Was he the only one that was banned? I saw a lot of PCGS bashing in that thread. I'm surprised that thread lasted as long as it did.
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You can speak your mind and be respectful, if he could not see he crossed the line with his comments he should be nuked. He had been pushing the envelope for a while in my opinion. You can be full of energy and knowledge but at times you need to refrain and see another day. You know the rules up front so no surprise, he had probably been warned a few or more times in the past. I got scolded a couple of times in the past so I doubt it was a one and done. He can always start his own website. I had one for years and it was not to bad price wise, until you get a lot of traffic then you got to spend a few bucks.
Sometimes a phone call to pcgs with questions and concerns would be more productive than a ranting post
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Our host plays a very passive role here on this forum and seems to prefer that this forum be focused on the collection hobby on general and not a customer service complaint forum. The definition of restoration services is perhaps more subjective than global warming. To publicly deride our host's business practices on such a subjective issue was a little beyond the pale. The essence of conservation has been discussed in many previous threads and Stone was clearly not plowing any new dirt in his comment.
That said, I thought the "original" toning was motley at best and removing it not much different than removing PVC residue. And to those that collect coins with original surfaces, Good Luck. My collecting experience extends over 50 years and I have come to realize that standards change over time and generally for the benefit of collectors.
I hope that Stone will one day post on this forum, and he will come to understand that his communication skills should be structured to create the change that he seeks, without alienating our hosts and the hobby in general.
<< <i>He was totally out of line and offensive. HERE: >>
Yeah, I was going to say the same thing. This was too much:
PCGS is the biggest hypocrite in numismatics regarding coin doctoring.
First they file a lawsuit against people that engage in such activities, then shortly thereafter they turn it into a business model!
I'm bummed he's gone. I enjoyed our public and private exchanges. But I knew he crossed the line there. Lance. >>
...as soon as I saw that the Golden shareholder was the very next post capturing his original words in the form of a quote...I knew he was toast. No offense to the Golden shareholder, but it is logically safe to assume that he/she is no "troll" as some have wrongly assumed...but rather a new form of Moderator (NSA style). No hard feelings towards this action, just calling it like I see it. I love PCGS, I love CU and its forum. Enough said
<< <i>I saw the banning coming as soon as I read his thread. The forum rules explicitly state that posting a thread bashing PCGS or any other company will get you banned. It is not terribly difficult to play by the rules. >>
Lots of folks, dealers, and companies get bashed on a regular basis yet the posters aren't banned.
However, speak "harshly" of PCGS and the ax is soon to follow.
I expect that calling PCGS "hypocrites" is what brought out the blades.
Edited to add that since this thread has nothing to do with US Coins, it also could cause bannings..........................if the rules were followed to the letter.
"Rule 6) This forum is about US Coins. If your post is not directly related to US Coins then this is the wrong forum. Do not post it or your posting privileges may be removed."
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"His post was reckless and immature. Not really surprised he is banned. Hope he learns a lesson."
+2
Not to mention completely off base.
I met Stone once at the FUN show. He is barely my daughter's age if memory serves me right. Lord knows how many chances I give her and my son!! LOL. Perhaps Don will make it a "Time out", but a second reckless comment warrants a permanent ban in my opinion. Wondercoin
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"Rules are made to be broken, if they aren't right in the first place." That is a childish notion. Who determines if a 'rule' is 'right' to begin with? Rules here are posted and pretty dang easily understood. If you disagree as to the merit(s) of then simply lurk or don't participate at all (in a sign of quiet protest, I suppose).
- Perhaps as a collective we all have a voice, but trust me, as individuals, we most certainly do not. If these forums where to vanish instantly I doubt it would affect PCGS's bottom line and probably in many aspects, there might be a collective sigh of relief as certainly maintaining this is more of a chore than a 'profit'.
<< <i>He was totally out of line and offensive. HERE:
If that is what it was. >>
No problem with stone but PCGS's logic is unimpeachable on this one. The cause and effect was predictable which is all one can hope for when trying to Comply with rules
As to realone's indignation, I would suggest you show them who's boss and protest by only buying NGC coins and going on a silent protest and not posting for months maybe years! That will show them.
