Flying off the handle after receiving a lowball offer is unprofessional. There is absolutely no reason to take the low offer personally, the best course of action is to ignore the offer.
Wow, that person needs to get on some meds...just not that serious.
1. Report or not report but definitely block. 2. Don't fight, walk away.
When I used to list BINs, I would get pretty low offers...if I didn't counter, I would reject and forget about it. It happens. For those that have given another side to this story and sided with the seller in any fashion, you're simply not getting it. Lashing out evil mean spirited craziness like that is just plain sick...no rationale for behavior like that other than medication and or hospitalization.
On the other hand, sending him multiple low ball bids from various accounts is fun and funny indeed , just would hate for the retaliation as it would get boring to me.
"Hate to say this but if I had an item I thought was worth $225 and a potential purchaser with the BO option only offered about 15 percent of what I asked I'd probably have a similar reaction (and you would as a seller as well)
Sometimes if you make what a person believes to be an insulting offer, you will get this type of response. The better questions to ask are, how long have you been looking for this item and have you seen others.
If the answers were no, then you can understand where the seller came from.
Just throwing out the other side of the argument."
Rich
Rich, It's one thing to feel insulted with an offer. It's completely different to respond to the offer with a profane laced tirade. Why this individual took a low offer as a personal insult speaks volumes as to his character. A rational person would simply decline the offer and move on. A mentally deranged person or one who has decided to stop taking needed medication would over react as this seller did. As to what the seller thinks it's worth I don't think there is any solid basis for placing a $225 tag on the item. A good idea of value is what someone else is willing to pay for the item.
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<< <i>Offers are often starting points for negotiations, that is why there is such a thing as a counteroffer. Like many of you said, if you don't want to waste your time with a low offer, set the auto reject, but I do not think that is a good idea because of multiple occasions, I have come to an agreed price from a low starting offer.
Also, if you take the time to list items, is it really that much more time consuming to send a counter offer? Is your precious time that valuable?
As others have said, you can list for whatever price you want & you can offer whatever price you want. How can anybody argue this?
No matter what that ball is valued at, this seller is way out of line & truly a classless jerk! I will send him my offer, I feel it is my duty to. >>
Most rational people do not get upset with offers, low or not, and I agree that negotiations have to start somewhere. The auto-reject option is perfect for individuals that take low offers personally and respond the way this seller does.
The seller is clearly an idiot. If he just used the option to automatically decline offers under a certain amount he would never have to deal with offers that he believes are lowball. He is a true idiot
I don't understand the percentage talk. There was a guy selling everything $500 obo including boxes of 84 topps baseball. They were $50 at the time and if you offered anything over 10%, you were getting ripped off. A lowball is based on the value of an item, not crazy asking prices. Another thing is that people do accept offers at low percentages of their crazy asking price.
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I understand it can be frustrating to see something that you may want for your collection at a price you are unwilling to pay, but we should not low-ball sellers or whine and cry to our wife, kids, dog, friends and a message board because of it. BMW, 707, et cetera...it's never ending. Just move on. We don't know anything about these sellers or their business model/rational.
If I were into selling sports cards online I'd spend advertising dollars on something popular like a Mickey Mantle PSA Topps 1952 and price it high in order to drive traffic to the store, without the intention to sell it. Personally, I wouldn't go overboard with it, but if I spent 10,000 on one and put it in my shop for 15,000 the world would come to an end for some.
How I deal with all eBay Buy It Nows: I message the seller and explain that I do not like the eBay 3 offer policy and ask what is the absolute best they'd be willing to do. Then I make the offer or move on.
Seller flying off the handle, childish. Grouping together and continuing to send best offers one knows will not be accepted, childish. Neither of which likely to deter either of the childish behaviors in the future. Two wrongs, regardless of severity of wrong or how unprofessional are ever going to make a right. Offer was made, he declined, person who made offer saw fit to respond back as did a few on here. No winners in this...
<< <i>It's one thing to feel insulted with an offer. It's completely different to respond to the offer with a profane laced tirade. Why this individual took a low offer as a personal insult speaks volumes as to his character. A rational person would simply decline the offer and move on. A mentally deranged person or one who has decided to stop taking needed medication would over react as this seller did. >>
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'Sir, I realize it's been difficult for you to sleep at night without your EX/MT 1977 Topps Tom Seaver, but I swear to you that you'll get it safe and sound.' -CDs Nuts, 1/20/14
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<< <i>Hate to say this but if I had an item I thought was worth $225 and a potential purchaser with the BO option only offered about 15 percent of what I asked I'd probably have a similar reaction (and you would as a seller as well)
Sometimes if you make what a person believes to be an insulting offer, you will get this type of response. The better questions to ask are, how long have you been looking for this item and have you seen others.
If the answers were no, then you can understand where the seller came from.
Just throwing out the other side of the argument.
Rich >>
Sorry Rich, but I have to disagree. This seller starting in with vulgarities and four letter words. Any reasonable person over the age of 16 should know how to behave slightly better than that.
I think the seller should just used fixed price and no BIN if he can't handle low offers. I also think there's no way I'd offer such a low amount in relation to the asking price. If I see a BIN $200 OBO, I'm not going to bother offering less than, say, $150 b/c I have a good idea of how the seller values the item.
