1901-S Barber Quarter real??

millennium · December 21, 2014 8:49AM

A guy I know found this with a metal detector, (his story) any thoughts?

BustHalfBrian · December 21, 2014 8:56AM

I suspect his story is fabricated. I wouldn't believe it was found with a metal detector unless I was there when he dug it up.

I say no good. But just out of curiosity, what does it weigh?

Unknown · December 21, 2014 9:09AM

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millennium · December 21, 2014 9:17AM

Thanks !

Walkerguy21D · December 21, 2014 9:22AM

Has the appearance of a cast coin to me.....but I supposed a real coin subjected to acid could cause a similar appearance.

I don't necessarily put much weight on the date and mint mark positions verifying authenticity....assuming a genuine coin was
used as the template, the fake would have identical positioning. Now if a genuine non 01S quarter were altered, those factors
would be far more important.

Rampage · December 21, 2014 9:23AM

I would not rule out a purposely damaged cast counterfeit. Does it compare well to the genuine, sure. But, as BustHalfBrian said, I would not believe it unless I was there myself and the person dug it up. And even then...

amwldcoin · December 21, 2014 9:26AM

<< Has the appearance of a cast coin to me.....but I supposed a real coin subjected to acid could cause a similar appearance.

I don't necessarily put much weight on the date and mint mark positions verifying authenticity....assuming a genuine coin was
used as the template, the fake would have identical positioning. Now if a genuine non 01S quarter were altered, those factors
would be far more important. >>

If you don't put weight on the date positioning on an 01-S quarter you are subject to buying a good fake!

jdimmick · December 21, 2014 9:27AM

I know acid degrades a tad, actually a lot,. but too me the s is not right. Position maybe, but shape/size is off.

amwldcoin · December 21, 2014 9:29AM

<< I know acid degrades a tad, actually a lot,. but too me the s is not right. Position maybe, but shape/size is off. >>

My thought's also. It has definitely been substantially eroded away if it is a genuine coin.

millennium · December 21, 2014 9:37AM

The S didn't look right to me either....but my experience with these is pretty weak.

Walkerguy21D · December 21, 2014 10:14AM

<< << Has the appearance of a cast coin to me.....but I supposed a real coin subjected to acid could cause a similar appearance.

I don't necessarily put much weight on the date and mint mark positions verifying authenticity....assuming a genuine coin was
used as the template, the fake would have identical positioning. Now if a genuine non 01S quarter were altered, those factors
would be far more important. >>

If you don't put weight on the date positioning on an 01-S quarter you are subject to buying a good fake! >>

Wow - Really???
What I meant was, just because someone shows pictures that THIS coin, or any other, has positioning that matches a genuine one,
doesn't mean it's genuine.
So I guess I could say, just because this coin does have the right positioning, does that confirm that it's genuine???

Davideo · December 21, 2014 10:46AM

<< 

<< << Has the appearance of a cast coin to me.....but I supposed a real coin subjected to acid could cause a similar appearance.

I don't necessarily put much weight on the date and mint mark positions verifying authenticity....assuming a genuine coin was
used as the template, the fake would have identical positioning. Now if a genuine non 01S quarter were altered, those factors
would be far more important. >>

If you don't put weight on the date positioning on an 01-S quarter you are subject to buying a good fake! >>

Wow - Really???
What I meant was, just because someone shows pictures that THIS coin, or any other, has positioning that matches a genuine one,
doesn't mean it's genuine.
So I guess I could say, just because this coin does have the right positioning, does that confirm that it's genuine??? >>

WalkerGuy, I think most folks were able to understand your original point.

amwldcoin · December 21, 2014 11:41AM

<< 

<< << Has the appearance of a cast coin to me.....but I supposed a real coin subjected to acid could cause a similar appearance.

