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TopographicOceans

Now that The Obama says we are friends, will you start collecting coins from Cuba?


Before I became public enemy #1, no one here probably even noticed me.
YOU (not me) have turned this thread into the obsolete Open Forum, so I'm putting it on the back burner to fade away.

I used to post here years ago and recently came back for a couple of reasons, one to talk about coins and two I’m organizing my collection and have some coins that are not in my scope. In the old days people would have coin giveaways on this forum, but I guess it’s been halted since I left around 2004.

I learned some news about a YN and this board that pissed me off. I'm not going to make that public, and I don't know all the details, but I did PM Bochi, so if you want background on that you can PM him.

One of the reasons I left was the kind of threads like the 78-year old man recently, where instead of just ignoring it, every little Timmy in town had to pick a fight with him. So that also pissed me off and I posted some bait threads which I guess worked pretty well since the moderator took two of them down before I even had a chance to read them. If somebody wants to go after a 78-year old, they can go after me.

I only have two rules: #1) I don’t care what anybody on the Internet has to say and #2) See #1.

The third thread remains, but I changed the title.

We all have different backgrounds an experiences, but I'll explain my point of view.

If I was an executive of a publically traded company and I saw my ticker symbol and then saw some racist comments, I’d protect my brand and act. PCGS is probably a $150 million brand, and if the minimal amount of advertising revenue it generated (with your eyeballs being here) threatened my brand, I would act to protect it.

Personally I would change the system to not allow any external content, so offensive YouTube videos or pictures would not be on my company’s site.

So there is no more content that is or could be interpreted as racist will be posted here. It's 2014 - I sure Mr. Willis and Mr. Hall would have the same understanding as I do.

I'm going to do two more threads, later.

One for the adults, because I do want to get some coin advice from some of the people I respect here.
The other one will be for the kids to keep you entertained while the adults are talking.

I'm busy and will probably fade away soon and you can go back to your play time.

Jinx86

Already have some. Fan of the large early Peso coinage. Something about that huge star.

coindeuce

How is a lame duck POTUS embracing a Communist dictatorship even remotely relevant to JSP collecting coins from that country ?

Tomthecoinguy

<< <i>How is a lame duck POTUS embracing a Communist dictatorship even remotely relevant to JSP collecting coins from that country ? >>



It is very relevant if the embargo is lifted, and this is a step closer to that.

I sold an Unc 1 Peso Cuban note (dated well before the embargo) to another dealer. He put it on ebay and they canceled his auctions. I offered to buy the note back from him. No deal, as I sold the note to him too cheaply. Just last Sunday I ran into the dealer at a show and asked him what he was going to do with the note. He said he was going to hold onto it until they lift the embargo, and then sell it. He may not have to wait too much longer, we will see.

silverpop

huh?

I already have a coin from Cuba

got it about 2 yrs ago

AUandAG

I seriously doubt any embargo was lifted. He did not do anything by executive order. It was done by memorandum instead.

Probably nothing will change.....

bob

Tookybandit

I do not have many coins, but I do like Cuban currency!

Cameonut

NO! We are not friends.

bronco2078

Meh , as long as you don't use the word cuba in your ebay listing its fine. Don't use the word cuba in any email or invoice either through paypal especially

Bochiman

Posted on the US coin forum instead of world coins, WHY?

bronco2078

<< <i>Posted on the US coin forum instead of world coins, WHY? >>



The coins were made here in the us mint

ms70

I'd rather collect fugitives starting with Joanne Chesimard.

Coinsponge

I wouldn't do anything to make a ruthless dictator seem legitimate. And just because Obama says something don't make it true. That can be documented.

MGLICKER

I can use the money from selling all the coins from countries that we are no longer friends with.

Germany, France, Italy, Russia, China, Israel, Pahkastahn, India, Mexico, England...........

TopographicOceans

<< <i><< Posted on the US coin forum instead of world coins, WHY? >> >>



Sorry, Bochi - my bad. I didn't realize there was such a place. Can we move it there?



<< <i>The coins were made here in the us mint >>


Or does bronco validation suffice?

I looked at your notes Tooky - I'd never seen those before.

OnlyGoldIsMoney

"Yes" to pre 1959 coins but "No" to those of the Castro regime; I prefer not to embrace evil.

coindeuce

Tolerated fool will suffice.

vplite99

Rule 6) This forum is about US Coins. If your post is not directly related to US Coins then this is the wrong forum. Do not post it or your posting privileges may be removed.

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ms70

<< <i>Rule 6) This forum is about US Coins. If your post is not directly related to US Coins then this is the wrong forum. Do not post it or your posting privileges may be removed. >>



And using an ALT no less!

brg5658

<< <i>Rule 6) This forum is about US Coins. If your post is not directly related to US Coins then this is the wrong forum. Do not post it or your posting privileges may be removed. >>



If that rule were enforced a great many people would no longer be on this forum.