<< <i>He was totally out of line and offensive. HERE: >>
Yeah, I was going to say the same thing. This was too much:
PCGS is the biggest hypocrite in numismatics regarding coin doctoring.
First they file a lawsuit against people that engage in such activities, then shortly thereafter they turn it into a business model!
I'm bummed he's gone. I enjoyed our public and private exchanges. But I knew he crossed the line there. Lance. >>
...as soon as I saw that the Golden shareholder was the very next post capturing his original words in the form of a quote...I knew he was toast. No offense to the Golden shareholder, but it is logically safe to assume that he/she is no "troll" as some have wrongly assumed...but rather a new form of Moderator (NSA style). No hard feelings towards this action, just calling it like I see it. I love PCGS, I love CU and its forum. Enough said
Erik >>
I didn't do anything except capture the original offending quote which was way out of line.
Perhaps Don will make it a "Time out", but a second reckless comment warrants a permanent ban in my opinion.
this presumes that no warning was given(it may have been) but Don is on record stating no warning will be given. also, I have it on good word that at least one member had PM's Stone about an earlier comment several weeks ago urging him to edit his post and back-off a little. he chose not to heed that sound advice.
as for the sacrificial lambs that might choose to take action, that seems unreasonable.
I normally do not comment on these issues but perhaps something can be learned by everyone.
The offending poster already had been warned on two previous occasions. This was his third strike. Don't assume you know what is happening in the background because you don't. We respect everyone's privacy.
These forums exist as a service to PCGS invited guests. They are intended to facilitate the sharing of information, the joy of collecting and all the observations, stories and the other fun stuff we experience.
We don't mind, and even encourage, a healthy debate during the sharing of informed opinions. That doesn't mean tolerating emotional and ignorant statements that defame PCGS or anyone else. I made that very clear in the rules. The rules were born out of a necessity which unfortunately continues today.
This was the straw that broke the camel's back - PCGS is the biggest hypocrite in numismatics regarding coin doctoring.
<< <i>A huge loss to the members here. This way of handling free speech has to change. >>
Yet you don't come up with a single recommendation on how to accomplish this. >>
I'll bite.
Upgrade the forum software to something with better tools for moderators. The standard is to have an infraction system (points for screw ups) where privileges are lost as points accumulate. Points may or may not expire based on the severity of the offense. Granted, software and moderation cost time and money, but if you are serious about building a good online community where good users get to stick around, but are kept in line, that investment is required.
But with that said, PCGS doesn't owe this (or anything) to us, so don't take this as whining -- it's just the solution you asked for.
<< <i>I normally do not comment on these issues but perhaps something can be learned by everyone.
The offending poster already had been warned on two previous occasions. This was his third strike. Don't assume you know what is happening in the background because you don't. We respect everyone's privacy.
These forums exist as a service to PCGS invited guests. They are intended to facilitate the sharing of information, the joy of collecting and all the observations, stories and the other fun stuff we experience.
We don't mind, and even encourage, a healthy debate during the sharing of informed opinions. That doesn't mean tolerating emotional and ignorant statements that defame PCGS or anyone else. I made that very clear in the rules. The rules were born out of a necessity which unfortunately continues today.
This was the straw that broke the camel's back - PCGS is the biggest hypocrite in numismatics regarding coin doctoring.
I count on all of you to be self policing.
Don >>
Pretty reasonable, it seems to me -- thanks for the post, Don.
Rules are rules. If you don't like or agree with them, you may have to leave. If you choose to stay, but just can't seem to sit on your hands then don't be shocked if you're shown the door regardless of any perceived dichotomy. As long as everyone is treated equally, there should be no surprises. The fact that an individual is well liked or abhorred should have no bearing on the situation.
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Lots of replies here expressing the hope that this is a temporary ban or time-out.
While I second that emotion, I may be wrong but I think that is a very rare thing here.
In fact, I am willing to bet that the number of users that have been bammed and then allowed to return under the same user-name could be counted on one hand. Two hands at the most.
Too bad Stone broke the forum rules, and after two previous warnings. I did feel his words were out of line for this forum's rules, but I will miss his input.
How about starting a time banned, then very strict probation afterwards, at the discretion of the PCGS moderator?
