The disturbances in the fields are amplified because of the reflective properties, so judging from the images it's semi PL/PL imo. Grade? Well at a quick glance, I could see why one would go 65, on the flip side I could see why one would go 58. Is the flatness above the ear and breast from the minting process or is it wear? I'll wager 63PL but seeing it's a serious key date in MS maybe a + or a 64. Regardless of grade it's a wonderful example, don't make us wait to long Todd.
Geee . . . . you know if it isn't in a Doily I can't grade it !!!!!
61? Really? Hmmmm . . . .so. Point proven. I can't grade . . . . . I would have thought on a normal date, 64PL. On this date, a key-date penalty of 63PL.
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For all of you wondering at 61, remember what Todd said, this is an extremely tough coin in PL/DMPL and is graded as such. Personally, it does look really nice for a 61 in the pictures-but they are pictures after all.
<< <i>Good eye Todd, that is a serious steal at 61 pricing. >>
Perhaps, but if, as he said, the coin has the look of a higher grade coin and compares very favorably to others in that grade, "61 pricing" is not in the picture on this one.
<< <i>Good eye Todd, that is a serious steal at 61 pricing. >>
Perhaps, but if, as he said, the coin has the look of a higher grade coin and compares very favorably to others in that grade, "61 pricing" is not in the picture on this one. >>
I am not sure what 61 pricing would be. There were no relevant auction to compare to for the grade and a 62PL sold at fun for 6500.
I paid multiples of 61 sheet money. With such a low pop, I figure this is one of the coins I have one chance at.
I stand by my AU-58+ grade on this one. Given the overall look of the coin, the MS-61 PL appears to be an attempt to "net" the coin for value. They probably should have gone to MS-62 PL, if that was the case. No reason not to -- really eye-appealing example of a tough date. However, an 1886-O in MS-63 or MS-64 cannot have friction on the high points, which this coin does have, IMHO.
It would be interesting to see the various grades this coin would receive if it were submitted a dozen times to the grading services. I personally wouldn't have the nerve to crack it, but someone might...
<< <i>I stand by my AU-58+ grade on this one. Given the overall look of the coin, the MS-61 PL appears to be an attempt to "net" the coin for value. They probably should have gone to MS-62 PL, if that was the case. No reason not to -- really eye-appealing example of a tough date. However, an 1886-O in MS-63 or MS-64 cannot have friction on the high points, which this coin does have, IMHO.
It would be interesting to see the various grades this coin would receive if it were submitted a dozen times to the grading services. I personally wouldn't have the nerve to crack it, but someone might... >>
<< <i>I stand by my AU-58+ grade on this one. Given the overall look of the coin, the MS-61 PL appears to be an attempt to "net" the coin for value. They probably should have gone to MS-62 PL, if that was the case. No reason not to -- really eye-appealing example of a tough date. However, an 1886-O in MS-63 or MS-64 cannot have friction on the high points, which this coin does have, IMHO.
It would be interesting to see the various grades this coin would receive if it were submitted a dozen times to the grading services. I personally wouldn't have the nerve to crack it, but someone might... >>
If this were an AU58 coin it should have obvious wear on the cheek, hair over the ear, eagle's breast and upper wingtips, and the fields should be scuffy and chattered from end to end. I don't see that. That frost on Liberty's face is very fragile and should be the first to go if worn. Still looks fully frosty, unbroken, and rounded. Not only can't an MS63 and MS64 Morgan dollar not have friction on the high points, neither can a MS61 or MS62. These aren't graded like seated or bust dollars where high point rub is often acceptable in grades up to MS64. Morgans are graded like 20th century silver where no high point rub is acceptable in grades of 61 or higher. Even an MS63 or MS64 1886-0 is available enough (861 pieces total on the PCGS pop report) that they don't have to let the standards slip to create enough market supply.
Roadrunner, normally I would agree with you on Morgan $ grading and high point friction, but evidently NGC, PCGS and CAC all downgraded this for SOMETHING, as the coin looks WAY better than a 61. Pretty sure that the dullness I am seeing on the high points is friction. How that occurred without the usual circulation marks and luster impairment is another matter, and I have no easy explanation for that. Possibly some type of old-fashioned holder that let the coin slide around for many years?
Definitely not your typical Morgan $. No matter what you grade it, the overall eye appeal combined with the scarcity of the date/mm makes this coin a great acquisition for the OP.
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Grade? Well at a quick glance, I could see why one would go 65, on the flip side I could see why one would go 58.
Is the flatness above the ear and breast from the minting process or is it wear? I'll wager 63PL but seeing it's a serious key date in MS maybe a + or a 64.
