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Any one ever get tossed out of a B/M or off a table for Cherrypicking?

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I have never been tossed out but have been ask are you cherrypicking me? I play dumb and say what is that and they say never mind.
I have never been tossed out but have been ask are you cherrypicking me? I play dumb and say what is that and they say never mind.

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“In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock." - Thomas Jefferson
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I think that is more to prevent "five finger discounts" and not
to ward off c-pickers. I know too many dealers that are really
paranoid about theft and will only hand one coin at a time.
I've been asked to leave a table by only one dealer and he sets up at the FUN Show every year. Every year I sit at this table and begin looking at Jeffersons waiting for him to ask me to leave. This cracks me up every time! It seems like if you are a coin dealer and set-up at coin shows you are opening up your table to all lookers. If you have not viewed the inventory you set out, then that is your bad, right? I would not doubt if some of you all have encounter this guy. Don't remember who he is, but maybe I'll jot it down and post his name/company?
A couple years ago, another Jefferson guy, sat down and began looking at the Jeffersons right after the dealer kicked me off. I won't go into details, but they were both up in each others faces, talking very loudly and the dealer accused him of stealing coins, which was obviously not true. There was enough of a scene that the security crew came to the rescue....of who I'm not quite sure! I would like to get 10 people to do this all in a row! This guy should not be in this business if he won't let folks look through his coins, especially the 2X2 books laying out on his table. He should pull the special coins into his case.
I will say that I did recall pulling a few nice coins from his books prior to his meltdown!
Something I do tell dealers when they ask if I'm looking for Full Steppers or Varieties, I say I complete Dansco Book Sets and, yes if I find a Full Stepper of Variety I'm not going to leave it. I'll let them know what I find if they would like. They obviously take a look at the coins I purchase, but always let me do my thing, except for the one a-hole noted above.
<< <i>I play dumb and say what is that and they say never mind.
That's pretty funny.
Great transactions with oih82w8, JasonGaming, Moose1913.
<< <i>Before I had opened my store, (which Now I no longer have) anyway, I used to stop in at the other dealer here in town and look thru his stuff he purchased. Not just for varieties, but for undergraded coins, coins that sell for way more than price guides, etc. I would bring them back and list them on ebay. He caught on to what I was doing , from both looking on ebay and other customers telling him what I was doing, so after that as soon as I would pull up to his shop, he hide the days take and tell me he hadn't bought nothing. I had seen him do it several times thru the window as I pulled in. >>
Kind of odd how human mentality works sometimes. Guess the other dealer would prefer... not to make a sale.... than let you get a good deal! When you think about it, it really does not make much sense business wise.
friend for about 20 times what he paid for it, he stopped by the dealer's shop, told him about it, and split the profit
with the dealer! Ever since then he is welcomed into the shop with a smile, and has found a number of other goodies.
A symbiotic relationship beats an adversarial one any day.
Have had a few rude codgers L@@K at me like I was guilty of something. You know that LQQK. Stink EYE.
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I looked at the one coin and put it back and picked up another one and all of a sudden the Dealer runs over and Screams are you a Cherry Picker?
Before I could even reply he grabs the tray and starts yelling how he hates cherrypickers and how They Ruin HIS business. Now of course there were people all around and this guys wife was giving me the evil eye and all I could do is get up and walk away.
I was totally freaked out by what had happened. I did find out later that this guy has done this before with other members. I think he was out of Wisconsin. KesheQua Coins ?
It totally blew me away that a Dealer was SO SCARED that everyone was going to cherrypick him and I could not understand why this Dealer refused to learn.
Who would want to be a Dealer and wake up everyday Scared to sell any coins because of the cherrypickers? I avoid his table every time I see him now.............
I used to be famous now I just collect coins.
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Varieties Are The Spice Of LIFE and Thanks to Those who teach us what to search For.
The first dealer at his B&M figured anything I wanted to buy was a rare find and deserved further examination by the dealer.
However, I could get my revenge at the end of the month when he was trying to get his rent money together. Then there were bargains galore.
The second time was at a show. The dealer had a nice roll of 1922 dollars. The chap ahead of me asked to go through the roll to cherrypick condition. He would pay $5 extra for any he selected. I offered to pay $5 extra if I could do like wise looking for the variant hub. He denied that any such thing existed and treated me like an insane person for even thinking such a thing existed. That variant is now a VAM.