BryceM

Inside joke guys. The OP is the one who has been recently quoting chapter & verse when it comes to the rules.

ricko

I have a silver coin from Cuba....had it for at least fifty years... will have to dig it out and see what it is again... I remember it has a big star on it..Cheers, RickO

2ndCharter

President Obola should stick to the golf course.

DIMEMAN

>>>Frankly, it's about time things got thawed out with Cuba. It's silly to hold grudges when the majority of people involved with the incidents that inflamed things in the past are dead. Time for a new generation to build new ties... hopefully this is the first step towards a full reset of diplomatic relations and reopening of trade with Cuba. <<<

It's NOT a new Cuba......same people running it. We need no ties with them. And they can have Obama in the deal!

MGLICKER

<< <i>>>>Frankly, it's about time things got thawed out with Cuba. It's silly to hold grudges when the majority of people involved with the incidents that inflamed things in the past are dead. Time for a new generation to build new ties... hopefully this is the first step towards a full reset of diplomatic relations and reopening of trade with Cuba. <<<

It's NOT a new Cuba......same people running it. We need no ties with them. And they can have Obama in the deal! >>

ColonelJessup

Can we see any trolling by the OP in starting the thread with "The Obama" ?

I'm sure my politics are showing. I'm the guy who wants to call Cheney "The Dick"

And to all my anti-communist friends, what about those trade embargos with Russia and China?

Can the OP identify the image of Jose Marti? Or his historic significance? Or the best year for Cuban gold?

Darkside, Cheneyhead.....

TwoSides2aCoin

Grading is subjective. Logic is optional. Common cents are rare.

ElmerFusterpuck

Threads like this (with the lame title) and the attitudes on some of the postings, and we wonder why young people don't want to join the hobby or are hesitant????? The most common complaint I hear from the younger generation is that quite a few of us come across as old, grouchy cranks that think current affairs always stink, it was always better way back when (gold standard comes to mind) and so on. It really does get tiring.

That being said, I look forward to see what happens with Cuba. It's time for that 90 mile fence to go.

garrynot

<< <i>I'd rather collect fugitives starting with Joanne Chesimard. >>



+1 Chesimard should have been part of that deal. Dummies.

MGLICKER

<< <i>The most common complaint I hear from the younger generation is that quite a few of us come across as old, grouchy cranks that think current affairs always stink >>



They are certainly perceptive.

LindeDad

I quit smoking long ago.

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MGLICKER

<< <i>The reality is that I will never agree with the vast majority of you on four out of five political issues, and it's difficult to build a close relationship to a hobby where so many individuals hold a mindset and worldview that contrasts so starkly with yours. >>



BS. I have a close friend who is politically as far from me as possible. We leave that off the table and talk good music and science over a small shot of Cognac. I have bought and sold a substantial number of coins over the last 12 years and really know little about the politics of my trading partners.

ColonelJessup

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<< <i>Threads like this (with the lame title) and the attitudes on some of the postings, and we wonder why young people don't want to join the hobby or are hesitant????? The most common complaint I hear from the younger generation is that quite a few of us come across as old, grouchy cranks that think current affairs always stink, it was always better way back when (gold standard comes to mind) and so on. It really does get tiring. >>



If I didn't have a thick skin, I would have said sayonara to the hobby and the forums long, long ago. It's a necessity when propelling yourself into a world where a mindset that alienates your generation is pervasive. The reality is that I will never agree with the vast majority of you on four out of five political issues, and it's difficult to build a close relationship to a hobby where so many individuals hold a mindset and worldview that contrasts so starkly with yours. The inability to develop close friendships due to such stark political differences (talking about coins can only go so far at building a friendship) leaves you with only your own sense of satisfaction, since you don't really have anybody else to share your collection and accomplishments with, outside of forums. So what happens? The casual collectors flake out, and only the hardcore ones stick around. Problem is, a thriving coin market requires more than just hardcore collectors.

There are other factors that contribute to the failure of the coin market amongst the younger generation, but I think political and philosophical differences are certainly one of the top reasons as to why the hobby can't seem to gain traction with a younger crowd.

That's enough rambling out of me. >>

OnWithTheHunt

As a kid in the 60s, I remember reading articles in coin magazines about servicemen stationed in France who were finding hoards of old US coins that were brought over during WWI. What are the chances of similar finds in Cuba, realizing that most of them would probably be from the 30s and later?

ColonelJessup

edited to read..... .DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS

Sonorandesertrat

Cuba received its independence as a result of the Spanish-American War. Hence, a collection of independent Cuban coinage is essentially a 20th-/21st-century one.
There are some colonial medals (a Betts medal, depicting an explosion of El Morro castle in Havana, comes to mind) and counterstamped 19th-century coins that I find much more interesting.

