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Type2Type2 Posts: 13,985 ✭✭✭✭✭
Let's hear your story if you have one.

I have never been tossed out but have been ask are you cherrypicking me? I play dumb and say what is that and they say never mind. image


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  • morgansforevermorgansforever Posts: 8,470 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Not a great story but I did have a shop owner tell me, "There aren't any varieties or VAMs in that box". I tried to play it off like I was determining condition as I looked through my 5x glass. He didn't tell me to leave but felt compelled to make it known, your not getting one over on me.
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  • CameonutCameonut Posts: 7,361 ✭✭✭✭✭
    No - never been tossed. But some dealers make it tough on cherrypickers by "metering" the merchandise. For example, I usually will ask to look through their stack of silver proof sets - of course I am looking for BOTH cameos and varieties. Some dealers allow that and proudly proclaim that I will not find any cameos - forgetting there are valuable varieties as well. Other dealers will "meter" them to you one at a time - thus wasting his time and yours in an attempt to make it so uncomfortable that you leave without having to toss you.

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  • RampageRampage Posts: 9,511 ✭✭✭✭✭
    There have been threads posted in the past where someone said they were asked to leave because of cherrypicking.
  • "Other dealers will "meter" them to you one at a time "
    I think that is more to prevent "five finger discounts" and not
    to ward off c-pickers. I know too many dealers that are really
    paranoid about theft and will only hand one coin at a time.
  • BigDowgieBigDowgie Posts: 1,779 ✭✭✭✭
    Type2,

    I've been asked to leave a table by only one dealer and he sets up at the FUN Show every year. Every year I sit at this table and begin looking at Jeffersons waiting for him to ask me to leave. This cracks me up every time! It seems like if you are a coin dealer and set-up at coin shows you are opening up your table to all lookers. If you have not viewed the inventory you set out, then that is your bad, right? I would not doubt if some of you all have encounter this guy. Don't remember who he is, but maybe I'll jot it down and post his name/company?

    A couple years ago, another Jefferson guy, sat down and began looking at the Jeffersons right after the dealer kicked me off. I won't go into details, but they were both up in each others faces, talking very loudly and the dealer accused him of stealing coins, which was obviously not true. There was enough of a scene that the security crew came to the rescue....of who I'm not quite sure! I would like to get 10 people to do this all in a row! This guy should not be in this business if he won't let folks look through his coins, especially the 2X2 books laying out on his table. He should pull the special coins into his case.

    I will say that I did recall pulling a few nice coins from his books prior to his meltdown!

    Something I do tell dealers when they ask if I'm looking for Full Steppers or Varieties, I say I complete Dansco Book Sets and, yes if I find a Full Stepper of Variety I'm not going to leave it. I'll let them know what I find if they would like. They obviously take a look at the coins I purchase, but always let me do my thing, except for the one a-hole noted above.
  • jdimmickjdimmick Posts: 9,770 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Before I had opened my store, (which Now I no longer have) anyway, I used to stop in at the other dealer here in town and look thru his stuff he purchased. Not just for varieties, but for undergraded coins, coins that sell for way more than price guides, etc. I would bring them back and list them on ebay. He caught on to what I was doing , from both looking on ebay and other customers telling him what I was doing, so after that as soon as I would pull up to his shop, he hide the days take and tell me he hadn't bought nothing. I had seen him do it several times thru the window as I pulled in.
  • ms70ms70 Posts: 13,956 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I play dumb and say what is that and they say never mind. image >>



    That's pretty funny.

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  • tincuptincup Posts: 5,373 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Before I had opened my store, (which Now I no longer have) anyway, I used to stop in at the other dealer here in town and look thru his stuff he purchased. Not just for varieties, but for undergraded coins, coins that sell for way more than price guides, etc. I would bring them back and list them on ebay. He caught on to what I was doing , from both looking on ebay and other customers telling him what I was doing, so after that as soon as I would pull up to his shop, he hide the days take and tell me he hadn't bought nothing. I had seen him do it several times thru the window as I pulled in. >>



    Kind of odd how human mentality works sometimes. Guess the other dealer would prefer... not to make a sale.... than let you get a good deal! When you think about it, it really does not make much sense business wise.
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  • IrishMikeyIrishMikey Posts: 1,561 ✭✭✭
    A friend of mine picked a better variety Bust half from a local dealer a few years ago. After the coin was sold by my
    friend for about 20 times what he paid for it, he stopped by the dealer's shop, told him about it, and split the profit
    with the dealer! Ever since then he is welcomed into the shop with a smile, and has found a number of other goodies.