Regardless of grade it's a wonderful example, don't make us wait to long Todd.
Drunner
<< <i>Can we get the grade before the Super Bowl ???????
Drunner >>
You haven't even guessed yet!
<< <i>Only a 61? C'mon, that's way too clean for a 61. >>
Yeah, must be a net grade.
Only a 61? C'mon, that's way too clean for a 61. >>
And some pretty nice breast feathers for an O mint
32d,32s,34d,35d,36d,37,37d,37s,38,38s,39s.
Geee . . . . you know if it isn't in a Doily I can't grade it !!!!!
61? Really? Hmmmm . . . .so. Point proven. I can't grade . . . . . I would have thought on a normal date, 64PL. On this date, a key-date penalty of 63PL.
Drunner
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<< <i>Good eye Todd, that is a serious steal at 61 pricing. >>
Perhaps, but if, as he said, the coin has the look of a higher grade coin and compares very favorably to others in that grade, "61 pricing" is not in the picture on this one.
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<< <i>Good eye Todd, that is a serious steal at 61 pricing. >>
Perhaps, but if, as he said, the coin has the look of a higher grade coin and compares very favorably to others in that grade, "61 pricing" is not in the picture on this one. >>
I am not sure what 61 pricing would be. There were no relevant auction to compare to for the grade and a 62PL sold at fun for 6500.
I paid multiples of 61 sheet money. With such a low pop, I figure this is one of the coins I have one chance at.
be an attempt to "net" the coin for value. They probably should have gone to MS-62 PL, if that was
the case. No reason not to -- really eye-appealing example of a tough date. However, an 1886-O in
MS-63 or MS-64 cannot have friction on the high points, which this coin does have, IMHO.
It would be interesting to see the various grades this coin would receive if it were submitted a dozen
times to the grading services. I personally wouldn't have the nerve to crack it, but someone might...
<< <i>I stand by my AU-58+ grade on this one. Given the overall look of the coin, the MS-61 PL appears to
be an attempt to "net" the coin for value. They probably should have gone to MS-62 PL, if that was
the case. No reason not to -- really eye-appealing example of a tough date. However, an 1886-O in
MS-63 or MS-64 cannot have friction on the high points, which this coin does have, IMHO.
It would be interesting to see the various grades this coin would receive if it were submitted a dozen
times to the grading services. I personally wouldn't have the nerve to crack it, but someone might... >>
The prior holder was a NGC 61PL CAC.
<< <i>I stand by my AU-58+ grade on this one. Given the overall look of the coin, the MS-61 PL appears to
be an attempt to "net" the coin for value. They probably should have gone to MS-62 PL, if that was
the case. No reason not to -- really eye-appealing example of a tough date. However, an 1886-O in
MS-63 or MS-64 cannot have friction on the high points, which this coin does have, IMHO.
It would be interesting to see the various grades this coin would receive if it were submitted a dozen
times to the grading services. I personally wouldn't have the nerve to crack it, but someone might... >>
If this were an AU58 coin it should have obvious wear on the cheek, hair over the ear, eagle's breast and upper wingtips, and the fields should be scuffy and chattered from end to end. I don't see that. That frost on Liberty's face is very fragile and should be the first to go if worn. Still looks fully frosty, unbroken, and rounded. Not only can't an MS63 and MS64 Morgan dollar not have friction on the high points, neither can a MS61 or MS62. These aren't graded like seated or bust dollars where high point rub is often acceptable in grades up to MS64. Morgans are graded like 20th century silver where no high point rub is acceptable in grades of 61 or higher. Even an MS63 or MS64 1886-0 is available enough (861 pieces total on the PCGS pop report) that they don't have to let the standards slip to create enough market supply.
NGC, PCGS and CAC all downgraded this for SOMETHING, as the coin looks WAY better than a 61.
Pretty sure that the dullness I am seeing on the high points is friction. How that occurred without the
usual circulation marks and luster impairment is another matter, and I have no easy explanation for that.
Possibly some type of old-fashioned holder that let the coin slide around for many years?
Definitely not your typical Morgan $. No matter what you grade it, the overall eye appeal combined with
the scarcity of the date/mm makes this coin a great acquisition for the OP.
<< <i> The coin is graded PCGS 61PL. >>
Is this a typo? That must be one deep hit on the reverse above the eagles head to make it a 61????
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<< <i> The coin is graded PCGS 61PL. >>
Is this a typo? That must be one deep hit on the reverse above the eagles head to make it a 61???? >>
I double checked, still in a 61 holder!