I don't necessarily put much weight on the date and mint mark positions verifying authenticity....assuming a genuine coin was
used as the template, the fake would have identical positioning. Now if a genuine non 01S quarter were altered, those factors
would be far more important. >>

If you don't put weight on the date positioning on an 01-S quarter you are subject to buying a good fake! >>

Wow - Really???
What I meant was, just because someone shows pictures that THIS coin, or any other, has positioning that matches a genuine one,
doesn't mean it's genuine.
So I guess I could say, just because this coin does have the right positioning, does that confirm that it's genuine??? >>

The 1st thing to look at on an 01-S quarter is the date positioning! That was my point!

ckrakowski · December 21, 2014 11:48AM

is your friend Dr.Tones from treasurenet.com?

pcgs69 · December 21, 2014 1:14PM

<< is your friend Dr.Tones from treasurenet.com? >>

Was wondering if someone would post this coin on here. Been watching the Treasurenet thread

AUandAG · December 21, 2014 1:54PM

too many cast pimples, like under W in front of forehead, behind hair in front of stars, on the
neck...
back away.

bob

CaptHenway · December 21, 2014 3:29PM

I can't tell from the pictures. Needs to be seen by a major TPG.

Treashunt · December 22, 2014 5:39AM

sorry, highly suspect

Cacoinguy · December 22, 2014 6:32AM

IMHO - not genuine

segoja · December 22, 2014 7:21AM

AS others have pointed out, too many raised pimples on both sides. Without having the coin in hand, I would cast counterfeit made using a real coin. Detail is pretty good. If truly fake it's a pretty good one, but my bet is fake

VamCollector · December 22, 2014 7:25AM

I would say no. Looks cast.

Manorcourtman · December 22, 2014 7:29AM

Looks made to deceive.

BillJones · December 22, 2014 7:51AM

Weakness shows on the highest parts of the design plus the granular surfaces say cast counterfeit to me. From the pictures I would pass. My opinion might be different I saw it in person.

DennisH · December 22, 2014 7:52AM

<< Looks made to deceive. >>

Yep.

coinkat · December 22, 2014 7:57AM

pass

luckybucks · December 22, 2014 8:45AM

I had posted that I thought this coin was real, but had second thoughts as to its genuineness, because of the denticles near "In God".

I used a completely non vulgar Irish Gaelic 19th century terminology (originally caog) referring to the in question denticles, and my posts were blocked.

I suppose if I cannot speak freely (following Natural Law (do no harm)), I probably should not post on the forums anymore.

telephoto1 · December 22, 2014 9:09AM

Fake, no question. Take a good look at the date. The spacing between 9 and 0 in particular is too wide, and the mintmark, though close, is the wrong "font", if you will. Also, lettering is thinner overall than on a genuine.
I've seen a couple similar to this and suspect artificially aged Asian fakes.

Elcontador · December 22, 2014 9:43AM

If it's a cast counterfeit, drop the coin on the ground and listen for the 'ping' sound. Different metallic content - which is the case with the cast counterfeits I've seen - results in a different 'ping' sound.

I had a very good fake 1875 CC Trade $ I got from Vietnam, and this was the only way the powers that be could determine the coin was a fake.

The above being said, as Walkerguy wrote, the gap between the 9 and 0 seems a bit too wide. I also remember re the 1909 S IHC and Lincoln Cents, the S mint mark appeared to be more 'boxy' than this one. I do not know whether the appearance of the S on this date of the Barber Quarter is also 'boxy' or not.

windwhispersintrees · December 22, 2014 10:05AM

If cast the coin should have regular granularity on all surfaces, both sides. That's not the case, or at least doesn't look that way in the photos.
Instead, it has the somewhat typical dug coin corrosion...one side more damaged than the other. I think this occurs from the upturned buried side collecting water, while the down-turned side is more protected. I've dug copper coins in which one side is completely toast, while the other side remains legible.

Another possibility for bumpiness is heat...sometimes burned coins exhibit a similar popped/bumpy surface.

The denticles do looked filled in one area though...not sure if that's surface crud, or a sign of being cast copy.

Also, not sure about the copper color tinges showing in the obverse photo. That makes it look like something other than silver....some times dug clad looks like this when heavily cleaned.

I vote real for now. High res photos would help.

TwoSides2aCoin · December 22, 2014 12:02PM

If , and this is a big IF…. it were genuine or even questionable , doesn't the value of it even net graded, warrant expedited services to a major TPG ? It would if I dug it up and it weighed out properly and sounded like "silver" on the flip. I have my doubts just looking at the photos.

Dave99B · December 22, 2014 12:07PM

Cast counterfeit IMO.