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<< <i>Too bad Stone broke the forum rules, and after two previous warnings. I did feel his words were out of line for this forum's rules, but I will miss his input.
How about starting a time banned, then very strict probation afterwards, at the discretion of the PCGS moderator? >>
<< <i>Too bad Stone broke the forum rules, and after two previous warnings. I did feel his words were out of line for this forum's rules, but I will miss his input.
How about starting a time banned, then very strict probation afterwards, at the discretion of the PCGS moderator? >>
You mean like 4 strikes and you're out? >>
I am sorry to laugh. I liked Stone , and I actually have a great love for many men who are not here. They stand on their own feet with their own views. I respect that.
Four balls and that pitcher should be tossed from the game.
"Rules are made to be broken, if they aren't right in the first place." That is a childish notion. Who determines if a 'rule' is 'right' to begin with? Rules here are posted and pretty dang easily understood. If you disagree as to the merit(s) of then simply lurk or don't participate at all (in a sign of quiet protest, I suppose).
- Perhaps as a collective we all have a voice, but trust me, as individuals, we most certainly do not. If these forums where to vanish instantly I doubt it would affect PCGS's bottom line and probably in many aspects, there might be a collective sigh of relief as certainly maintaining this is more of a chore than a 'profit'. >>
It might not affect their bottom line BUT you cannot dismiss the fact that many posters have joined the Collectors Club "because" of this forum. This includes me.
You also cannot dismiss the fact that many posters submit coins to PCGS "because" of these forums. You also cannot dismiss the fact that PCGS's wallet has been fattened "because" of these forums. You also cannot dismiss the fact that many Authorized PCGS Dealers "use" these forums to either advertise or promote their stores and/or coins.
Eliminating the forums would be a poor business choice IMO since the simple act of communicating with others that have like interests actually "promotes" the hobby AND PCGS.
As for the forums being a "chore"? Gimme a break. Administering to a forum is only a "chore" if you don't know what you are doing and have more experience in selling coins than you do in Computer Technology. There is absolutely NO reason that the President of PCGS should be administering to the forum as there are many adequate individuals that post on a regular basis that are more than qualified to act as "Admins" to control the forum content.
It's simply a question of authorizing the account.
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<< <i>I'll admit that when I read the statement regarding PCGS's business model, I cringed. >>
Ditto. If you post something like that on a company's website, you can't be too surprised when they show you the door. >>
I winced and remember exactly where I was when I read it.
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I am sorry to learn of this. Winston and I had some interesting conversations when he was an undergraduate student in Tucson. He is a passionate collector, someone who is interested in much more than just the financial aspects of the hobby. However, he had to know that he was crossing a red line.
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<< <i>If that was so bad then why did they not delete the thread? Maybe that wasn't it. >>
Good point. I'm surprised the thread wasn't deleted after the bashing first began.
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"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
<< <i>I like Stone (have met him in person). As far as I am concerned, he banned himself with the remark on the conservation thread. >>
He must have known what was going to happen by making such an inflamatory and insulting post. This wouldn't the first time a forum member committed suicide by moderator.
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"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Who is so qualified to pass judgment on another human being especially absent all the facts
Some of you people are so perfect .. People can have personal accountability - and people still make mistakes. Not everybody goes through their whole adult life without having to apologize for having said or done something ill-advised or during the heat of the moment.
Many of these people who are so quick to judge and cry foul are the same people that would be begging the cop to not write them that speeding ticket -
Some people go their whole life without having to ask for a second chance or say sorry
Frauds and phonies and totally unrealistic speaking from the dais up in the sky
I see no reason for probationary periods, short time outs and the like, it would be a nightmare to enforce and keep track of who has a strike, foul or a ball. It is not hard to figure out what is and is not acceptable to post.
The only change I would like to see is a easier way to post pics. I am still clueless to do it.
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<< <i>I normally do not comment on these issues but perhaps something can be learned by everyone.
The offending poster already had been warned on two previous occasions. This was his third strike. Don't assume you know what is happening in the background because you don't. We respect everyone's privacy.
These forums exist as a service to PCGS invited guests. They are intended to facilitate the sharing of information, the joy of collecting and all the observations, stories and the other fun stuff we experience.
