinJunkieCoinJunkie Posts: 8,772 ✭✭✭✭✭
    63PL
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  • 410a410a Posts: 1,325 ✭
    I know the significence of this date.........and I don't believe it's grading becomes tighter. I believe it's grading becomes not loose, but flaws and marks are more acceptable. That is why I wrote my initial post;"today's" "Market grading" This thread is tough though, you really don't have the coin in hand. I saw a Walker yesterday that I thought was a "proof" coin by the picture the OP used.
    Regardless, this 86-O is a nice coin.image

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