<< <i>I play dumb and say what is that and they say never mind. >>
That's pretty funny. >>
I tried that once while counting cards at some dive casino in downtown Vegas. I was one of the only people in the casino and had the pit boss' complete attention. Except he didn't respond "nevermind"! Nothing interesting happened after that. I was just told I was no longer welcome to play their blackjack game.
ive never got tossed from a table but certainly have got some dirty looks. i wonder how they would like a dirty look after were done saying " darned, nothing cherry picked" just saying is all
A smart dealer will sell you the coins and then ask you to teach him about the cherries you just picked. If he doesn't learn then the next guy will do the same thing. Just toss some business to the dealers you cherry pick; they need it a much as a big profit on sale.
Dealers who allow a collector to look through his stock are doing the collector a big favor. The collector should appreciate the dealer and be grateful.
If I get a chance to look through dealer stock I:
1. Do not do so in a manner or location where I interrupt or prevent others from doing business with the dealer (I ask to be able to look at stock in a location that is out of the way and that does not block others)
2. Do so at a time when the dealer is not busy with others;
3. Pay careful attention to packaging and never do anything that would damage the packaging or the coins in same;
4. Put the stock I look at back into the same order it was given to me by the dealer (or I make it better by putting sets in mint cello only into empty OGP packaging after bringing it to the attention of the dealer and asking permission);
5. Do not spread the stock out all over the place in the B&M Shop or the dealer's show table/cases so that I do not take up too much space;
6. Set aside the items I am interested in and quickly return the items I am not interested in back to the dealer;
7. Never take stock out of the dealer's cases unless I ask and am given permission to do so;
8. Never, ever, open sealed OGP sets (and never ask the dealer if I can do so), I simply pass on them unless I feel like throwing the dice [I did this once with 4-5 1959 proof sets and all of the sets, once opened, were fugly]; ;
9. For those sets that I buy (because they contain cherries) I never dicker on the price asked by the dealer. I say yes or no to his asking price;
10. Always state to the dealer that I really appreciate the he is willing to let me look through his stock. >>
If only more "cherry pickers" adopted your philosophy there wouldn't be as many problems. The thing is, in my experience at least, few do so. I can tell you lots of stories of wasted time, mixed up and damaged inventory, etc. Pickers (and non pickers for that matter) need to realize that they have no particular entitlement to rummage through someone's inventory just because it exists. Quick story- I had put together a nice group of Morgans for a customer and had them sitting on the back counter...a known local dollar picker happened to come in, noticed the coins, and, long story short, demanded to look through them even though I explained, twice, that they were sold. Any guesses as to whether he was successful?
When a picker comes to our table or into our store, we make sure that they can clearly see that we own the same books they do; this cuts down on a lot of wasted time right there. ...but, if I miss something and someone scores, good for them-I should have done my homework better I suppose. But don't take up two hours of my time going through hundreds of coins to find one piece, or-way more often than not, no piece at all.
Most pickers assume the dealer is afraid someone will make a buck on them; some may, but by and large that's not the case. It's more about wasted time for no gain. Even if I don't have anyone else in the store I still have things to do...and frankly they're invariably more important than babysitting someone spending a lot of time going through stock clearly looking for something I know for a fact isn't in there.
Dealers who allow a collector to look through his stock are doing the collector a big favor. The collector should appreciate the dealer and be grateful.
If I get a chance to look through dealer stock I:
1. Do not do so in a manner or location where I interrupt or prevent others from doing business with the dealer (I ask to be able to look at stock in a location that is out of the way and that does not block others)
2. Do so at a time when the dealer is not busy with others;
3. Pay careful attention to packaging and never do anything that would damage the packaging or the coins in same;
4. Put the stock I look at back into the same order it was given to me by the dealer (or I make it better by putting sets in mint cello only into empty OGP packaging after bringing it to the attention of the dealer and asking permission);
5. Do not spread the stock out all over the place in the B&M Shop or the dealer's show table/cases so that I do not take up too much space;
6. Set aside the items I am interested in and quickly return the items I am not interested in back to the dealer;
7. Never take stock out of the dealer's cases unless I ask and am given permission to do so;
8. Never, ever, open sealed OGP sets (and never ask the dealer if I can do so), I simply pass on them unless I feel like throwing the dice [I did this once with 4-5 1959 proof sets and all of the sets, once opened, were fugly]; ;
9. For those sets that I buy (because they contain cherries) I never dicker on the price asked by the dealer. I say yes or no to his asking price;
10. Always state to the dealer that I really appreciate the he is willing to let me look through his stock. >>
You would be a Great addition to the ANA Board........
I have seen dealers get rid of pickers from their tables at shows, sometimes politely and at other times more aggressive / forceful.
Usually it involves asking the picker if he is going to buy anything and if not just taking the junk box and putting it on the back table. Or a dealer might practice a form of junk box management where the material in the junk box is limited to x pieces which are replaced as they sell down. In this way someone spending an inordinate amount of time sifting thru a junk box for a pick is blocked. The purpose of a junk box is to sell low dollar high markup items to assault the show expense Goliath. A good show combined with good junk box sales can pay a dealers expenses. So for obvious reasons pickers are deselected from the table population once their intent is known.
I don't do junk boxes at the present time as I feel this detracts from the material in my cases and can result in security problems along with the possibility of people blocking my cases. Coin club meetings can be a good place for junk boxes. I do bring 10c and 25c valued junk coins to shows to hand out to kids for free to encourage their interest in collecting. Many shows I have slabbed coins stacked six deep in one case with stacks of currency in another so really no room to play the JB game. Don't be afraid to ask the picker what he is looking for or if anything to sell. Some of the really good pickers will buy material to justify their existence at the table avoiding getting booted.