We don't mind, and even encourage, a healthy debate during the sharing of informed opinions. That doesn't mean tolerating emotional and ignorant statements that defame PCGS or anyone else. I made that very clear in the rules. The rules were born out of a necessity which unfortunately continues today.
This was the straw that broke the camel's back - PCGS is the biggest hypocrite in numismatics regarding coin doctoring.
Thanks to Don for sharing the details. Nobody wants to ban a user, so this was fair as I expected.
Dipping will always be a divisive issue.
But to keep this a friendly and positive environment, we have to be tolerant of things that we may dislike. If a user is unable to compromise in this way, they won't be able to participate in the rest. It's worth being tolerant.
It probably does no good to comment on these kinds of issues. We don't know the details and dwelling on such things just detracts from the experience for people. It's always painful when good posters are banned and it's certainly proper to comment that someone is/ was a good poster but more than this is probably detrimental. How can we know the circumstances so all that's left is being certain the powers that be know what we think.
Obviously the banning of someone of Stone's otherwise high stature is important news.
<< <i>I normally do not comment on these issues but perhaps something can be learned by everyone.
The offending poster already had been warned on two previous occasions. This was his third strike. Don't assume you know what is happening in the background because you don't. We respect everyone's privacy.
These forums exist as a service to PCGS invited guests. They are intended to facilitate the sharing of information, the joy of collecting and all the observations, stories and the other fun stuff we experience.
We don't mind, and even encourage, a healthy debate during the sharing of informed opinions. That doesn't mean tolerating emotional and ignorant statements that defame PCGS or anyone else. I made that very clear in the rules. The rules were born out of a necessity which unfortunately continues today.
This was the straw that broke the camel's back - PCGS is the biggest hypocrite in numismatics regarding coin doctoring.
I count on all of you to be self policing. >>
I was going to comment even before seeing this. I appreciate your sensitivity to the issue.
I don't know the poster in question and have never communicated with him. I don't know about the legal actions taken by PCGS regarding coin doctoring or whom they might be going after (if anyone).
I do know that PCGS has (apparently rather recently) gotten into the coin conservation business and I personally think that it's a good idea to have problem coins conserved because there are less and less problem free coins and they aren't making them anymore.
What I also know is that it's not a good idea to take pot shots at the host. It's bad form and suggests the poster has an axe to grind.
That all said, the banning of a popular poster tends to result in the occasional 5 page thread and like it or not, sheds light on the issues raised. I don't know how productive that really is?
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Sometimes a phone call to pcgs with questions and concerns would be more productive than a ranting post
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That said, I thought the "original" toning was motley at best and removing it not much different than removing PVC residue. And to those that collect coins with original surfaces, Good Luck. My collecting experience extends over 50 years and I have come to realize that standards change over time and generally for the benefit of collectors.
I hope that Stone will one day post on this forum, and he will come to understand that his communication skills should be structured to create the change that he seeks, without alienating our hosts and the hobby in general.
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<< <i>He was totally out of line and offensive. HERE: >>
Yeah, I was going to say the same thing. This was too much:
PCGS is the biggest hypocrite in numismatics regarding coin doctoring.
First they file a lawsuit against people that engage in such activities, then shortly thereafter they turn it into a business model!
I'm bummed he's gone. I enjoyed our public and private exchanges. But I knew he crossed the line there.
Lance. >>
...as soon as I saw that the Golden shareholder was the very next post capturing his original words in the form of a quote...I knew he was toast. No offense to the Golden shareholder, but it is logically safe to assume that he/she is no "troll" as some have wrongly assumed...but rather a new form of Moderator (NSA style). No hard feelings towards this action, just calling it like I see it. I love PCGS, I love CU and its forum. Enough said
Erik
<< <i>I saw the banning coming as soon as I read his thread. The forum rules explicitly state that posting a thread bashing PCGS or any other company will get you banned. It is not terribly difficult to play by the rules. >>
Lots of folks, dealers, and companies get bashed on a regular basis yet the posters aren't banned.
However, speak "harshly" of PCGS and the ax is soon to follow.
I expect that calling PCGS "hypocrites" is what brought out the blades.
Edited to add that since this thread has nothing to do with US Coins, it also could cause bannings..........................if the rules were followed to the letter.