    A symbiotic relationship beats an adversarial one any day.
  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think I have been at the same table as BigDowgie at FUN. He said he doesn't allow cherrypicking and ask me to leave. Can't think of the dealers name.
  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,552 ✭✭✭✭✭
    No. I typically go in and ask specifically for what I'm looking for. If other items pique my interest, I may ask to take a closer look.

    Have had a few rude codgers L@@K at me like I was guilty of something. You know that LQQK. Stink EYE.
  • 1tommy1tommy Posts: 3,019 ✭✭✭✭✭
    My first ANA Chicago Show 2012. I walked up to this Dealers table and noticed a tray of Washington Quarters. I asked to see one of the coins and the Dealer pulled out the whole tray and set it down in front of me.

    I looked at the one coin and put it back and picked up another one and all of a sudden the Dealer runs over and Screams are you a Cherry Picker?

    Before I could even reply he grabs the tray and starts yelling how he hates cherrypickers and how They Ruin HIS business. Now of course there were people all around and this guys wife was giving me the evil eye and all I could do is get up and walk away.

    I was totally freaked out by what had happened. I did find out later that this guy has done this before with other members. I think he was out of Wisconsin. KesheQua Coins ?

    It totally blew me away that a Dealer was SO SCARED that everyone was going to cherrypick him and I could not understand why this Dealer refused to learn.

    Who would want to be a Dealer and wake up everyday Scared to sell any coins because of the cherrypickers? I avoid his table every time I see him now.............image
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  • I have never been asked to leave, but I have had two dealers refuse to do business with me. Strangely enough, this was for two different reasons.

    The first dealer at his B&M figured anything I wanted to buy was a rare find and deserved further examination by the dealer.
    However, I could get my revenge at the end of the month when he was trying to get his rent money together. Then there were bargains galore.

    The second time was at a show. The dealer had a nice roll of 1922 dollars. The chap ahead of me asked to go through the roll to cherrypick condition. He would pay $5 extra for any he selected. I offered to pay $5 extra if I could do like wise looking for the variant hub. He denied that any such thing existed and treated me like an insane person for even thinking such a thing existed. That variant is now a VAM.
  • <<Who would want to be a Dealer and wake up everyday Scared to sell any coins because of the cherrypickers? I avoid his table every time I see him now............. >>

    On the other hand I have met dealers who were anxious to sell me any cherrypicked coins I wanted. They would dig thru their inventory to find more of the dates I was looking at.
  • GritsManGritsMan Posts: 2,599 ✭✭✭
    I'm too impatient to cherry pick, but it strikes me as very odd that any dealer would be opposed. He's not going to make LESS by getting cherry picked, because he didn't see the VAM or whatever himself. At worst, he's going to make the sale he expected. I imagine the hostility comes from just being embarrassed. And I suppose this has all been discussed at length before...
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  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,313 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I never was banned from anywhere for trying to "cherry pick" them. And if you think about it, for the past 35 years I was always trying to find something that was worth more than I was asked to pay (ie a higher grade that the coin was assigned). On the flip side, when I've been set up at shows, I had numerous crack out dealers and up-graders who were more than welcome to look through my stuff for things I had under-estimated or just plain given up on. I'd have to say that I gave away more $$ upgrades than I got. Just part of the game. I did have a couple of local B&M's that would not show me all their fresh stuff as they would prefer to let their steady collectors/investors get something nice, possibly even up-gradeable. At least in that way they had a chance of that same item returning someday. Probably a large percentage of the coins I've sold to dealers over the past 30 years were "cherry picks." It's all on your frame of reference.

