<< <i>So if you make an offer that's significantly below the asking price you're "a low baller". Is there a name for sellers who list items at ridiculously high prices? >>
<< <i>So if you make an offer that's significantly below the asking price you're "a low baller". Is there a name for sellers who list items at ridiculously high prices? >>
Yes, you're a Levi... >>
That's very well-played from the sidelines. >>
Very well played indeed. Had some interaction with 707 at the National(why I would subject myself to that I am not sure, but they do have some nice people and large inventory) but I digress. Looking at a 1968 Mantle in PSA 8 and ask the price, and this card always sells for $475-525 - nice example maybe $600-650. Ask the girl the price and she says $1000. I then ask if she can please verify the price since it seems like a mistake and she comes back from Levi and says the same - $1000. I politely ask her why it is $1000 and if I am missing something since it sells for and SMR's at around $500 everywhere. She says that it is high end and they are going to resubmit it and get an 8.5. She also says that is what they go for, and that I won't find it for under that price anywhere. At that point I mentioned I had seen 5-6 in the room for $500 and I could have my pick for that price - she then tells me there is no way. I told her thank you for checking and double checked one Natex had and Card Country and bought the one from Jeff for under $500 for my son. Why I check 707 I don't know. Some of the folks there are nice, but they are pricing like they insert a gold chip in every card
Steve-- I think you should start a separate thread about the viability of Levi's pricing strategies. We have not had one in awhile. I worry your point might get lost in this thread about Nottebart
I read in the past that Levi named his company 707 because it is just LOL upside down
<< <i>So if you make an offer that's significantly below the asking price you're "a low baller". Is there a name for sellers who list items at ridiculously high prices? >>
Yes, you're a Levi... >>
That's very well-played from the sidelines. >>
Very well played indeed. Had some interaction with 707 at the National(why I would subject myself to that I am not sure, but they do have some nice people and large inventory) but I digress. Looking at a 1968 Mantle in PSA 8 and ask the price, and this card always sells for $475-525 - nice example maybe $600-650. Ask the girl the price and she says $1000. I then ask if she can please verify the price since it seems like a mistake and she comes back from Levi and says the same - $1000. I politely ask her why it is $1000 and if I am missing something since it sells for and SMR's at around $500 everywhere. She says that it is high end and they are going to resubmit it and get an 8.5. She also says that is what they go for, and that I won't find it for under that price anywhere. At that point I mentioned I had seen 5-6 in the room for $500 and I could have my pick for that price - she then tells me there is no way. I told her thank you for checking and double checked one Natex had and Card Country and bought the one from Jeff for under $500 for my son. Why I check 707 I don't know. Some of the folks there are nice, but they are pricing like they insert a gold chip in every card >>
For what it's worth, Levi does offer some exceptional cards. I have gotten a few from him over the years that blow away others in their grade-- and of the few I got from him, every one of those I reviewed bumped. He's also a straight up guy whom you know will send the card and offer a refund no hassle if there's a problem once in hand. If contacted directly he will work with you on price. End of the day the man had the best centered Paige SP, '34 Goudey Gehrig #37, and 52B Mick I ever came across. And the fullest square top cut Ted Williams Wilson Franks I'd also seen.
Cannot figure out why the OP is taking so much grief. He made an offer on an item--reasonable or not--and was subjected to unnecessary verbal abuse. What is this Mullins character so pissed about? I don't get it.
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Read the old post on Mullins and the Gretzky debacle, and only confirms the character of the person supporting the rude and nasty Ebay seller on this board. Would not buy or sell from him just reading his posts about the rude Ebay seller, and after seeing his response to bogus Gretzky cards everyone can see his values. What a piece of work.
Mullins, do you have any of those fake Gretzky's for sale? I'd like to make you a reasonable offer, but below your asking price. And yes, you can curse me out in your reply to my offer.
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The biggest lesson I've learned in this hobby, and in life, is that if you have a strong conviction, you owe it to yourself to see it through. Don't sell yourself, or your investments, short. Unless the facts change. Then sell it all.
I have been reading this thread as long as it has run and am surprised by many of the comments regarding the OP.