"Rule 6) This forum is about US Coins. If your post is not directly related to US Coins then this is the wrong forum. Do not post it or your posting privileges may be removed."
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<< <i>His post was reckless and immature. Not really surprised he is banned. Hope he learns a lesson. >>
+1
Hopefully, an apology for bad manners will get a valuable contributor back.
"His post was reckless and immature. Not really surprised he is banned. Hope he learns a lesson."
+2
Not to mention completely off base.
I met Stone once at the FUN show. He is barely my daughter's age if memory serves me right. Lord knows how many chances I give her and my son!! LOL. Perhaps Don will make it a "Time out", but a second reckless comment warrants a permanent ban in my opinion. Wondercoin
edit for translation: Children and fools speak the truth.
"Rules are made to be broken, if they aren't right in the first place." That is a childish notion. Who determines if a 'rule' is 'right' to begin with? Rules here are posted and pretty dang easily understood. If you disagree as to the merit(s) of then simply lurk or don't participate at all (in a sign of quiet protest, I suppose).
- Perhaps as a collective we all have a voice, but trust me, as individuals, we most certainly do not. If these forums where to vanish instantly I doubt it would affect PCGS's bottom line and probably in many aspects, there might be a collective sigh of relief as certainly maintaining this is more of a chore than a 'profit'.
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<< <i>He was totally out of line and offensive. HERE:
If that is what it was. >>
No problem with stone but PCGS's logic is unimpeachable on this one. The cause and effect was predictable which is all one can hope for when trying to Comply with rules
As to realone's indignation, I would suggest you show them who's boss and protest by only buying NGC coins and going on a silent protest and not posting for months maybe years! That will show them.
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<< <i>I'll admit that when I read the statement regarding PCGS's business model, I cringed. >>
Ditto. If you post something like that on a company's website, you can't be too surprised when they show you the door.
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<< <i>If that was so bad then why did they not delete the thread? Maybe that wasn't it. >>
I don't think they can delete a post anymore.... Strange things seem to be happening with the forum software
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<< <i>He was totally out of line and offensive. HERE: >>
Yeah, I was going to say the same thing. This was too much:
PCGS is the biggest hypocrite in numismatics regarding coin doctoring.
First they file a lawsuit against people that engage in such activities, then shortly thereafter they turn it into a business model!
I'm bummed he's gone. I enjoyed our public and private exchanges. But I knew he crossed the line there.
Lance. >>
...as soon as I saw that the Golden shareholder was the very next post capturing his original words in the form of a quote...I knew he was toast. No offense to the Golden shareholder, but it is logically safe to assume that he/she is no "troll" as some have wrongly assumed...but rather a new form of Moderator (NSA style). No hard feelings towards this action, just calling it like I see it. I love PCGS, I love CU and its forum. Enough said
Erik >>
I didn't do anything except capture the original offending quote which was way out of line.
this presumes that no warning was given(it may have been) but Don is on record stating no warning will be given. also, I have it on good word that at least one member had PM's Stone about an earlier comment several weeks ago urging him to edit his post and back-off a little. he chose not to heed that sound advice.
as for the sacrificial lambs that might choose to take action, that seems unreasonable.
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<< <i>I'll admit that when I read the statement regarding PCGS's business model, I cringed. >>
Ditto. If you post something like that on a company's website, you can't be too surprised when they show you the door. >>
I agree it was a bit of a puke in the punch bowl.
The offending poster already had been warned on two previous occasions. This was his third strike. Don't assume you know what is happening in the background because you don't. We respect everyone's privacy.
These forums exist as a service to PCGS invited guests. They are intended to facilitate the sharing of information, the joy of collecting and all the observations, stories and the other fun stuff we experience.
We don't mind, and even encourage, a healthy debate during the sharing of informed opinions. That doesn't mean tolerating emotional and ignorant statements that defame PCGS or anyone else. I made that very clear in the rules. The rules were born out of a necessity which unfortunately continues today.
This was the straw that broke the camel's back - PCGS is the biggest hypocrite in numismatics regarding coin doctoring.
I count on all of you to be self policing.
Don
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<< <i>A huge loss to the members here. This way of handling free speech has to change. >>
Yet you don't come up with a single recommendation on how to accomplish this. >>
I'll bite.
