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  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,696 ✭✭✭✭✭
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  • MGLICKERMGLICKER Posts: 7,995 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Oh wait, you watch whole games of football from start to finish? Well, you should have just said so! You must be correct, then! My apologies, LOL! >>



    I dunno Grote, we were having a nice discussion regarding a debatable call. You want to make this personal, find a troll to forum wrestle with. I don't roll in the gutter.
  • CNoteCNote Posts: 2,070


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    << <i>I don't have time to explain the rule to you, Glicker, but you are mistaken in your account of what transpired. Like I said, ignorance is bliss. >>



    Yes. I must easily be the least informed NFL observer on the forum. The years and years of watching 3 or four games from start to finish was merely a waste of time as absolutely none of the experience stuck. Field ref must have really been a stooge as he was standing right there and blew the call.

    You can interpret the "rule" as you wish, but you are wrong.

    The good and bad of professional sports is that not all calls are easy to understand. Hang with it a while Grote and you will pick these things up! >>



    You're really outdoing yourself today. How on Earth does someone not understand a rule when 1) it is written and 2) example of this rule is caught on 20 cameras for the world to see? Yet, you remain here telling everyone they're wrong and we are interpreting the rule incorrectly.
  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Grote - let's get back to cases. How is catching the ball (no bobbling at all) and taking 3 steps not a catch.

    This rule you bring up is a pass completion rule........after dez took those steps it's a catch and he is a runner. Running rules should apply now.......right?
  • MGLICKERMGLICKER Posts: 7,995 ✭✭✭


    << <i>You're really outdoing yourself today. How on Earth does someone not understand a rule when 1) it is written and 2) example of this rule is caught on 20 cameras for the world to see? Yet, you remain here telling everyone they're wrong and we are interpreting the rule incorrectly. >>




    Will you not at least consider that this might be a close call or do you see it through Grote triple post, doofus glasses as cut and dried?
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,696 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>Oh wait, you watch whole games of football from start to finish? Well, you should have just said so! You must be correct, then! My apologies, LOL! >>



    I dunno Grote, we were having a nice discussion regarding a debatable call. You want to make this personal, find a troll to forum wrestle with. I don't roll in the gutter. >>



    Nothing personal about it. You simply don't understand the rule. That much is obvious despite your foolhardy claims to the contrary.


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  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,696 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>You're really outdoing yourself today. How on Earth does someone not understand a rule when 1) it is written and 2) example of this rule is caught on 20 cameras for the world to see? Yet, you remain here telling everyone they're wrong and we are interpreting the rule incorrectly. >>




    Will you not at least consider that this might be a close call or do you see it through Grote triple post, doofus glasses as cut and dried? >>



    Doofus? Really? Sounds like you are already rolling in the gutter.


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  • MGLICKERMGLICKER Posts: 7,995 ✭✭✭
    Meant to type Bi focal. Damn keyboard!


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  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,696 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Grote - let's get back to cases. How is catching the ball (no bobbling at all) and taking 3 steps not a catch.

    This rule you bring up is a pass completion rule........after dez took those steps it's a catch and he is a runner. Running rules should apply now.......right? >>



    If he caught the ball and took three steps without the ball touching the ground that would be correct. But that is not what happened.


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  • MGLICKERMGLICKER Posts: 7,995 ✭✭✭
    Well Grote, do you now have time to explain the rules? I have lit up a Cohiba and poured a snifter of Cognac.

    Please proceed.
  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,847 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Well Grote, do you now have time to explain the rules? I have lit up a Cohiba and poured a snifter of Cognac.

    Please proceed. >>



    By reading the past several posts it seems you and Dimeman have hit the bottle early today.

    Seriously, you are like a caveman.

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  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭
    So what part don't you understand or agree with Justacommenan? Or do you just blindly agree with a review ref that overturned a ref on the field that was standing right there.

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    Real cute FarveFan - Only it wasn't Rodgers who sent us home. It was the HOMIE review ref that took care of that.