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  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,552 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I've never heard of violence against cherry pickers, although we read about how dastardly their deeds are, often online by those who think of it as RIPPING… as though it's a pervasive practice image

    Isn't the name of the game picking cherries ?
  • DavideoDavideo Posts: 1,363 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Before I had opened my store, (which Now I no longer have) anyway, I used to stop in at the other dealer here in town and look thru his stuff he purchased. Not just for varieties, but for undergraded coins, coins that sell for way more than price guides, etc. I would bring them back and list them on ebay. He caught on to what I was doing , from both looking on ebay and other customers telling him what I was doing, so after that as soon as I would pull up to his shop, he hide the days take and tell me he hadn't bought nothing. I had seen him do it several times thru the window as I pulled in. >>



    You think he'd just price the day's new purchases at retail+, then it's a win-win if you cherry pick him.
  • hchcoinhchcoin Posts: 4,836 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I've only had one experience where a dealer at the CSNS show did not want me to look for varieties with his bust quarters. I just laughed, said have a nice day, and went on to spend a couple grand at other dealer tables. Went back at the end of the show and the grumpy dealer still had all his bust quarters. It kind of felt like the scene from the movie Pretty Woman when Julia Roberts goes back to the store on Rodeo Drive with all the boxes of clothes and puts them in the snotty sales women's face and says something like, look at all the sales you could have made image
  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,255 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    Who would want to be a Dealer and wake up everyday Scared to sell any coins because of the cherrypickers? I avoid his table every time I see him now.............image >>



    Walk past his table/s REAL SLOW with a BIG magnifying glass in your hand.image
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  • jayPemjayPem Posts: 4,082 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I love these stories....the whole coin scene is hilariously kooky when you take half a step back image
    I would have a hard time believing that some coin dealers would behave this way, if I hadn't seen them for myself....spectacularly weird !
  • fcloudfcloud Posts: 12,133 ✭✭✭✭
    I've had the opposite. A local dealer asked me if I wanted to go through a five gallon bucket of Mercury Dimes to look for varieties. That is where I picked up my very first 1942-Inverted S Dime. That coin was certified by Michigan Masters.

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Never had that problem, but do not hunt VAM's....have had a dealer or two ask me what I was looking for while perusing his wares.... I just said 'trying to upgrade my set'....Cheers, RickO
  • DoubleEagle59DoubleEagle59 Posts: 8,377 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think if a dealer tosses out a customer for 'cherrypicking' it shows the dealer to be an idiot.

    If a dealer puts out a coin to sell, then it is there to be sold to anyone, regardless if it's a rare variety or not.

    Before offering the coin for sale, doesn't the dealer have ample time to resource the particular variety of coin?

    If he's so worried it's a rare variety then don't offer it for sale.

    I'm positive that turned the other way around (the dealer buying coins from a private individual) the dealer is the one trying to 'cherrypick' the entire lot of coins from the seller.

    I'm not complaining, nor do I think it's wrong.

    This is just business and anyone who says otherwise is, in my opinion, a hypocrite or a dreamer who has never been self-employed.

    edited to add: I re-read my post and I sound extremely grumpy. Actually, I'm having a great Xmas and I'd like to wish everyone a Happy New Year.

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  • 19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,492 ✭✭✭✭
    No but I've voluntarily left.

    One dealer puts out his mint and proof sets then doesn't let you look at them. To me, this makes no sense at all.
    Another Dealer seals his mint and proof sets in cellophane which makes no sense either since the prices are all on the high end. This fella must live in Reno where folks like to gamble.

    I'm of the opinion that as long as a collector is respectful of packaging and property, they should be allowed to look.
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  • WoodenJeffersonWoodenJefferson Posts: 6,491 ✭✭✭✭
    I've found most dealers to be accommodating, but some are just down right quarky.
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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,797 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I can understand a dealer's attitude concerning cherry picking proof sets and mint sets. If a dealer has a large stock of mint sets and proof sets and 50 or 60 collectors with dirty hands carelessly go through the sets looking for rare varieties such as no S mintmarks, can you imagine what the packaging eventually looks like? It's not so much the cherry picking as it's the repeated handling of these sets and the toll it takes on the packaging.