On the other hand I have met dealers who were anxious to sell me any cherrypicked coins I wanted. They would dig thru their inventory to find more of the dates I was looking at.
Isn't the name of the game picking cherries ?
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<< <i>Before I had opened my store, (which Now I no longer have) anyway, I used to stop in at the other dealer here in town and look thru his stuff he purchased. Not just for varieties, but for undergraded coins, coins that sell for way more than price guides, etc. I would bring them back and list them on ebay. He caught on to what I was doing , from both looking on ebay and other customers telling him what I was doing, so after that as soon as I would pull up to his shop, he hide the days take and tell me he hadn't bought nothing. I had seen him do it several times thru the window as I pulled in. >>
You think he'd just price the day's new purchases at retail+, then it's a win-win if you cherry pick him.
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Who would want to be a Dealer and wake up everyday Scared to sell any coins because of the cherrypickers? I avoid his table every time I see him now.............
Walk past his table/s REAL SLOW with a BIG magnifying glass in your hand.
I would have a hard time believing that some coin dealers would behave this way, if I hadn't seen them for myself....spectacularly weird !
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If a dealer puts out a coin to sell, then it is there to be sold to anyone, regardless if it's a rare variety or not.
Before offering the coin for sale, doesn't the dealer have ample time to resource the particular variety of coin?
If he's so worried it's a rare variety then don't offer it for sale.
I'm positive that turned the other way around (the dealer buying coins from a private individual) the dealer is the one trying to 'cherrypick' the entire lot of coins from the seller.
I'm not complaining, nor do I think it's wrong.
This is just business and anyone who says otherwise is, in my opinion, a hypocrite or a dreamer who has never been self-employed.
edited to add: I re-read my post and I sound extremely grumpy. Actually, I'm having a great Xmas and I'd like to wish everyone a Happy New Year.
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One dealer puts out his mint and proof sets then doesn't let you look at them. To me, this makes no sense at all.
Another Dealer seals his mint and proof sets in cellophane which makes no sense either since the prices are all on the high end. This fella must live in Reno where folks like to gamble.
I'm of the opinion that as long as a collector is respectful of packaging and property, they should be allowed to look.
The name is LEE!
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"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
As you may already have the technical skills of cherry-picking, be aware of the people and business skills of the "courtesy purchase" when you can't find anything else. You just took up someone's time, space, and attention.
Made a score on a grade or variety? You don't have to tell the guy you bought it from why you're happy. The next time you see him, just offer him something too cheap for it not be useful to his inventory. It's called a "two-way street" . . .
<< <i>Kind of odd how human mentality works sometimes. Guess the other dealer would prefer... not to make a sale.... than let you get a good deal! >>
Actually I don't think that's it at all. I'm not a dealer, but several I know just don't want to have someone sit down taking up valuable space going through a couple of hundred proof sets to see if there is one they want to buy for $5. Or going through hundreds of Jefferson nickels that are 2 for a Dollar.
I don't think any of them would mind if you bought them all, took them home, and spent a week searching through each one with a loupe. But floor space at a show is valuable (even a small local store), and when you sit there for 30 minutes or an hour they lose that many potential customers, just waiting to see if you are going to spend $5. So if you want to search through hundreds of proof sets to see if you can make a score, just go buy a few hundred and search away.
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I have received treatment from dealers at shows and shops that run the gamut of the entire spectrum from:
a. having a dealer ask me what I am looking for and when I ask to look through proof sets, SMS sets or mint sets (or singles of these coins) that he has in stock I am told "they are all the same", "they are in the back and I will not spend the time to pull them out", "what year are you looking for, I will get only one for you", "you will not find any Cameos or varieties in them so why waste your time and my time", "Cameos and varieties are worthless and I do not bother with them", "I pre screen these sets, pull out those with Cameos or varieties and sell them to specialist dealers only for 2.5 times bid";
b. having a dealer ask me what I am looking for and when I ask to look through proof sets, SMS sets or mint sets (or singles of these coins) the dealer then asks me what I am looking for and I tell him that I am upgrading a raw collection of these sets from 1950-1970 and look in the wild for suitable upgrade coins [after which the dealer lets me look at his inventory];
c. same as b. above but I tell the dealer I am looking for Cameo examples of these coins to upgrade my raw collection [after which the dealer lets me look at his inventory;
d. same as b. and c. above except I tell the dealer that for a suitable upgrade I will "pay up" for same [after which the dealer lets me look at his inventory];
e. same as c. above and I pull out a portion of my collection [i.e. a Capital Holder with my best Cameo proof Franklins from 1950-1963, plus the 1956 Type 1 one sided Cameo and the 1961 DDR possible Cameo varieties that I have] and show it to the dealer and explain that I have hunted for and found them raw over the years and want to upgrade with better examples [after which the dealer lets me look through his inventory and after which the dealer asks me to tell him all about my quest to assemble the collection and after which the dealer tells me that he will keep an eye out for these coins for me and set them aside for me to look at the next time I see him].