I have no pony in this race so it doesn't really matter to me either way but the actions of the seller are inexcusable in any circumstance save that of the OP attacking him verbally first.
'Value' of an item is determined by what someone will pay for it not by an asking price. Whether or not the offer was below 'market value' should not result in a verbal onslaught. The seller was out of line period and it doesn't matter if he is going through rough times, it takes more effort to peck off those messages than not.
Just my two cents. That and $1.99 will get you a cup of coffee somewhere (not Starbucks).
Unopened threads(which derail also), with more valuable information regarding that business, go POOF! But one like this which has derailed multiple times in 9 pages remains. CU Forum logic
There isn't one person in this entire thread who thinks the seller's behavior and language is acceptable -- including me. Nowhere, in over 170 posts, does someone agree with this behavior.
With that said...
The OP came here and copy/pasted conversations with this guy. He gave us his contact information. Inadvertently, he opened the guy up for the onslaught of low-ball offers that would follow.
With that said....
It's disturbing, at least to me, that so many people here would go to his auction and place bids solely with the purpose to annoy him. It was discussed that, perhaps, the seller has mental issues. If so, why bully him? Move on...
...which is, what I think, should have been done from the beginning. Make an offer, whatever you think is fair, and if the seller cusses you, move on.
And I contacted the seller simply to get his side. Who knows if what the OP even said is true (it is, BTW) but the OP could've made the whole thing up. What's wrong with inviting someone to share their side of a story?
The whole Gretzky debacle is one of the main reasons PSA cleaned the forum up.
When I was a kid I put together several '79 OPC Hockey sets (without Gretzky cards, of course).
About 10 years ago (when I was much younger and didn't fully understand the counterfeit card market and scams) I bought a stack of what were advertised as "reprints" (actually counterfeits, but I didn't understand the difference between a reprint and counterfeit) from someone online to put in these sets.
The leftovers I offered here on the BST forum.
This is where it all started.
For months and months and months I was harassed via the message boards for this. A group members began calling my place of work, then the corporate offices making complaints about me. My employers kept me through most of it but eventually had a sit-down with me and had to let me go because it was "too much"
Not a HUGE deal since I didn't have anybody but myself to support at the time, being in college, but the lengths board members made to hurt me was truly disgusting and I guess this is why I have some "beef" with people here bully others.
<< <i>This is a public forum and people should be able to post whatever they darn well feel like. ebay auctions are PUBLIC (I'm not screaming BTW) auctions subject to public reviews. As long as any member is posting the truth, then there's nothing wrong with sharing one's experiences, good or bad.
As far as I can tell, there is nothing I have read from the OP that seems out of line. MULLINS5, you've gone out of your way to antagonize the OP repeatedly mentioning how his "feelings were hurt" and calling him a "low-baller", neither of which seems to be the case to me. And furthermore, you've gone out of your way to minimize the deplorable actions of the seller. The strongest position you've taken is that the seller should not have acted that way. I wonder how you'd feel if your mother or daughter were at a flea market and a vendor responded to them with such disgusting vitriol. >>
I have neither, but they'd at least have enough class not to run to a forum and complain that their less than 15% offer was rejected with some rough language.
I feel that even if the auto-decline was set in place, a thread would have been started about how off the seller's asking price is.
This is not a public forum. This is a privately paid forum by Collectors Universe.
I'm not minimizing the "deplorable" actions of the seller, once again, I disagree with how he handled it.
It's the people who sunk below his level and purposely low balled him that have minimized the seller's actions.
<< <i>This IS a public forum for cards in every sense of the connotative term. Virtually EVERY forum is held by some company or business and subject to moderation. But it is indeed a PUBLIC forum for talking about cards and memorabilia, and transactions related to them. >>
You beat me to a reply Baseball. If it can be viewed by anyone on the Internet, then it is indeed a public forum. This thread has obviously run its course. Bounce seems to have taken the high road and is no longer posting anything. Happy Labor Day everybody.
"Nobody's ever gone the distance with Creed, and if I can go that distance, you see, and that bell rings and I'm still standin', I'm gonna know for the first time in my life, see, that I weren't just another bum from the neighborhood."