Upgrade the forum software to something with better tools for moderators. The standard is to have an infraction system (points for screw ups) where privileges are lost as points accumulate. Points may or may not expire based on the severity of the offense. Granted, software and moderation cost time and money, but if you are serious about building a good online community where good users get to stick around, but are kept in line, that investment is required.
But with that said, PCGS doesn't owe this (or anything) to us, so don't take this as whining -- it's just the solution you asked for.
<< <i>I normally do not comment on these issues but perhaps something can be learned by everyone.
The offending poster already had been warned on two previous occasions. This was his third strike. Don't assume you know what is happening in the background because you don't. We respect everyone's privacy.
These forums exist as a service to PCGS invited guests. They are intended to facilitate the sharing of information, the joy of collecting and all the observations, stories and the other fun stuff we experience.
We don't mind, and even encourage, a healthy debate during the sharing of informed opinions. That doesn't mean tolerating emotional and ignorant statements that defame PCGS or anyone else. I made that very clear in the rules. The rules were born out of a necessity which unfortunately continues today.
This was the straw that broke the camel's back - PCGS is the biggest hypocrite in numismatics regarding coin doctoring.
I count on all of you to be self policing.
Don >>
Pretty reasonable, it seems to me -- thanks for the post, Don.
While I second that emotion, I may be wrong but I think that is a very rare thing here.
In fact, I am willing to bet that the number of users that have been bammed and then allowed to return under the same user-name could be counted on one hand. Two hands at the most.
How about starting a time banned, then very strict probation afterwards, at the discretion of the PCGS moderator?
+1
<< <i>Too bad Stone broke the forum rules, and after two previous warnings. I did feel his words were out of line for this forum's rules, but I will miss his input.
How about starting a time banned, then very strict probation afterwards, at the discretion of the PCGS moderator? >>
You mean like 4 strikes and you're out?
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<< <i>Too bad Stone broke the forum rules, and after two previous warnings. I did feel his words were out of line for this forum's rules, but I will miss his input.
How about starting a time banned, then very strict probation afterwards, at the discretion of the PCGS moderator? >>
You mean like 4 strikes and you're out? >>
I am sorry to laugh. I liked Stone , and I actually have a great love for many men who are not here. They stand on their own feet with their own views. I respect that.
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<< <i>A couple of quick, early morning thoughts:
"Rules are made to be broken, if they aren't right in the first place." That is a childish notion. Who determines if a 'rule' is 'right' to begin with? Rules here are posted and pretty dang easily understood. If you disagree as to the merit(s) of then simply lurk or don't participate at all (in a sign of quiet protest, I suppose).
- Perhaps as a collective we all have a voice, but trust me, as individuals, we most certainly do not. If these forums where to vanish instantly I doubt it would affect PCGS's bottom line and probably in many aspects, there might be a collective sigh of relief as certainly maintaining this is more of a chore than a 'profit'. >>
It might not affect their bottom line BUT you cannot dismiss the fact that many posters have joined the Collectors Club "because" of this forum. This includes me.
You also cannot dismiss the fact that many posters submit coins to PCGS "because" of these forums.
You also cannot dismiss the fact that PCGS's wallet has been fattened "because" of these forums.
You also cannot dismiss the fact that many Authorized PCGS Dealers "use" these forums to either advertise or promote their stores and/or coins.
Eliminating the forums would be a poor business choice IMO since the simple act of communicating with others that have like interests actually "promotes" the hobby AND PCGS.
As for the forums being a "chore"? Gimme a break. Administering to a forum is only a "chore" if you don't know what you are doing and have more experience in selling coins than you do in Computer Technology. There is absolutely NO reason that the President of PCGS should be administering to the forum as there are many adequate individuals that post on a regular basis that are more than qualified to act as "Admins" to control the forum content.
It's simply a question of authorizing the account.
The name is LEE!
Being disrespectful towards the home owner is all wrong.
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<< <i>I'll admit that when I read the statement regarding PCGS's business model, I cringed. >>
Ditto. If you post something like that on a company's website, you can't be too surprised when they show you the door. >>
I winced and remember exactly where I was when I read it.
MJ
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RMR: 'Wer, wenn ich schriee, hörte mich denn aus der Engel Ordnungen?'