Some dealers are down right hostile about collectors who like to hunt for the occasional cherry hiding hiding amongst the dross and dreck. When I get the message from a dealer that he does not want to do business with collectors who are knowledgeable I try to break through to him and make him an ally who can help me and make money from me. If that does not succeed then I go elsewhere and do not waste my time. For those dealers who are not hostile, they either view the coins I look for as widgets that are all the same (and thus sell to me at a widget price), or they appreciate that the coins I look for stand out above run of the mill examples of same and they enjoy helping me build my collection. These dealers I like to do business with.
<< <i>I can understand a dealer's attitude concerning cherry picking proof sets and mint sets. If a dealer has a large stock of mint sets and proof sets and 50 or 60 collectors with dirty hands carelessly go through the sets looking for rare varieties such as no S mintmarks, can you imagine what the packaging eventually looks like? It's not so much the cherry picking as it's the repeated handling of these sets and the toll it takes on the packaging. >>
And I can understand your understanding but I am always very careful not to damage packaging.
I have had dealers allow me to go through EVERYTHING without complaint because, you see, they are not selling packaging. They are selling coins and the only way to determine if you want to buy their products is by looking at the coins.
Much the same as going through a box of 2x2's. I actually "cringe" when a dealer hands over a box and the staples have not been crimped down. With those, I take extra care to NOT damage other coins while replacing the 2x2's into the box. If the box is literally STUFFED Full, I'll pull out stacks of coins.
If, by chance, something does get damaged, I'll buy it.
I don't pander to other collectors and I do not expect to be pandered to. I know what I am looking for and I know what I want. If I am not allowed to look, I'll just move along.
The name is LEE!
I can only laugh and wonder how he stays in business. I guess he deals with a lot of people that don't care what their coins look like.
Other dealers around know what I specialize in and call me or set stuff back. I've verified some great stuff for dealers and they treat me well on ALL my purchases. Most respect my grading eye. Even non collectors turn to me because they know I collect and trust me more than just going to a random shop and getting wailed on. That's cool!
Dealers who allow a collector to look through his stock are doing the collector a big favor. The collector should appreciate the dealer and be grateful.
If I get a chance to look through dealer stock I:
1. Do not do so in a manner or location where I interrupt or prevent others from doing business with the dealer (I ask to be able to look at stock in a location that is out of the way and that does not block others)
2. Do so at a time when the dealer is not busy with others;
3. Pay careful attention to packaging and never do anything that would damage the packaging or the coins in same;
4. Put the stock I look at back into the same order it was given to me by the dealer (or I make it better by putting sets in mint cello only into empty OGP packaging after bringing it to the attention of the dealer and asking permission);
5. Do not spread the stock out all over the place in the B&M Shop or the dealer's show table/cases so that I do not take up too much space;
6. Set aside the items I am interested in and quickly return the items I am not interested in back to the dealer;
7. Never take stock out of the dealer's cases unless I ask and am given permission to do so;
8. Never, ever, open sealed OGP sets (and never ask the dealer if I can do so), I simply pass on them unless I feel like throwing the dice [I did this once with 4-5 1959 proof sets and all of the sets, once opened, were fugly]; ;
9. For those sets that I buy (because they contain cherries) I never dicker on the price asked by the dealer. I say yes or no to his asking price;
10. Always state to the dealer that I really appreciate the he is willing to let me look through his stock.
<< <i>Courtesy and respect go a long way.
Dealers who allow a collector to look through his stock are doing the collector a big favor. The collector should appreciate the dealer and be grateful.