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<< <i>I play dumb and say what is that and they say never mind.
That's pretty funny. >>
I tried that once while counting cards at some dive casino in downtown Vegas. I was one of the only people in the casino and had the pit boss' complete attention. Except he didn't respond "nevermind"! Nothing interesting happened after that. I was just told I was no longer welcome to play their blackjack game.
you just picked. If he doesn't learn then the next guy will do the same thing. Just toss
some business to the dealers you cherry pick; they need it a much as a big profit on sale.
<< <i>Courtesy and respect go a long way.
Dealers who allow a collector to look through his stock are doing the collector a big favor. The collector should appreciate the dealer and be grateful.
If I get a chance to look through dealer stock I:
1. Do not do so in a manner or location where I interrupt or prevent others from doing business with the dealer (I ask to be able to look at stock in a location that is out of the way and that does not block others)
2. Do so at a time when the dealer is not busy with others;
3. Pay careful attention to packaging and never do anything that would damage the packaging or the coins in same;
4. Put the stock I look at back into the same order it was given to me by the dealer (or I make it better by putting sets in mint cello only into empty OGP packaging after bringing it to the attention of the dealer and asking permission);
5. Do not spread the stock out all over the place in the B&M Shop or the dealer's show table/cases so that I do not take up too much space;
6. Set aside the items I am interested in and quickly return the items I am not interested in back to the dealer;
7. Never take stock out of the dealer's cases unless I ask and am given permission to do so;
8. Never, ever, open sealed OGP sets (and never ask the dealer if I can do so), I simply pass on them unless I feel like throwing the dice [I did this once with 4-5 1959 proof sets and all of the sets, once opened, were fugly]; ;
9. For those sets that I buy (because they contain cherries) I never dicker on the price asked by the dealer. I say yes or no to his asking price;
10. Always state to the dealer that I really appreciate the he is willing to let me look through his stock. >>
If only more "cherry pickers" adopted your philosophy there wouldn't be as many problems. The thing is, in my experience at least, few do so.
I can tell you lots of stories of wasted time, mixed up and damaged inventory, etc. Pickers (and non pickers for that matter) need to realize that they have no particular entitlement to rummage through someone's inventory just because it exists. Quick story- I had put together a nice group of Morgans for a customer and had them sitting on the back counter...a known local dollar picker happened to come in, noticed the coins, and, long story short, demanded to look through them even though I explained, twice, that they were sold. Any guesses as to whether he was successful?
When a picker comes to our table or into our store, we make sure that they can clearly see that we own the same books they do; this cuts down on a lot of wasted time right there.
...but, if I miss something and someone scores, good for them-I should have done my homework better I suppose. But don't take up two hours of my time going through hundreds of coins to find one piece, or-way more often than not, no piece at all.
Most pickers assume the dealer is afraid someone will make a buck on them; some may, but by and large that's not the case. It's more about wasted time for no gain. Even if I don't have anyone else in the store I still have things to do...and frankly they're invariably more important than babysitting someone spending a lot of time going through stock clearly looking for something I know for a fact isn't in there.
JMHO
RIP Mom- 1932-2012
<< <i>Courtesy and respect go a long way.
Dealers who allow a collector to look through his stock are doing the collector a big favor. The collector should appreciate the dealer and be grateful.
If I get a chance to look through dealer stock I:
1. Do not do so in a manner or location where I interrupt or prevent others from doing business with the dealer (I ask to be able to look at stock in a location that is out of the way and that does not block others)
2. Do so at a time when the dealer is not busy with others;
3. Pay careful attention to packaging and never do anything that would damage the packaging or the coins in same;
4. Put the stock I look at back into the same order it was given to me by the dealer (or I make it better by putting sets in mint cello only into empty OGP packaging after bringing it to the attention of the dealer and asking permission);
5. Do not spread the stock out all over the place in the B&M Shop or the dealer's show table/cases so that I do not take up too much space;
6. Set aside the items I am interested in and quickly return the items I am not interested in back to the dealer;
7. Never take stock out of the dealer's cases unless I ask and am given permission to do so;
8. Never, ever, open sealed OGP sets (and never ask the dealer if I can do so), I simply pass on them unless I feel like throwing the dice [I did this once with 4-5 1959 proof sets and all of the sets, once opened, were fugly]; ;
9. For those sets that I buy (because they contain cherries) I never dicker on the price asked by the dealer. I say yes or no to his asking price;
10. Always state to the dealer that I really appreciate the he is willing to let me look through his stock. >>
You would be a Great addition to the ANA Board........
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Usually it involves asking the picker if he is going to buy anything and if not just taking the junk box and putting it on the back table. Or a dealer might practice a form of junk box management where the material in the junk box is limited to x pieces which are replaced as they sell down. In this way someone spending an inordinate amount of time sifting thru a junk box for a pick is blocked. The purpose of a junk box is to sell low dollar high markup items to assault the show expense Goliath. A good show combined with good junk box sales can pay a dealers expenses. So for obvious reasons pickers are deselected from the table population once their intent is known.
I don't do junk boxes at the present time as I feel this detracts from the material in my cases and can result in security problems along with the possibility of people blocking my cases. Coin club meetings can be a good place for junk boxes. I do bring 10c and 25c valued junk coins to shows to hand out to kids for free to encourage their interest in collecting. Many shows I have slabbed coins stacked six deep in one case with stacks of currency in another so really no room to play the JB game. Don't be afraid to ask the picker what he is looking for or if anything to sell. Some of the really good pickers will buy material to justify their existence at the table avoiding getting booted.