BillJones

What "fearless leader" (Does anyone remember Boris and Natasha?) does with Cuba does not affect my collecting goals. I've seen a nice little Cuban gold coin from 100 years ago, that I liked, but my interest really is not there.

And for the record I that the time has come to recognize Cuba, unless they sponsor state approved terrorism.

TwoSides2aCoin

It is still a gentleman's game and polarization has a profound affect on many . Whereas, most veterans I know on both sides of the aisle, understand the code.
Many see the problem in civilian life and recognize it as a lack of civility. Don't understand why the hobby has to suffer with such indignation as to bringing the commander in chief's name here.

eBay of Pigs invasion ?

CalGold

<< <i> I wouldn't do anything to make a ruthless dictator seem legitimate >>



But you had no problem with Batista, right? It is time that Americans stop being suckers. Yes the Castro regime sucks big time, and its so bad that people sometimes drown on rickety home-made rafts trying to get out of Cuba. But the regimes in many other countries are oppressive too--Russia, Venezuela, China etc. Only the Anglos here believe that freedom and democracy is the motive of the embargo embraced by the Cubans who fled to Florida. The emigres only care about getting their property and socio-economic status back. They were the haves in a country of haves and have nots. For more than 50 years they have promoted a US policy that has contributed to the economic deprivation of their own countrymen who remained in Cuba. Why would anyone do that to their own people? Simple. They were perfectly content with the status quo under the old dictatorial regime in which those same people lived in deprivation, which is why there was a revolution in the first place.

CG

LindeDad

How many cigars will $100.00 buy now that's all that I see changed. Legal to bring them back if you want to go there, which I don't want to.

johnny9434

a few cuban cigars would suit me just fine and then will figure the coin thingy out laters.

edix2001

One time, World Coin News had a story about a Che Guevara portrait coin issued by Cuba. They had completely mistranslated the motto "Patria O Muerte", meaning "Homeland or Death", by incorrectly naming the individual depicted as "Patrick O'Muerte". I kid you not.

winky

Since I don't smoke I have no reason to have anything to do with Cuba and they still make the Falcon over there (go figure). I LOVE my Roosies and will stick with them to the end, no Cuban coins here as they would upset my registry grade.

Coins101

<< <i>Cuba received its independence as a result of the Spanish-American War. >>



Not to hijack the thread but around 30 years ago, I was exploring an old deserted house and found a postcard from a soldier who was outside Santiago waiting to go into battle. He was writing his mother about his thoughts. It is posted marked with the year 1898 (can't remember the month and day). it is pretty cool.

DeepCoin

I think that one might have some fun finding numismatic treasures that have been hoarded in small numbers by the population. As to opening trade, relations, etc, I am old enough to have visited southeast asia courtesy of Uncle Sam. Remember the bad guys, North Vietnam? We now have trade relations with them and you can go back and walk the trails you once walked in fear as part of a group revisiting the past. If we can get past the issues with a country that killed 54,000 American, it seems to me that we can make peace with Cuba.

Once the old leaders die in a couple of years, major changes will happen. It is no different than Spain and Franco, not to mention many other countries. When the founding revolutionary dies, so does the regime. Just look at history.

There is no good reason for BOTH parties to continue this senseless embargo. FYI, I noticed the Pope helped broker this deal. Get past your dislike of the present administration and look at what makes sense. There are MANY other dictators that we have diplomatic relations with, so that argument does not hold water.

I would like to see normalized relations as well as find out if there are any Saints squirreled away in bank vaults that are rare dates.

EagleEye

I'd collect coins like this:

JazzmanJAB

This was brought back in 1978. Sorry about the bad pictures.
This is about the size of our 5 cent piece and is made from aluminum.

Not sure which side is obverse.

mrearlygold

I've purchased a few Cuban coins for over 20 years.

mustangmanbob

Around 1982, I was in the US Army, on a plane coming back from a Reforger in Germany. We landed in Goose Bay, Newfoundland for refueling. We carried our weapons with us, M16's, .45's, M60's and were waiting in a rather small break area for the actual refueling. Word suddenly came for everyone to move to one side. In filed about 100 Cuban soldiers, coming back from Africa, and they hugged the wall on the other side. Their plane had developed engine problems over the Atlantic, and Goose Bay was the closest set down point. They also were armed. It was a rather tense, but comical hour, as both sides just stared at each other.

I wonder how many US coins are squirrelled away. I am into classic cars, and there have been people drooling over the 1957 Chevy's, etc. roaming the island. Most have Czech Diesel engines, or whatnot, now.

When I was stationed in Korea, I brought back a lot of US Treasury Notes, red seals, blue seals, a couple Hawaii, and a North Africa, and one Gold Note. Nothing really spectacular, just stuff stashed away for years. They want crisp new $50 and $100 US bills, and would pay a premium for them, especially to get rid of the old US notes.