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  • ColonelJessupColonelJessup Posts: 6,442 ✭✭✭✭✭
    As a crack-out player, I've heard that complaint from other dealers, and have simply responded "So charge me more". But I've always bought really neat product from them too, so it's a lost sale if they're taking a shot with a coin that doesn't have more than another 25% of upside. But there's usually money moving in one direction or another.

    As you may already have the technical skills of cherry-picking, be aware of the people and business skills of the "courtesy purchase" when you can't find anything else. You just took up someone's time, space, and attention.

    Made a score on a grade or variety? You don't have to tell the guy you bought it from why you're happy. The next time you see him, just offer him something too cheap for it not be useful to his inventory. It's called a "two-way street" . . . image
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  • JCMhoustonJCMhouston Posts: 5,306 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Kind of odd how human mentality works sometimes. Guess the other dealer would prefer... not to make a sale.... than let you get a good deal! >>



    Actually I don't think that's it at all. I'm not a dealer, but several I know just don't want to have someone sit down taking up valuable space going through a couple of hundred proof sets to see if there is one they want to buy for $5. Or going through hundreds of Jefferson nickels that are 2 for a Dollar.

    I don't think any of them would mind if you bought them all, took them home, and spent a week searching through each one with a loupe. But floor space at a show is valuable (even a small local store), and when you sit there for 30 minutes or an hour they lose that many potential customers, just waiting to see if you are going to spend $5. So if you want to search through hundreds of proof sets to see if you can make a score, just go buy a few hundred and search away.
  • SanctionIISanctionII Posts: 12,561 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have never been tossed out of a BM or from a table at a show (for those of you who have met me you would know that it would be impossible for a dealer to "toss" me at allimage).

    I have received treatment from dealers at shows and shops that run the gamut of the entire spectrum from:

    a. having a dealer ask me what I am looking for and when I ask to look through proof sets, SMS sets or mint sets (or singles of these coins) that he has in stock I am told "they are all the same", "they are in the back and I will not spend the time to pull them out", "what year are you looking for, I will get only one for you", "you will not find any Cameos or varieties in them so why waste your time and my time", "Cameos and varieties are worthless and I do not bother with them", "I pre screen these sets, pull out those with Cameos or varieties and sell them to specialist dealers only for 2.5 times bid";

    b. having a dealer ask me what I am looking for and when I ask to look through proof sets, SMS sets or mint sets (or singles of these coins) the dealer then asks me what I am looking for and I tell him that I am upgrading a raw collection of these sets from 1950-1970 and look in the wild for suitable upgrade coins [after which the dealer lets me look at his inventory];

    c. same as b. above but I tell the dealer I am looking for Cameo examples of these coins to upgrade my raw collection [after which the dealer lets me look at his inventory;

    d. same as b. and c. above except I tell the dealer that for a suitable upgrade I will "pay up" for same [after which the dealer lets me look at his inventory];

    e. same as c. above and I pull out a portion of my collection [i.e. a Capital Holder with my best Cameo proof Franklins from 1950-1963, plus the 1956 Type 1 one sided Cameo and the 1961 DDR possible Cameo varieties that I have] and show it to the dealer and explain that I have hunted for and found them raw over the years and want to upgrade with better examples [after which the dealer lets me look through his inventory and after which the dealer asks me to tell him all about my quest to assemble the collection and after which the dealer tells me that he will keep an eye out for these coins for me and set them aside for me to look at the next time I see him].

    Some dealers are down right hostile about collectors who like to hunt for the occasional cherry hiding hiding amongst the dross and dreck. When I get the message from a dealer that he does not want to do business with collectors who are knowledgeable I try to break through to him and make him an ally who can help me and make money from me. If that does not succeed then I go elsewhere and do not waste my time. For those dealers who are not hostile, they either view the coins I look for as widgets that are all the same (and thus sell to me at a widget price), or they appreciate that the coins I look for stand out above run of the mill examples of same and they enjoy helping me build my collection. These dealers I like to do business with.

