With a dip, what could this CBH get?
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With a dip to remove the surface dark toning, what could this fetch? AU?
Note - not my coin, I'm curious.
Note - not my coin, I'm curious.
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I'll give you VF money for it after the dip.
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<< <i>Just acetone to get rid of PVC on the coin, and no more! >>
<< <i>With a dip, what could this CBH get? >>
Worse
maybe just a soak in acetone and then distilled water to rinse.
it has color and skin which you should not want to remove.
Carbon spots galore and VF money when you sell it.
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I agree!
Don't mess with that coin. It has great natural patina. If it is not bright enough for you, sell it to me.
Ruined.
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There are coins that can be improved by dipping. This is absolutely, 100% not one of them. Please don't do such an evil thing. It looks wholesome and perfect just like it is.
What?? ..a dip
Leave her as is
<< <i>Sell it to me for $100 as-is, think of all the labor I'll save you
I bid $120!
<< <i>I like it as it is. Seems to me it could only get worse with a dip. XF45 seems the highest it could go....even if dipped. A fairly pleasing original XF40+ coin as it sits now. While there might be some dark crust in there that could qualify as environmental damage, I don't see how it would go away from a dipping (ie a white coin with some dark spots left behind). The green pvc on the reverse should probably be attended to. Probably got that from long term storage in a plastic flip. The coin has character like this. Why dip it and make another white widget? It took 188 years to tone that coin like a painted canvas. And a bottle of MS70 will only take a few seconds to remove it.
I'll give you VF money for it after the dip. >>
1) the coin has much crusty second generation surface quality and vibrant color that is worth a premium beyond its technical grade of 45+ despite a cleaning 50 years ago. Dipping it, beyond the hysteria of criminality, would be diseconomic, turning a gem into junk and $400 or more into $150. And a smack upside the head of the owner from me too. Though you made it clear this was a theoretical, a smack on the head to whomsoever planted the dipping idea in yours. Their instincts need to be rewired. Except for Ricko, whom, as I understand it, and with good reason, gives his coins a bath every Saturday night...
My past experience with MS70[/b on an early planchet of such granularity sends me running from the room screaming. The colors will change and the wear spots will be brighter.
There are loads of more gradual ways of taking off that hardened gunk. I don't think a single wash of acetone will do it. Soak it for any number of days. Change the acetone daily. That can't hurt.
If the green doesn't go, a month in olive oil would be the next step. Then acetone again. Investigate Coinsolve. Then (seriously) an EAC guy with a rose thorn, a sure hand and a stereo microscope.
I have an ultra-sonic cleaner that I use to literally shake off crud like this. With the right bath solution (like acetone), this works much more quickly. Such a device, at a cost of under $75 on Ebay, helps a coin or two a month that I buy to conserve.
BTW, value aside, an excellent candidate for PCGS Restoration just to get the crud off. They are very good at that.
Stuart
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<< <i>It's owner a smack upside the head. >>
<< <i>With a dip, what could this CBH get? >>
Really scroooowed up.
Not only would the circulation show up as clear as day but every little imperfection that the coin has picked up over the years would stand out like a horse in church!
The name is LEE!
<< <i>I'm in the "smack in the head" camp. What a beautiful coin.......why ruin it???!!!! >>
^^^^ THIS^^^^
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And this particular coin, based on what I can see on the surfaces, should never be dipped.
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<< <i>Heybthere CoinWWII it is standard practice to respond to your own threads, lol come on join in and explain why you are asking the question and don't mind the straight forwaard responses, you will get use to them un less you are an ex member just trolling ? >>
x2. Just some kidding going on, that's all.
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<< <i>Dipping does not increase the grade.
And this particular coin, based on what I can see on the surfaces, should never be dipped. >>
Dipping sometimes increases a coin's grade as the strength of the luster is a key component in the grade of a coin. Regardless if that is the true grade a coin should be assigned is not the issue. A higher TPG grade assignment following a dipping obviously increases the market grade. In the case of PCGS they prefer coins with dazzling and bright luster. There are many deeper toned coins that come out of a dipping looking a lot better. The Ed Milas mint set coins that broke back around 1988 tended to be very dark blue/black silver coins of the 1850's. A lot of those were dipped and came out achieving much higher grades than if they remained "dark" with muted luster. I think I ended up with one of those coins around 1993. It was a stark white 1853 NA 25c in an ogh PCGS MS66 holder. The coin was essentially flawless (MS67 surfaces) but you could tell the coin had lost a slight layer of luster. If that coin were originally very deeply toned that would make sense. Though deeply toned the coin might have only been graded 64/65. Jim Halperin often told the story of a 1799 (?) bust dollar that was choice unc but ugly as heck. He was the one to dip it back in the 1970's and it came out fabulous with blinding luster. It's value (and market grade) went up dramatically. I wonder if that's the same coin in TDN's type set that is now MS66. If memory serves wasn't the highest graded 1901-s 25c (ie the lone MS68) also achieved following a dipping? If dipping didn't ever increase the grade....no one would do it. Until there's a better system, the TPG grade is what counts.
1) the coin has crusty original surface quality and vibrant color that is worth a premium beyond its technical grade of 45+. Dipping it, beyond the hysteria of criminality, would be diseconomic, turning a gem into junk and $400 or more into $150. And a smack upside the head of the owner from me too. Though you made it clear this was a theoretical, a smack on the head to whomsoever planted the dipping idea in yours. Their instincts need to be rewired. Except for Ricko, whom, as I understand it, and with good reason, gives his coins a bath every Saturday night...
That is really funny
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<< <i>With a dip, what could this CBH get? >>
A "details" grade.
Don't touch it. You'd be nuts to mess with that. It looks great just like it is.
<< <i>Just acetone to get rid of PVC on the coin, and no more! >>
i totally agree.
<< <i>With a dip to remove the surface dark toning, what could this fetch? >>
In my humble opinion it would fetch less money unless your trying to prey on someone that is new to the hobby....
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<< <i>It's owner a smack upside the head. >>
ill second that.