If I get a chance to look through dealer stock I:
1. Do not do so in a manner or location where I interrupt or prevent others from doing business with the dealer (I ask to be able to look at stock in a location that is out of the way and that does not block others)
2. Do so at a time when the dealer is not busy with others;
3. Pay careful attention to packaging and never do anything that would damage the packaging or the coins in same;
4. Put the stock I look at back into the same order it was given to me by the dealer (or I make it better by putting sets in mint cello only into empty OGP packaging after bringing it to the attention of the dealer and asking permission);
5. Do not spread the stock out all over the place in the B&M Shop or the dealer's show table/cases so that I do not take up too much space;
6. Set aside the items I am interested in and quickly return the items I am not interested in back to the dealer;
7. Never take stock out of the dealer's cases unless I ask and am given permission to do so;
8. Never, ever, open sealed OGP sets (and never ask the dealer if I can do so), I simply pass on them unless I feel like throwing the dice [I did this once with 4-5 1959 proof sets and all of the sets, once opened, were fugly]; ;
9. For those sets that I buy (because they contain cherries) I never dicker on the price asked by the dealer. I say yes or no to his asking price;
10. Always state to the dealer that I really appreciate the he is willing to let me look through his stock. >>
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Experience the World through Numismatics...it's more than you can imagine.
I said I wanted nice coins and would pay extra for sets that I picked out. He reculantly brought out the modern mint sets. I spent an hour or so looking with the owner standing right there watching me every second. I had a plie of 16 sets picked out and he asked what I was looking for so I told him,,,, it was FS Jefferson Nickels.
I asked him what I owed for the sets I had picked and he took them away and refused to sell them to me so I left. I called once asking what he was paying for gold 1st spouse coins and he quoted me a price which was less than half of melt at the time? I asked him,,,, you do know these are a 1/2 oz of .999 gold to be sure we understood each other and he knew.
I have never been back.
GrandAm
<< <i>I went to a local shop years ago,,,,,, guy won't put chairs out in his shop or at shows,,,,, doesn't want people loitering. I asked to look at Mint Sets,,,, he asked why?
I said I wanted nice coins and would pay extra for sets that I picked out. He reculantly brought out the modern mint sets. I spent an hour or so looking with the owner standing right there watching me every second. I had a plie of 16 sets picked out and he asked what I was looking for so I told him,,,, it was FS Jefferson Nickels.
I asked him what I owed for the sets I had picked and he took them away and refused to sell them to me so I left. I called once asking what he was paying for gold 1st spouse coins and he quoted me a price which was less than half of melt at the time? I asked him,,,, you do know these are a 1/2 oz of .999 gold to be sure we understood each other and he knew.
I have never been back.
GrandAm
So much for treating the coin dealer with honesty and respect.
This is why a new collector needs to find a good dealer to work with. Unfortunately there are many sharks out there.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Just my eversohumble opinion.
Cheers,
Bob
i have a small collection, a coin of each type really. but everytime i look to fill my collection... i look for varieties and key dates first!
i just cant imagine someone not offering or getting mad at you cherrypicking, isnt that why were all here? =P
im new to collecting still, but now im sitting on certain pieces that i only dreamed of before. quality over quanity for sure!
<< <i>I think I have been at the same table as BigDowgie at FUN. He said he doesn't allow cherrypicking and ask me to leave. Can't think of the dealers name. >>
was it Ira?
He is from NY and is not nice
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I live in Chicago and I was looking for a different B&M To visit. I found one on the South Side. I live nowhere near there. I went thru a revolving door and was trapped inside by two guys behind the cases. I got peppered with 3 or 4 questions. What's your name. What can we do for you. What do you collect. What are you looking for. I answered all the questions. Finally I said, I've had enough I want to leave. So they unlocked the door and I left.
Another San Antonio B&M (not Alamo Heights Coins) asked my friend and I not to come by. We had been making trips from Austin to that shop on a monthly basis, and my friend had called to see if they had gotten in any new Morgans. He was told that we shouldn't come there any more- they don't want us cherrypicking and we don't spend enough money. This was perplexing, because between the 2 of us, we spent over 3k the last time we were there.
Another show dealer let me look at his coins, then told me they weren't for sale when I went to pay for them.
Aside from these dealers, I've had a lot of positive experiences. I'm friends with most of the dealers in the area, and have even been asked to help with going through large lots they bought to look for varieties, with a share of the profits for whatever I find. There are also some who tell me they don't care what I find- they're going to sell the coins to someone, it doesn't matter who.
Hoard the keys.
I usually ask guys what they are looking for, then I will help them look..
More power to them :-)
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But you do get that eye till you get some cash flowing. >>
Hehe never tossed but have had the eye many times
Steve