    I'll bet you about puked when you saw that catch that beat you.....then went "thank you ref" when he blew the call!
  • FavreFan1971FavreFan1971 Posts: 3,103 ✭✭✭
    Nah, I knew from the first replay it would be overturned. Heck, anyone who knows the rules of football know you need to complete the process when going to ground.
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  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,847 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>So what part don't you understand or agree with Justacommenan? Or do you just blindly agree with a review ref that overturned a ref on the field that was standing right there.

    Please give us you wisdom!image >>



    I've stated it over and over. Reading is fundamental. You started this thread with the absolute absurdity that the play shouldnt even been reviewed! It's obvious no matter what, that anyone that reasons facts with you is wasting their time. You're impossible. Quite possibly you have your head so far up your behind that if we were to pull it out we wouldn't be able to read the name on the back of your Bob Lily throw back jersey.

    As for Glicker he wants to end instant replay period. I'm sure he longs for the days of leather helmets. What's even more comical he brings this up when instant replay actually worked. Close call, but the right call based on the rules. Again close but no cigar. The rule is bad but it's the rule just the same.

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  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭
    >>>Nah, I knew from the first replay it would be overturned. Heck, anyone who knows the rules of football know you need to complete the process when going to ground.<<<

    You had better watch that replay early in this thread again.

    He catches the ball with both hands comes down on his feet at the 5 yard line....takes 2 steps (at this point it is a catch) lunges pushing off with a foot. His first body contact is his elbow at which time the ball is almost on the goal line.

    It's a dead ball at that point....Dallas 1st and goal at the 1 inch line.......game Dallas. I think Murray get's 1 inch in 4 try's.

    Just look at the clip. It's a catch and run.... lunge at the end zone and everyone should be able to see that.

    I'm not disputing the process of going to the ground rule. He already had gone to the ground on his feet.....made the steps and lunge......then went to ground.

    Definite football move with football.
  • FavreFan1971FavreFan1971 Posts: 3,103 ✭✭✭


    << <i>>>>Nah, I knew from the first replay it would be overturned. Heck, anyone who knows the rules of football know you need to complete the process when going to ground.<<<

    You had better watch that replay early in this thread again.

    He catches the ball with both hands comes down on his feet at the 5 yard line....takes 2 steps (at this point it is a catch) lunges pushing off with a foot. His first body contact is his elbow at which time the ball is almost on the goal line.

    It's a dead ball at that point....Dallas 1st and goal at the 1 inch line.......game Dallas. I think Murray get's 1 inch in 4 try's.

    Just look at the clip. It's a catch and run.... lunge at the end zone and everyone should be able to see that.

    I'm not disputing the process of going to the ground rule. He already had gone to the ground on his feet.....made the steps and lunge......then went to ground.

    Definite football move with football. >>



    Ummm, wrong wrong and wrong.
  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,847 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>>>>Nah, I knew from the first replay it would be overturned. Heck, anyone who knows the rules of football know you need to complete the process when going to ground.<<<

    You had better watch that replay early in this thread again.

    He catches the ball with both hands comes down on his feet at the 5 yard line....takes 2 steps (at this point it is a catch) lunges pushing off with a foot. His first body contact is his elbow at which time the ball is almost on the goal line.

    It's a dead ball at that point....Dallas 1st and goal at the 1 inch line.......game Dallas. I think Murray get's 1 inch in 4 try's.

    Just look at the clip. It's a catch and run.... lunge at the end zone and everyone should be able to see that.

    I'm not disputing the process of going to the ground rule. He already had gone to the ground on his feet.....made the steps and lunge......then went to ground.

    Definite football move with football. >>



    In your mind this happened. It's what you want to see. That is the problem. Catch and run? Really? geez.......delusional

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  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,696 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>>>>Nah, I knew from the first replay it would be overturned. Heck, anyone who knows the rules of football know you need to complete the process when going to ground.<<<

    You had better watch that replay early in this thread again.

    He catches the ball with both hands comes down on his feet at the 5 yard line....takes 2 steps (at this point it is a catch) lunges pushing off with a foot. His first body contact is his elbow at which time the ball is almost on the goal line.