So, I've been thinking about this thread today while around the house and mowing the lawn and would like to extend a sincere apology to those who I posted eBay usernames.
I don't know anything about pricing baseballs, so maybe the OP is right on the "value" of this ball, but I do believe that sending such a low offer compared to the asking price is just rude. With that said, the OP still shouldn't have received the onslaught that he did via eBay, and here, instigated by me.
This isn't an attempt to exonerate what I did. But I do want people to know that I am sorry for the drama.
Now, let's see who gets to 200 to win that Orlando photo!
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Might need more popcorn.....
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<< <i>So if you make an offer that's significantly below the asking price you're "a low baller". Is there a name for sellers who list items at ridiculously high prices? >>
Yes, you're a Levi... >>
That's very well-played from the sidelines.
<< <i>woah woah woah, let's all take a step back here and get the facts. Was this ball FASC or not? >>
I believe so (save for the time it was inspected at customs).
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<< <i>So if you make an offer that's significantly below the asking price you're "a low baller". Is there a name for sellers who list items at ridiculously high prices? >>
Yes, you're a Levi... >>
That's very well-played from the sidelines. >>
Very well played indeed. Had some interaction with 707 at the National(why I would subject myself to that I am not sure, but they do have some nice people and large inventory) but I digress. Looking at a 1968 Mantle in PSA 8 and ask the price, and this card always sells for $475-525 - nice example maybe $600-650. Ask the girl the price and she says $1000. I then ask if she can please verify the price since it seems like a mistake and she comes back from Levi and says the same - $1000. I politely ask her why it is $1000 and if I am missing something since it sells for and SMR's at around $500 everywhere. She says that it is high end and they are going to resubmit it and get an 8.5. She also says that is what they go for, and that I won't find it for under that price anywhere. At that point I mentioned I had seen 5-6 in the room for $500 and I could have my pick for that price - she then tells me there is no way. I told her thank you for checking and double checked one Natex had and Card Country and bought the one from Jeff for under $500 for my son. Why I check 707 I don't know. Some of the folks there are nice, but they are pricing like they insert a gold chip in every card
Steve-- I think you should start a separate thread about the viability of Levi's pricing strategies. We have not had one in awhile. I worry your point might get lost in this thread about Nottebart
I read in the past that Levi named his company 707 because it is just LOL upside down
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<< <i>So if you make an offer that's significantly below the asking price you're "a low baller". Is there a name for sellers who list items at ridiculously high prices? >>
Yes, you're a Levi... >>
That's very well-played from the sidelines. >>
Very well played indeed. Had some interaction with 707 at the National(why I would subject myself to that I am not sure, but they do have some nice people and large inventory) but I digress. Looking at a 1968 Mantle in PSA 8 and ask the price, and this card always sells for $475-525 - nice example maybe $600-650. Ask the girl the price and she says $1000. I then ask if she can please verify the price since it seems like a mistake and she comes back from Levi and says the same - $1000. I politely ask her why it is $1000 and if I am missing something since it sells for and SMR's at around $500 everywhere. She says that it is high end and they are going to resubmit it and get an 8.5. She also says that is what they go for, and that I won't find it for under that price anywhere. At that point I mentioned I had seen 5-6 in the room for $500 and I could have my pick for that price - she then tells me there is no way. I told her thank you for checking and double checked one Natex had and Card Country and bought the one from Jeff for under $500 for my son. Why I check 707 I don't know. Some of the folks there are nice, but they are pricing like they insert a gold chip in every card
For what it's worth, Levi does offer some exceptional cards. I have gotten a few from him over the years that blow away others in their grade-- and of the few I got from him, every one of those I reviewed bumped. He's also a straight up guy whom you know will send the card and offer a refund no hassle if there's a problem once in hand. If contacted directly he will work with you on price. End of the day the man had the best centered Paige SP, '34 Goudey Gehrig #37, and 52B Mick I ever came across. And the fullest square top cut Ted Williams Wilson Franks I'd also seen.
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Eyebone
IG: goatcollectibles23
The biggest lesson I've learned in this hobby, and in life, is that if you have a strong conviction, you owe it to yourself to see it through. Don't sell yourself, or your investments, short. Unless the facts change. Then sell it all.