  • 19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,492 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I can understand a dealer's attitude concerning cherry picking proof sets and mint sets. If a dealer has a large stock of mint sets and proof sets and 50 or 60 collectors with dirty hands carelessly go through the sets looking for rare varieties such as no S mintmarks, can you imagine what the packaging eventually looks like? It's not so much the cherry picking as it's the repeated handling of these sets and the toll it takes on the packaging. >>

    And I can understand your understanding but I am always very careful not to damage packaging.

    I have had dealers allow me to go through EVERYTHING without complaint because, you see, they are not selling packaging. They are selling coins and the only way to determine if you want to buy their products is by looking at the coins.

    Much the same as going through a box of 2x2's. I actually "cringe" when a dealer hands over a box and the staples have not been crimped down. With those, I take extra care to NOT damage other coins while replacing the 2x2's into the box. If the box is literally STUFFED Full, I'll pull out stacks of coins.

    If, by chance, something does get damaged, I'll buy it.

    I don't pander to other collectors and I do not expect to be pandered to. I know what I am looking for and I know what I want. If I am not allowed to look, I'll just move along.
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  • darktonedarktone Posts: 8,437 ✭✭✭
    I have been kicked out of shows for lots of reasons. Only got kicked out of two shops though. image
  • BigDowgieBigDowgie Posts: 1,779 ✭✭✭✭
    1tommy....I think this is the guy! Wisconsin. KesheQua Coins

    I can only laugh and wonder how he stays in business. I guess he deals with a lot of people that don't care what their coins look like.
  • GreeniejrGreeniejr Posts: 1,321 ✭✭✭
    This is the case for everything but it is all about relationships. The better your relationship with the dealer, the more likely things won't go poorly. Here is an example. Take Madmarty, I know exactly what he is doing when he asks to look at proof sets/SMS. He is also friendly, respectful, does not damage the boxes and when he finds something worthwhile he buys it and does not nickel and dime me. He can look through whatever he wants. Same kind of thing with guys like Michael Fahey who asks to look at Morgans. Its pretty obvious that he is looking for VAMS but he is respectful so if he picks me, fantastic. On the other hand, you have people who come to the table and say, "can I look at all of your 1878 8TF Morgans?" that might result in a comment like what variety are you looking for as I attribute all of them. Maybe its just me but I am totally cool with cherrypickers so long as they are honest and respectful.
  • WildIdeaWildIdea Posts: 1,877 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Never been kicked out, but there was one shop in town where the owner wouldn't show me any of the books behind his counter. "Can I take a peak at that binder labeled Mexico?" "Nah, nothing very good in there". OK, no prob......like what has been said, guess he knows I pay attention, so that kind of makes me feel good.

    Other dealers around know what I specialize in and call me or set stuff back. I've verified some great stuff for dealers and they treat me well on ALL my purchases. Most respect my grading eye. Even non collectors turn to me because they know I collect and trust me more than just going to a random shop and getting wailed on. That's cool!
  • SanctionIISanctionII Posts: 12,561 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Courtesy and respect go a long way.

    Dealers who allow a collector to look through his stock are doing the collector a big favor. The collector should appreciate the dealer and be grateful.

    If I get a chance to look through dealer stock I:

    1. Do not do so in a manner or location where I interrupt or prevent others from doing business with the dealer (I ask to be able to look at stock in a location that is out of the way and that does not block others)

    2. Do so at a time when the dealer is not busy with others;

    3. Pay careful attention to packaging and never do anything that would damage the packaging or the coins in same;

    4. Put the stock I look at back into the same order it was given to me by the dealer (or I make it better by putting sets in mint cello only into empty OGP packaging after bringing it to the attention of the dealer and asking permission);

    5. Do not spread the stock out all over the place in the B&M Shop or the dealer's show table/cases so that I do not take up too much space;

    6. Set aside the items I am interested in and quickly return the items I am not interested in back to the dealer;

    7. Never take stock out of the dealer's cases unless I ask and am given permission to do so;

    8. Never, ever, open sealed OGP sets (and never ask the dealer if I can do so), I simply pass on them unless I feel like throwing the dice [I did this once with 4-5 1959 proof sets and all of the sets, once opened, were fugly]; ;

    9. For those sets that I buy (because they contain cherries) I never dicker on the price asked by the dealer. I say yes or no to his asking price;

    10. Always state to the dealer that I really appreciate the he is willing to let me look through his stock.
  • GreeniejrGreeniejr Posts: 1,321 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Courtesy and respect go a long way.

