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crypto79crypto79 Posts: 8,623 ✭
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came 2mm from squeezing the trigger. I am surprised that graded even back then. How long before PCGS sees this as a warranty claim?

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    MGLICKERMGLICKER Posts: 7,995 ✭✭✭
    Youch! Looks like it got keyed.
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    ms70ms70 Posts: 13,946 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'll bet they thought it was a die crack. It almost looks like one as you get closer to the rims.

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    blu62vetteblu62vette Posts: 11,901 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Wow.
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    LanLordLanLord Posts: 11,681 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Sorta looks like a big die break and a little bit of scratches. I don't think the big obvious looking thing is a scratch.
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    lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,887 ✭✭✭✭✭
    What a shame.
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    MGLICKERMGLICKER Posts: 7,995 ✭✭✭
    First thought was a strike thru until I saw the separation near the jaw.
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    cheezhedcheezhed Posts: 5,686 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Market acceptable?
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    BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 11,867 ✭✭✭✭✭
    20yr old mistake

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    crypto79crypto79 Posts: 8,623 ✭


    << <i>20yr old mistake >>



    I agree, it isn't even grossly net graded to compensate which they often are when that was more the status quo. Classic staple scratch and very sad.
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    DennisHDennisH Posts: 13,963 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That is so depressing...
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    kazkaz Posts: 9,067 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The light reflections on the ring show that the light path is about perpendicular to the scratch. I bet the mark is almost invisible when the light is coming from other directions.
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    ianrussellianrussell Posts: 2,454 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Would love to see this coin in person.

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    BarndogBarndog Posts: 20,458 ✭✭✭✭✭
    the thread title made me think this was about the penultimate scene of The Walking Dead tonight image
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    roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,303 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It was unusual to net any coin for such a large scratch back in the ogh days. While it does look to be XF/AU otherwise, no way it should have been netted to VF.

    Another option is that the holder was cracked open and this coin was inserted.
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    DoubleEagle59DoubleEagle59 Posts: 8,198 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>That is so depressing... >>



    What's depressing..........the scratch or the fact it received a grade?

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    DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭
    No way that is a scratch. PCGS couldn't miss that!!! Would have to see it in hand.
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    BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    LotsoLuckLotsoLuck Posts: 3,786 ✭✭✭
    Looks like perforating over the Liberty's head/hair. I vote scratch.
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    BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Looks like perforating over the Liberty's head/hair. I vote scratch. >>



    Your a bad man as now poor DIMEMAN won't be able to sleep a wink all night image
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    airplanenutairplanenut Posts: 21,908 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Interesting how it follows the inside of the star up top. I think a die crack would be much more likely to do that than a scratch.
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    LotsoLuckLotsoLuck Posts: 3,786 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Looks like perforating over the Liberty's head/hair. I vote scratch. >>



    Your a bad man as now poor DIMEMAN won't be able to sleep a wink all night image >>



    I don't think DMan will lose any sleep over my wag image Jeremy is in the mix now but I still stand with scratch image
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    lasvegasteddylasvegasteddy Posts: 10,408 ✭✭✭
    in the cleaned and scratched crowd here...a wee lil bit beyond being market acceptable
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    airplanenutairplanenut Posts: 21,908 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I should also add that the line doesn't seem to go through the point of the lower star. I would expect a scratch to go through the star, but since the field is the high point of the die, I wouldn't be surprised that a die break didn't go through the device. I'd want to see it in hand, but I wouldn't be surprised if this is a die crack, perhaps made to look more suspect by rather harsh lighting.
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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 45,418 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Definitely a scratch. No way that's a die crack. I'm guessing that it only looks as bad as it does in the pic is because the lighting catches the scratch just right and that it isn't quite as noticeable when viewed in hand in natural light. I'm guessing that PCGS silently net graded this coin due to it's age and rarity.

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Definitely a scratch... I agree with PerryHall....Cheers, RickO
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    messydeskmessydesk Posts: 19,692 ✭✭✭✭✭
    image
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    s4nys4ny Posts: 1,562 ✭✭✭
    I am thinking that PCGS had the coin in hand and decided it is a die crack.
    Harder to determine that with an image.
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    crypto79crypto79 Posts: 8,623 ✭


    << <i>I am thinking that PCGS had the coin in hand and decided it is a die crack.
    Harder to determine that with an image. >>



    it isn't hard at all, clearly a scratch.
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    LindeDadLindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Actually looks like two of them in the same area.

    That slab pre-dates Genuine service. Netted for rarity.
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    roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,303 ✭✭✭✭✭
    One of those lines ends abruptly at the jaw/neck interface. The other one crosses over that same area. Odd behavior for a die crack(s).

    Full bisections are also sort of rare for die cracks, especially nearly straight ones. The obverse cleaning lines flow in the same direction as the scratch/die crack. Coincidence?

    As the "die crack" bounces across Liberty's hair it leaves a "dotted" line. Again, not usual behavior for a typical die crack.

    The line just barely touches 2 star points on each side of the coin. How unusual is that for a die crack? Makes more sense that the resistance from the raised star body/points redirected the offending "tool" away.

    Longer die cracks often change their thickness along the route as various devices are encountered. This one seems to maintain the same width nearly the entire run.
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    crypto79crypto79 Posts: 8,623 ✭


    << <i>One of those lines ends abruptly at the jaw/neck interface. The other one crosses over that same area. Odd behavior for a die crack(s).

    Full bisections are also sort of rare for die cracks, especially nearly straight ones. The obverse cleaning lines flow in the same direction as the scratch/die crack. Coincidence?

    As the "die crack" bounces across Liberty's hair it leaves a "dotted" line. Again, not usual behavior for a typical die crack.

    The line just barely touches 2 star points on each side of the coin. How unusual is that for a die crack? Makes more sense that the resistance from the raised star body/points redirected the offending "tool" away.

    Longer die cracks often change their thickness along the route as various devices are encountered. This one seems to maintain the same width nearly the entire run. >>



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    SeattleSlammerSeattleSlammer Posts: 9,959 ✭✭✭✭✭
    So what's its value (given a scratch) .... ?
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    ebaybuyerebaybuyer Posts: 2,984 ✭✭✭
    perhaps.. while it was being cleaned, a small chunk of the brick being used broke loose and caused the scratch
    regardless of how many posts I have, I don't consider myself an "expert" at anything
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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 31,550 ✭✭✭✭✭
    You can tell by the way that the light falls INTO it that it is a depression rather than a raised die break. A struck thru indentation is theoretically possible, but it sure looks like a scratch to me.
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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 45,418 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>perhaps.. while it was being cleaned, a small chunk of the brick being used broke loose and caused the scratch >>

    image

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    stevebensteveben Posts: 4,595 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>So what's its value (given a scratch) .... ? >>



    today, i would give $145 for it.
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    topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭
    When I lived in Sonora, I met a guy who had dug a Clark Gruber $5 out of his garden.

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    TreashuntTreashunt Posts: 6,747 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I'll bet they thought it was a die crack. It almost looks like one as you get closer to the rims. >>



    my thought exactly
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