CJ: 'No one!' [Ain't no angels in the coin biz]
<< <i>If that was so bad then why did they not delete the thread? Maybe that wasn't it. >>
Good point. I'm surprised the thread wasn't deleted after the bashing first began.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
<< <i>I like Stone (have met him in person). As far as I am concerned, he banned himself with the remark on the conservation thread. >>
He must have known what was going to happen by making such an inflamatory and insulting post. This wouldn't the first time a forum member committed suicide by moderator.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Some of you people are so perfect .. People can have personal accountability - and people still make mistakes. Not everybody goes through their whole adult life without having to apologize for having said or done something ill-advised or during the heat of the moment.
Many of these people who are so quick to judge and cry foul are the same people that would be begging the cop to not write them that speeding ticket -
Some people go their whole life without having to ask for a second chance or say sorry
Frauds and phonies and totally unrealistic speaking from the dais up in the sky
The only change I would like to see is a easier way to post pics. I am still clueless to do it.
NGC registry V-Nickel proof #6!!!!
working on proof shield nickels # 8 with a bullet!!!!
RIP "BEAR"
go to http://tinypic.com
upload your picture from your computer
then grab the "IMG Code for Forums & Message Boards" section. It starts with "[" has IMG in it and ends with "[/IMG]"
paste that where you want the pic to go.
On a windows device you can grab it by highlighting the entire text and hitting "control" and "C"
on Mac its "Command" and "C"
paste with "control" and "v" or "command" and "v"
done!!
<< <i>I normally do not comment on these issues but perhaps something can be learned by everyone.
The offending poster already had been warned on two previous occasions. This was his third strike. Don't assume you know what is happening in the background because you don't. We respect everyone's privacy.
These forums exist as a service to PCGS invited guests. They are intended to facilitate the sharing of information, the joy of collecting and all the observations, stories and the other fun stuff we experience.
We don't mind, and even encourage, a healthy debate during the sharing of informed opinions. That doesn't mean tolerating emotional and ignorant statements that defame PCGS or anyone else. I made that very clear in the rules. The rules were born out of a necessity which unfortunately continues today.
This was the straw that broke the camel's back - PCGS is the biggest hypocrite in numismatics regarding coin doctoring.
I count on all of you to be self policing.
Don >>
"WoW" Thanks for the update Don.
Hoard the keys.
Nobody wants to ban a user, so this was fair as I expected.
Dipping will always be a divisive issue.
But to keep this a friendly and positive environment, we have to be tolerant of things that we may dislike.
If a user is unable to compromise in this way, they won't be able to participate in the rest.
It's worth being tolerant.
and dwelling on such things just detracts from the experience for people. It's always painful
when good posters are banned and it's certainly proper to comment that someone is/ was
a good poster but more than this is probably detrimental. How can we know the circumstances
so all that's left is being certain the powers that be know what we think.
Obviously the banning of someone of Stone's otherwise high stature is important news.
<< <i>I normally do not comment on these issues but perhaps something can be learned by everyone.
The offending poster already had been warned on two previous occasions. This was his third strike. Don't assume you know what is happening in the background because you don't. We respect everyone's privacy.
These forums exist as a service to PCGS invited guests. They are intended to facilitate the sharing of information, the joy of collecting and all the observations, stories and the other fun stuff we experience.
We don't mind, and even encourage, a healthy debate during the sharing of informed opinions. That doesn't mean tolerating emotional and ignorant statements that defame PCGS or anyone else. I made that very clear in the rules. The rules were born out of a necessity which unfortunately continues today.
This was the straw that broke the camel's back - PCGS is the biggest hypocrite in numismatics regarding coin doctoring.
I count on all of you to be self policing.
>>
I was going to comment even before seeing this. I appreciate your sensitivity to the issue.
I do know that PCGS has (apparently rather recently) gotten into the coin conservation business and I personally think that it's a good idea to have problem coins conserved because there are less and less problem free coins and they aren't making them anymore.
What I also know is that it's not a good idea to take pot shots at the host. It's bad form and suggests the poster has an axe to grind.
That all said, the banning of a popular poster tends to result in the occasional 5 page thread and like it or not, sheds light on the issues raised. I don't know how productive that really is?