    It's a dead ball at that point....Dallas 1st and goal at the 1 inch line.......game Dallas. I think Murray get's 1 inch in 4 try's.

    Just look at the clip. It's a catch and run.... lunge at the end zone and everyone should be able to see that.

    I'm not disputing the process of going to the ground rule. He already had gone to the ground on his feet.....made the steps and lunge......then went to ground.

    Definite football move with football. >>



    First you say it was three steps, now you say two steps. The fact is, the ball touched the turf on his way down making the catch and by rule that is an incomplete pass. There was no "football move" after he tumbled into the end zone. Nothing else matters. The rule is clear and clearly stated. The head of NFL officiating and former VP of NFL officiating Mike Pereira BOTH said the reversal was correct. But we're supposed to take the word of a clearly biased Cowboy fan, instead? LOL! You got a gift from the refs last week~just be happy you even got as far as Lambeau. You got beat, plain and simple, and by a Packer team with a clearly limited Aaron Rodgers. In any case, as all you Cowboy fans were saying after last week's game, "One play does not lose a game," right? image

    If you want to place blame on anyone for the loss, blame Murray for fumbling AGAIN when he was on his way to a TD run.


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  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If he didn't take steps.......how did he get from the 5 yard line to the goal line???? That's 15 feet!image
  • Scottiec2288Scottiec2288 Posts: 911 ✭✭✭
    Dallas Cowboys are like Howard Stern! Most liked and most hated but whatever side your on you have to watch!!! Fudge packers need to fix that field, horrible!!! I for one will not be watching Any of the 2 games this weekend! It'll be in upper 40s great day to spend with my family!!
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,696 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>If he didn't take steps.......how did he get from the 5 yard line to the goal line???? That's 15 feet!image >>



    Momentum on the way down after running full speed. Guys fall forward 2-3 yards on a regular basis from a virtually still position by comparison after a short rushing attempt.


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  • FavreFan1971FavreFan1971 Posts: 3,103 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Dallas Cowboys are like Howard Stern! Most liked and most hated but whatever side your on you have to watch!!! Fudge packers need to fix that field, horrible!!! I for one will not be watching Any of the 2 games this weekend! It'll be in upper 40s great day to spend with my family!! >>



    When you can't beat 'em, make fun of them. I get it. You're jealous. The field has more natural grass than synthetic. That is typical playoff grass for us. Nothing you can do when the growing season is months past.

    I highly doubt you won't watch a minute of either game.
  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭
    >>> There was no "football move" after he tumbled into the end zone<<<

    Grote - pay attention. The football move 2 steps or 3 steps doesn't matter was "BEFORE" the tumble to the ground.

    He clearly had the ball when he came down on the 5 yard line! Geeze look at the %^$& clip!!!!!
  • FavreFan1971FavreFan1971 Posts: 3,103 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>If he didn't take steps.......how did he get from the 5 yard line to the goal line???? That's 15 feet!image >>



    Momentum on the way down after running full speed. Guys fall forward 2-3 yards on a regular basis from a virtually still position by comparison after a short rushing attempt. >>



    Dimeman (no caps) and physics don't agree.
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,696 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>>>> There was no "football move" after he tumbled into the end zone<<<

    Grote - pay attention. The football move 2 steps or 3 steps doesn't matter was "BEFORE" the tumble to the ground.

    He clearly had the ball when he came down on the 5 yard line! Geeze look at the %^$& clip!!!!! >>



    You are obviously not comprehending this simple fact so I will state it again:

    Once the ball touched the turf on his way down, it is an incomplete pass. Period. If you are arguing that the ball did not touch the turf, at least you'd have a valid argument, even though you'd were mistaken. If you disagree with the rule, fine, but the reversal was the correct ruling as BOTH the head of NFL officiating and former VP of NFL officiating Mike Pereira both confirmed. I don't know how much clear we can make this to you, but you also claimed that Cobb was clearly out of bounds on the long reception before the half, so obviously you have difficulty absorbing what you see and forming an objective opinion. That is an affliction shared by many Cowboy fans these days, LOL!