I have no pony in this race so it doesn't really matter to me either way but the actions of the seller are inexcusable in any circumstance save that of the OP attacking him verbally first.
'Value' of an item is determined by what someone will pay for it not by an asking price. Whether or not the offer was below 'market value' should not result in a verbal onslaught. The seller was out of line period and it doesn't matter if he is going through rough times, it takes more effort to peck off those messages than not.
Just my two cents. That and $1.99 will get you a cup of coffee somewhere (not Starbucks).
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With that said...
The OP came here and copy/pasted conversations with this guy. He gave us his contact information. Inadvertently, he opened the guy up for the onslaught of low-ball offers that would follow.
With that said....
It's disturbing, at least to me, that so many people here would go to his auction and place bids solely with the purpose to annoy him. It was discussed that, perhaps, the seller has mental issues. If so, why bully him? Move on...
...which is, what I think, should have been done from the beginning. Make an offer, whatever you think is fair, and if the seller cusses you, move on.
And I contacted the seller simply to get his side. Who knows if what the OP even said is true (it is, BTW) but the OP could've made the whole thing up. What's wrong with inviting someone to share their side of a story?
When I was a kid I put together several '79 OPC Hockey sets (without Gretzky cards, of course).
About 10 years ago (when I was much younger and didn't fully understand the counterfeit card market and scams) I bought a stack of what were advertised as "reprints" (actually counterfeits, but I didn't understand the difference between a reprint and counterfeit) from someone online to put in these sets.
The leftovers I offered here on the BST forum.
This is where it all started.
For months and months and months I was harassed via the message boards for this. A group members began calling my place of work, then the corporate offices making complaints about me. My employers kept me through most of it but eventually had a sit-down with me and had to let me go because it was "too much"
Not a HUGE deal since I didn't have anybody but myself to support at the time, being in college, but the lengths board members made to hurt me was truly disgusting and I guess this is why I have some "beef" with people here bully others.
<< <i>This is a public forum and people should be able to post whatever they darn well feel like. ebay auctions are PUBLIC (I'm not screaming BTW) auctions subject to public reviews. As long as any member is posting the truth, then there's nothing wrong with sharing one's experiences, good or bad.
As far as I can tell, there is nothing I have read from the OP that seems out of line. MULLINS5, you've gone out of your way to antagonize the OP repeatedly mentioning how his "feelings were hurt" and calling him a "low-baller", neither of which seems to be the case to me. And furthermore, you've gone out of your way to minimize the deplorable actions of the seller. The strongest position you've taken is that the seller should not have acted that way. I wonder how you'd feel if your mother or daughter were at a flea market and a vendor responded to them with such disgusting vitriol. >>
I have neither, but they'd at least have enough class not to run to a forum and complain that their less than 15% offer was rejected with some rough language.
I feel that even if the auto-decline was set in place, a thread would have been started about how off the seller's asking price is.
This is not a public forum. This is a privately paid forum by Collectors Universe.
I'm not minimizing the "deplorable" actions of the seller, once again, I disagree with how he handled it.
It's the people who sunk below his level and purposely low balled him that have minimized the seller's actions.
<< <i>This IS a public forum for cards in every sense of the connotative term. Virtually EVERY forum is held by some company or business and subject to moderation. But it is indeed a PUBLIC forum for talking about cards and memorabilia, and transactions related to them. >>
You beat me to a reply Baseball. If it can be viewed by anyone on the Internet, then it is indeed a public forum. This thread has obviously run its course. Bounce seems to have taken the high road and is no longer posting anything. Happy Labor Day everybody.
<< <i>DBOTY? >>
There's a thread for that.
The guy that moderates that place is a real jerk, though.
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I don't know anything about pricing baseballs, so maybe the OP is right on the "value" of this ball, but I do believe that sending such a low offer compared to the asking price is just rude. With that said, the OP still shouldn't have received the onslaught that he did via eBay, and here, instigated by me.
This isn't an attempt to exonerate what I did. But I do want people to know that I am sorry for the drama.
Now, let's see who gets to 200 to win that Orlando photo!
cheers