Dave

ebaybuyer · December 23, 2014 6:40AM

show it to someone who knows what diagnostics are supposed to be there, ive gotten a few coins back from the TPGs (one in particular that will I will not name) deemed counterfeit when in fact they were genuine coins. one was subsequently holdered after ANACS put their name on it, which is complete BS from my perspective. any TPG should have the resources to properly authenticate any regular issue US coin, the question is why don't they

Davideo · December 23, 2014 7:26AM

<< Fake, no question. Take a good look at the date. The spacing between 9 and 0 in particular is too wide, and the mintmark, though close, is the wrong "font", if you will. Also, lettering is thinner overall than on a genuine.
I've seen a couple similar to this and suspect artificially aged Asian fakes. >>

I don't believe this is correct. I did a quick overlay with die pair A and it appears to be an exact match. As others have indicated, if it is counterfeit it must be a cast from a real coin.

LogPotato · December 23, 2014 7:29AM

"Sent the coin in to Great Collections today. We'll see how it comes back from authentication and grading."

Quote from the owner on a different forum.

Davideo · December 23, 2014 7:51AM

<< "Sent the coin in to Great Collections today. We'll see how it comes back from authentication and grading."

Quote from the owner on a different forum. >>

Thanks for the update. Now we wait...

DeliaBug · December 23, 2014 8:05AM

<< "Sent the coin in to Great Collections today. We'll see how it comes back from authentication and grading."

Quote from the owner on a different forum. >>

Sending that thing anywhere without even performing a simple ring test seems like a waste of money.

winky · December 23, 2014 10:14AM

Looks like a good coin right out of China. I don't like the rim.

telephoto1 · December 29, 2014 8:13AM

<< 

<< Fake, no question. Take a good look at the date. The spacing between 9 and 0 in particular is too wide, and the mintmark, though close, is the wrong "font", if you will. Also, lettering is thinner overall than on a genuine.
I've seen a couple similar to this and suspect artificially aged Asian fakes. >>

I don't believe this is correct. I did a quick overlay with die pair A and it appears to be an exact match. As others have indicated, if it is counterfeit it must be a cast from a real coin. >>

You made me curious so I did some comparison. It's close, I'll grant that much- but I'm still not totally convinced...

roadrunner · December 29, 2014 10:35AM

Dozens of raised dots and other tooling marks is not a good starting point. As far as I know, real coins don't get these zits. A simple ring test should resolve it.

A cast counterfeit should resemble the genuine coin it was modeled from.

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Bigbuck1975 · January 14, 2015 7:14AM

Verdict in - genuine XF details.

Patches · January 14, 2015 7:55AM

It's a neat story, and I guess our hosts think it's authentic...but it's still a turd. I wouldn't even pay $25 for that for the novelty. The coins a piece of garbage.

BillJones · January 14, 2015 8:01AM

<< Verdict in - genuine XF details. >>

If it is genuine it's one of those coins that was stupidly dipped a acid for too long which etched the surfaces.

I would not want it, but if it floats your boat as a filler, who am I to say no?

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kevinstang · January 15, 2015 11:00AM

Thats one I wouldn't mind see poppin outta a hole I dug anyday! Just hope the scratch wasn't put into when digging it out. Definately pay for a detector upgrade for me.

lostincoins · January 15, 2015 11:16AM

I would love to find that in a hole I was digging myself and I have seen worse coins for sale. For what this coin is it is not that bad for those of us who could not own one like this but straight graded.

Davideo · January 15, 2015 11:59AM

<< It's a neat story, and I guess our hosts think it's authentic...but it's still a turd. I wouldn't even pay $25 for that for the novelty. The coins a piece of garbage. >>

It's also a tough to find piece of garbage. Not everyone can afford a choice version for $25K. I'd like to think you'd buy it for $25 to flip it for well over 100x that price (I see the bid is currently at $4K).

And congrats to the owner!

Treashunt · January 15, 2015 11:32PM

<< It's a neat story, and I guess our hosts think it's authentic...but it's still a turd. I wouldn't even pay $25 for that for the novelty. The coins a piece of garbage. >>

ridiculous!

I'd love to own it.

I would beat out my AG anyway

[of course at the right price.]

19Lyds · January 16, 2015 5:38AM

<< It's a neat story, and I guess our hosts think it's authentic...but it's still a turd. I wouldn't even pay $25 for that for the novelty. The coins a piece of garbage. >>

Ha ha ha! You got me laughing!

Its not everyday that somebody can something w-a-a-a-y off mark and get me laughing!

Oh that's not true. I laugh at dumb stuff all the time. I think that folks would literally JUMP at this coin for $100.

1901-S Barber Quarter real??

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