    Dealers who allow a collector to look through his stock are doing the collector a big favor. The collector should appreciate the dealer and be grateful.

    If I get a chance to look through dealer stock I:

    1. Do not do so in a manner or location where I interrupt or prevent others from doing business with the dealer (I ask to be able to look at stock in a location that is out of the way and that does not block others)

    2. Do so at a time when the dealer is not busy with others;

    3. Pay careful attention to packaging and never do anything that would damage the packaging or the coins in same;

    4. Put the stock I look at back into the same order it was given to me by the dealer (or I make it better by putting sets in mint cello only into empty OGP packaging after bringing it to the attention of the dealer and asking permission);

    5. Do not spread the stock out all over the place in the B&M Shop or the dealer's show table/cases so that I do not take up too much space;

    6. Set aside the items I am interested in and quickly return the items I am not interested in back to the dealer;

    7. Never take stock out of the dealer's cases unless I ask and am given permission to do so;

    8. Never, ever, open sealed OGP sets (and never ask the dealer if I can do so), I simply pass on them unless I feel like throwing the dice [I did this once with 4-5 1959 proof sets and all of the sets, once opened, were fugly]; ;

    9. For those sets that I buy (because they contain cherries) I never dicker on the price asked by the dealer. I say yes or no to his asking price;

    10. Always state to the dealer that I really appreciate the he is willing to let me look through his stock. >>



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  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,809 ✭✭✭✭✭
    At shows, I have seen collectors spreading their reference material on the dealer's table covering display cases. It really is hard to see coins through reference material. This is just an all around bad practice.

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  • winkywinky Posts: 1,671
    Dealers don't want you to know more than them and most of them don't care about most varieties especially my kind (Roosevelt dimes). Haven't been ask to leave but they want to know what you are looking for and then they say I don't have any of those.
  • GRANDAMGRANDAM Posts: 8,740 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I went to a local shop years ago,,,,,, guy won't put chairs out in his shop or at shows,,,,, doesn't want people loitering. I asked to look at Mint Sets,,,, he asked why?

    I said I wanted nice coins and would pay extra for sets that I picked out. He reculantly brought out the modern mint sets. I spent an hour or so looking with the owner standing right there watching me every second. I had a plie of 16 sets picked out and he asked what I was looking for so I told him,,,, it was FS Jefferson Nickels.

    I asked him what I owed for the sets I had picked and he took them away and refused to sell them to me so I left. I called once asking what he was paying for gold 1st spouse coins and he quoted me a price which was less than half of melt at the time? I asked him,,,, you do know these are a 1/2 oz of .999 gold to be sure we understood each other and he knew.

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    GrandAm :)
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,797 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I went to a local shop years ago,,,,,, guy won't put chairs out in his shop or at shows,,,,, doesn't want people loitering. I asked to look at Mint Sets,,,, he asked why?

    I said I wanted nice coins and would pay extra for sets that I picked out. He reculantly brought out the modern mint sets. I spent an hour or so looking with the owner standing right there watching me every second. I had a plie of 16 sets picked out and he asked what I was looking for so I told him,,,, it was FS Jefferson Nickels.

    I asked him what I owed for the sets I had picked and he took them away and refused to sell them to me so I left. I called once asking what he was paying for gold 1st spouse coins and he quoted me a price which was less than half of melt at the time? I asked him,,,, you do know these are a 1/2 oz of .999 gold to be sure we understood each other and he knew.

    I have never been back. image

    GrandAm image >>



    So much for treating the coin dealer with honesty and respect.image
    This is why a new collector needs to find a good dealer to work with. Unfortunately there are many sharks out there.


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  • OuthaulOuthaul Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If a dealer doesn't have enough interest to take the time to cherry his own stuff, he/she is not entitled to complain about or boot cherry-pickers.

    Just my eversohumble opinion.

