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1919-d Buff...Thoughts on this newp please
crazyhounddog
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Here's one I just got in the mail today. I won this 1919-d Buff in an auction. What are your thoughts one this one? Thank you for your input. I have no idea what that is on the letter "Y" in liberty. Joe
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in the 62 camp here
not sure what's in letter "Y" too but....
looks like something interesting under that "T A" of states
i wonder if that was a dropped letter they tried to fix or something
Drunner
<< <i>sweet example of a tougher date/mint mark
in the 62 camp here
not sure what's in letter "Y" too but....
looks like something interesting under that "T A" of states >>
Yes I see a few globs here and there.
Fairly sharp horn and forehead for this date/mm.
I've not seen the die break the books talk about for this
coin, so not sure if the mark below T and A is it or not.
Coloring is also a bit of a plus for it. Haven't seen your collection
for a while, I'll bet it is a beauty.
Jim
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<< <i>Nice pickup, Joe.
Fairly sharp horn and forehead for this date/mm.
I've not seen the die break the books talk about for this
coin, so not sure if the mark below T and A is it or not.
Coloring is also a bit of a plus for it. Haven't seen your collection
for a while, I'll bet it is a beauty.
Jim >>
Hi Jim!! WOW, it's been a long time. Glad to see your still around. Take care my friend.
If I HAD to grade it, I wouldn't grade it MS based on the rims. They look beat up.
It's best to return it because, this feeling will not go away.
<< <i>That's a tough one to grade. These are often seen very well struck despite what Lange's book says. This is also a semi-key date so it can get costly real quick.
If I HAD to grade it, I wouldn't grade it MS based on the rims. They look beat up. >>
Maybe your right. I don't like the rims very much either. Could be a problem, not sure.
Obviously, a disgruntled mint employee marked the obv. die between the arms of the Y to make a tiny slingshot.
This thought has also crossed my mind KAZ.
<< <i>That's a tough one to grade. These are often seen very well struck despite what Lange's book says. This is also a semi-key date so it can get costly real quick.
If I HAD to grade it, I wouldn't grade it MS based on the rims. They look beat up. >>
Agree in every way here. I was flummoxed on grade from the get-go. Most of the D-mint buffs from 1914-20 present serious grading challenges even in-hand. Images alone, forget it. There was a time when I'd take a chance on an attractive uncertified piece, ButnI wouldn't go near one with a 10-foot pole now.
Wear or no wear, the spots and ticks would keep me far away. The upside jisk just isn't there for me. But you've found your way into nice finds before, and perhaps this will be another.
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im guessing Ms 62-63
Possibly counterfeit.
The "D" mint mark is not the right size for 1919.
There was thread here last week about a 1925-D that also looked suspicious to me (it also had a "D" that was similar to this one).
The fuzzy details on the Bison's head and the die polish at the juncture of the field and the Bison's underbelly are also of concern.
I suspect that there has been a "rash" of such counterfeits in the last 5 years, and perhaps that is why US Mint 5-cent nickel blanks have become harder to get and more expensive than other blanks.
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<< <i>That's a tough one to grade. These are often seen very well struck despite what Lange's book says. This is also a semi-key date so it can get costly real quick.
If I HAD to grade it, I wouldn't grade it MS based on the rims. They look beat up. >>
Agree in every way here. I was flummoxed on grade from the get-go. Most of the D-mint buffs from 1914-20 present serious grading challenges even in-hand. Images alone, forget it. There was a time when I'd take a chance on an attractive uncertified piece, ButnI wouldn't go near one with a 10-foot pole now.
Wear or no wear, the spots and ticks would keep me far away. The upside jisk just isn't there for me. But you've found your way into nice finds before, and perhaps this will be another. >>
I have to same I am in this camp
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<< <i>Something doesn't look right about it to me.
Possibly counterfeit.
The "D" mint mark is not the right size for 1919.
There was thread here last week about a 1925-D that also looked suspicious to me (it also had a "D" that was similar to this one).
The fuzzy details on the Bison's head and the die polish at the juncture of the field and the Bison's underbelly are also of concern.
I suspect that there has been a "rash" of such counterfeits in the last 5 years, and perhaps that is why US Mint 5-cent nickel blanks have become harder to get and more expensive than other blanks. >>
Yes the 25-d was mine also. So, your saying this 19-d is also a counterfeit? Give me a break!!
<< <i>Yes the 25-d was mine also. So, your saying this 19-d is also a counterfeit? Give me a break!!
Joe, the cool thing about you as a collector--and as a poster to the board--is that you're always in there pitching, getting new pieces, always hoping.
Btw, I see nothing to indicate the piece is counterfeit.
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<< <i>Something doesn't look right about it to me.
Possibly counterfeit.
The "D" mint mark is not the right size for 1919.
There was thread here last week about a 1925-D that also looked suspicious to me (it also had a "D" that was similar to this one).
The fuzzy details on the Bison's head and the die polish at the juncture of the field and the Bison's underbelly are also of concern.
I suspect that there has been a "rash" of such counterfeits in the last 5 years, and perhaps that is why US Mint 5-cent nickel blanks have become harder to get and more expensive than other blanks. >>
Yes the 25-d was mine also. So, your saying this 19-d is also a counterfeit? Give me a break!!
Sorry, I'm not trying to pick on anyone.
I'm just calling it as I see it.
These are VERY good fake Buffs and he almost got me and I'm not going to say I knew this all along, I didn't. But I did figure it out after looking through a couple of books and the fact that some of yous noticed something odd about these. D. Carr nailed it right off on both and these buffs and did raise the flag with me so I started digging into my reference books and sure enough they are very fake counterfeit pieces. Joe
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<< <i>Something doesn't look right about it to me.
Possibly counterfeit.
The "D" mint mark is not the right size for 1919.
There was thread here last week about a 1925-D that also looked suspicious to me (it also had a "D" that was similar to this one).
The fuzzy details on the Bison's head and the die polish at the juncture of the field and the Bison's underbelly are also of concern.
I suspect that there has been a "rash" of such counterfeits in the last 5 years, and perhaps that is why US Mint 5-cent nickel blanks have become harder to get and more expensive than other blanks. >>
Yes the 25-d was mine also. So, your saying this 19-d is also a counterfeit? Give me a break!!
Sorry, I'm not trying to pick on anyone.
I'm just calling it as I see it. >>
And you were right. Good call!!!!!
i blew this guess the grade crap
This is the first time I have ever encountered one and I get two from the same seller.
Please contact the Secret Service regarding this. The seller may be a victim here, but he or she can at least help the authorities trace this to the actual counterfeiters. Here's the link.