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  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Your are the blind one here.

    How did he go 15 feet without taking steps........which are clearly shown in the clip!
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,696 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Forget it, you're right, it was a catch. Dallas got jobbed. image


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  • Scottiec2288Scottiec2288 Posts: 911 ✭✭✭
    Nobody cares about GB except people from Wisconsin!!I don't care if you win or lose!!i think it was a great game and the play of the game was Murray's fumble. He scores on that run and was the reason Dallas lost.
  • FavreFan1971FavreFan1971 Posts: 3,103 ✭✭✭
    Can you imagine Dimeman on a jury? I think it would make a great episode of Law and Order.
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,696 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Nobody cares about GB except people from Wisconsin!!I don't care if you win or lose!!i think it was a great game and the play of the game was Murray's fumble. He scores on that run and was the reason Dallas lost. >>



    Finally, some semblance of reason from a Cowboy fan! That reminds me of jumbo shrimp!


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  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,696 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Can you imagine Dimeman on a jury? I think it would make a great episode of Law and Order. >>



    There is no way in the world he'd make it past the pre-trial screening. image

    Attorney: Your honor, the defendant had possession of the gun.

    Dimeman: How do we know it's not a knife?


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  • FavreFan1971FavreFan1971 Posts: 3,103 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Nobody cares about GB except people from Wisconsin!!I don't care if you win or lose!!i think it was a great game and the play of the game was Murray's fumble. He scores on that run and was the reason Dallas lost. >>



    agreed, that was the play that lost it for you.

    As for no one cares about the Pack outside of Wisconsin I would beg to differ. There are Apps for your smart phone to find the closest Packer bar to watch a game when you are on vacation. Heck you can find them outside of the country. I have a Packer tattoo and get comments on every vacation from Packer fans. We are everywhere. Born and raised in Green Bay and would not have it any other way. GO PACK!
  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Funny Grote - You didn't answer how he got the 15 feet before going down?

    Tell me your version of those 15 feet! image
  • galaxy27galaxy27 Posts: 7,887 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Rule 8.1.3:

    A forward pass is complete (by the offense) or intercepted (by the defense) if a player, who is inbounds:

    (a)secures control of the ball in his hands or arms prior to the ball touching the ground; and

    (b)touches the ground inbounds with both feet or with any part of his body other than his hands; and

    (c)maintains control of the ball long enough, after (a) and (b) have been fulfilled, to enable him to perform any act common to the game (i.e., maintaining control long enough to pitch it, pass it, advance with it, or avoid or ward off an opponent, etc.).


    "Maintains control of the ball long enough to enable him to perform any act common to the game" is the operative phrase. I still think Dez was attempting to extend his arm with the ball and score, otherwise he would have glued it to his belly as he came to the ground on 4th down. But before he could make a full-fledged attempt that would constitute a "football move," he ran out of air space. Awfully close, but incomplete.



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  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭
    He not only lunged, but took steps before the lunge with ball control all the way.

    How you can read those rules and not see it as a catch is just being a Cowboy hater.
  • FavreFan1971FavreFan1971 Posts: 3,103 ✭✭✭
    Rule 8.1.3:

    A forward pass is complete (by the offense) or intercepted (by the defense) if a player, who is inbounds:

    (a)secures control of the ball in his hands or arms prior to the ball touching the ground; and

    (b)touches the ground inbounds with both feet or with any part of his body other than his hands; and

    (c)maintains control of the ball long enough, after (a) and (b) have been fulfilled, to enable him to perform any act common to the game (i.e., maintaining control long enough to pitch it, pass it, advance with it, or avoid or ward off an opponent, etc.).
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,696 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>He not only lunged, but took steps before the lunge with ball control all the way.

    How you can read those rules and not see it as a catch is just being a Cowboy hater. >>



    The same refs who giftwrapped you guys a win the previous week vs Detroit now are Cowboy haters for correctly following the rule?


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  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,847 ✭✭✭✭✭
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