Cleaned or colored copper

justcollecting

I read through the cleaned and colored copper archive threads and couldn't find my answer. Wasn't sure if I should have resurrected an old thread so I started a new one. I have a 1851 large cent that I would consider ms 63 RB. My question is if it was cleaned or recolored would you still be able to see pinwheel luster?

lasvegasteddy

chemical cleaning with chemical recoloring
i'd think in some cases cartwheel luster would remain

all in the type and level of cleaning

Type2

Let's see a pic of it.

SoCalBigMark

It looks like this.

UtahCoin

Ouch

justcollecting

This is a test, Im hoping there is a image here somewhere.
I know the colors are off some, There is no gold on the coins I think it is being produce by the color of the room lighting. I found that if I took a picture from a further distance from the coin I got a more accurate image. I also added a white piece of paper around the coin, hoping to help correct the image. I dont think it helped much. From the various pictures you can see how the luster travels around the coin. After seeing such a close up of the coin I may havve been a little generous with my grade.

lasvegasteddy

a messed with copper coin
will only find itself in a genuine holder

"CLEANED & RE-COLORED"

the pinwheel luster could be a whizzed result

if ya can
go to a coin shop to look at some large cents in non problem holders
look at the color on those
look at what mint luster looks like on an in hand example

but that reverse "SCREAMS" colored
the front speaks loudly of whizzing or the likes

heritage auctions usually has great images to look at...but color is tricky in images
your images...boldly display it though

justcollecting

You really cant go by the color of the coin (especially on the reverse, its from the back ground lighting and lack of a quality camera.) Here is a link to a graded coin on ebay that is having a similar color issue but if you jog threw their images you can sell the luster rotate.

But you answered my question teddy. With a light cleaning and possibly chemical coloring you may still be able to see the pinwheel luster.

I dont know if I have this link thing figured out, but I do have posting images down. Hope theres a link here.

Thanks

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lasvegasteddy

that link worked fine...you're up n running here...good job
better imaging for sure but has me taking a step back on my position of it screaming...perhaps i'm wrong here

it's not the type of copper i'd feel comfortable with buying raw and hope of it grading....this example or the one on ebay
with my luck it would of bodybagged

yes some copper will bag one submission then get graded the next
early copper and grading has it's uncertainty about
especially in r/b

lighting can toss me for a loop for sure

peace

TwoSides2aCoin

Send it in. My hunches are always wrong in this dimension. If it goes AU you make out okay. If it's "genuine" it will be non gradeable. And you will have a better understanding than our words (any of them) could tell.

coinbuf

The obv does not look right and I suspect it would be called altered surfaces if you send it in, but nothing it 100% from photos.

Walkerguy21D

I agree with coinbuf.

Sonorandesertrat

Based on those photos, I would not spend money trying to get that coin into a graded slab.

ricko

Based on the pictures, I strongly suspect you will get a 'genuine' grade....Cheers, RickO

Elcontador

Those images scream "cleaned copper." Telltale signs are a dullish pink hue without cartwheel luster. Coin doctors can create RD copper (which will turn a month or so after the doctoring). That's why PCGS doesn't guarantee RD copper slabbed after 2009.