    Cheers,

    Bob
  • whoa thats crazy! ive never been in a situation that it wasnt allowed, lol.

    i have a small collection, a coin of each type really. but everytime i look to fill my collection... i look for varieties and key dates first!

    i just cant imagine someone not offering or getting mad at you cherrypicking, isnt that why were all here? =P
    -------------------------------------

    im new to collecting still, but now im sitting on certain pieces that i only dreamed of before. quality over quanity for sure!
  • TreashuntTreashunt Posts: 6,747 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I think I have been at the same table as BigDowgie at FUN. He said he doesn't allow cherrypicking and ask me to leave. Can't think of the dealers name. >>



    was it Ira?

    He is from NY and is not nice
    Frank

    BHNC #203

  • garrynotgarrynot Posts: 1,874 ✭✭✭
    I was in Corpus Christi once and saw a B&M by chance. He had a number of books of raw Morgan's. I asked to look thru some particular dates. I was just looking for some E clashes. I found an 88-O in AU and he was very inquisitive about why I wanted that particular coin. That was the extent of it.

    I live in Chicago and I was looking for a different B&M To visit. I found one on the South Side. I live nowhere near there. I went thru a revolving door and was trapped inside by two guys behind the cases. I got peppered with 3 or 4 questions. What's your name. What can we do for you. What do you collect. What are you looking for. I answered all the questions. Finally I said, I've had enough I want to leave. So they unlocked the door and I left.
  • ChangeInHistoryChangeInHistory Posts: 3,084 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I was at the 2011(?) ANA Worlds Fair of Money, walked up to a dealers table, and asked to see some high grade Roosevelts, some that are very tough in FB. The dealer almost shouted out "you're not going to cherrypick me!" I thought, ok, you're setting up at a MAJOR show, and you're worried about being cherrypicked on a Roosevelt dime? Come on, man! That particular bozo is permanantly crossed off the list.
  • cmerlo1cmerlo1 Posts: 7,956 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yes. The worst for me was a dealer in San Antonio, who owns a B&M on the Riverwalk and attends shows all over Texas. He seems to utterly despise cherrypickers. It started with him and his table people being rude- I was asked to change seats several times at a show, and finally got moved to the very edge of the table. At a later show he told me I couldn't look at his stuff anymore. A fellow VAMmer friend of mine looked through a couple boxes of slabs, and when he asked for another one, he told him he'd seen enough. We had both spent plenty of money with him over the years.

    Another San Antonio B&M (not Alamo Heights Coins) asked my friend and I not to come by. We had been making trips from Austin to that shop on a monthly basis, and my friend had called to see if they had gotten in any new Morgans. He was told that we shouldn't come there any more- they don't want us cherrypicking and we don't spend enough money. This was perplexing, because between the 2 of us, we spent over 3k the last time we were there.

    Another show dealer let me look at his coins, then told me they weren't for sale when I went to pay for them.

    Aside from these dealers, I've had a lot of positive experiences. I'm friends with most of the dealers in the area, and have even been asked to help with going through large lots they bought to look for varieties, with a share of the profits for whatever I find. There are also some who tell me they don't care what I find- they're going to sell the coins to someone, it doesn't matter who.
    You Suck! Awarded 6/2008- 1901-O Micro O Morgan, 8/2008- 1878 VAM-123 Morgan, 9/2022 1888-O VAM-1B3 H8 Morgan | Senior Regional Representative- ANACS Coin Grading. Posted opinions on coins are my own, and are not an official ANACS opinion.
  • Type2Type2 Posts: 13,985 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Wow some of the storys are way out of line. I never been tossed out or ask to leave. But you do get that eye till you get some cash flowing. They know this is a need to look knida hobby. I think they wont buy coins with out looking at them so why do they get upset when we look to buy them? You know it's knida funny how if you don't have total control you lose it one way or another. image


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  • My store is picked all the time, I buy stuff, price it and put it out to sell..
    I usually ask guys what they are looking for, then I will help them look..
    More power to them :-)
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  • OldEastsideOldEastside Posts: 4,602 ✭✭✭✭✭
    >>

    But you do get that eye till you get some cash flowing. >>



    Hehe never tossed but have had the eye many times

    Steve
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