First off, sellers have the right to sell their items for what they want. As a seller I would not waste my time listing a $30 item for $450. I am not going to waste my time because obviously it wont sell. Saying this the seller might really think this item is hard to find or very desirable. So for a buyer to insult the seller with a 15% offer is extremely concerning and I see why he responded how he did. Not that it was right but neither was your offer Bounce. I understand you wanting to negotiate to find a common ground but that was not cool in my opinion to start at such a low number. The seller definately needs to be reported to Ebay.
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<< <i>I'm in no way defending the psycho seller, but it was a waste of time to submit a $32 offer on an item with a $225 BIN. I understand (and follow) the logic of submitting a starting offer in order to get a counter that you can weigh, but you can't be that far off the reservation to start. Just my two cents. >>
Regarding offering a certain "percentage" of the BIN price to make the offer "reasonable": I have seen auctions in which a seller will accept an offer far less than 1/2 of the asking price, so I would personally offer whatever I think the item is worth and let the chips fall where they may. I used to refrain from even making an offer if the BIN price was very high, but there are sellers who will set a BIN price at a crazy amount thinking that psychologically if a bidder makes an offer even 1/4 of that, they will think they are getting "a deal," when in fact they are paying market value then anyway. A buyer can't predict however when a seller is just an idiot.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>"Go f%^& yourself. Who the f%^& are you? How about you start getting about 20 bullsh*^ offers a day. On your old @&& sports illustrated that NOBODY WANTS. You want to know the difference between you and I? I make 6 figures a year at my profession, you try and scrape by selling anything you can find to try and stay above the poverty level. I own people like you. Either way, you and your opinion don't amount to $#!^. So go f%^& yourself welfare case. Enjoy your day broke boy. Keep grinding it out. - sportssigned160" >>
The seller is completely out of line here. If they are offended at the offer, they can simply decline, not respond at all or they can block the bidder if they want to go that route. The seller should just simply set an auto-decline to avoid this. To tell somebody to F#ck off because they are offended at the offer is way offline, and should result in banning/suspension for the seller imo.
<< <i>First off, sellers have the right to sell their items for what they want. As a seller I would not waste my time listing a $30 item for $450. I am not going to waste my time because obviously it wont sell. Saying this the seller might really think this item is hard to find or very desirable. So for a buyer to insult the seller with a 15% offer is extremely concerning and I see why he responded how he did. Not that it was right but neither was your offer Bounce. I understand you wanting to negotiate to find a common ground but that was not cool in my opinion to start at such a low number. The seller definately needs to be reported to Ebay. >>
Why should the offer price be related to the asking price? I just bought an item last week for 20% of the asking price and seller was so happy to move the merchandise that they offered me extra's.
<< <i>First off, sellers have the right to sell their items for what they want. As a seller I would not waste my time listing a $30 item for $450. I am not going to waste my time because obviously it wont sell. Saying this the seller might really think this item is hard to find or very desirable. So for a buyer to insult the seller with a 15% offer is extremely concerning and I see why he responded how he did. Not that it was right but neither was your offer Bounce. I understand you wanting to negotiate to find a common ground but that was not cool in my opinion to start at such a low number. The seller definately needs to be reported to Ebay. >>
I'm a little confused Shane. Are you saying that if I offer a 1954 Aaron RC PSA 8 for $60,000 then its wrong for someone to offer me $9000 (a realistic value for the item)?
It really depends on what the value of the offered item is, doesn't it.
And even so, we're all in agreement that a seller needs to deal with "insulting" lo-ball offers in a more mature way.
70s -You are right on your example, however if a PSA 8 Aaron is listed for $60K when others have been selling in the neighborhood of $7-10K obviously the seller is not being realistic. From what Bounce has said the item does not come up for sale very often and so perhaps the sellers situation is more in line with his asking price vs. your example.
Don't get me wrong the seller was wrong in how he expressed his reply.
Looking for high grade rookie cards and unopened boxes/cases
I wish I could make an offer, but it seems like the items is no longer listed.
Seller is exceptionally rude. Period.
I understand that some may think that sending in an offer of 15% is ridiculous. Honestly, for a player that died seven years ago, a $32 offer does not sound particularly generous. That said, the seller can easily set up a very basic algorithm for which offers he'll accept and which ones he won't. Auto decline is so easy to do -- my view is that the seller is way in the wrong here, but the bidder didn't do himself an favours either. Move on -- this signature is not so tough that you cannot find another example from someone with whom you're willing to deal-
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There are times when I get an offer that is about 25% of my BIN price and my first reaction is "stop wasting my time". Then I look at the item and realize that yes a year ago that BIN price made sense but not so much anymore and I accept the offer.
I've purchased many a card at 15-25% of asking price; a few times to my benefit, normally at around market value, and, on occasion, I've even still overpaid. I get 15-25% offers of actual market value all the time; I typically leave them open and let them expire naturally - maybe sending a message to the potential customer with my lowest price - in order to create market buzz and the appearance of competition.
In some ways low balls are annoying, but in others - at least on high demand items - they're actually a marketing tool. No reason to blow a gasket.
<< <i>I understand it can be frustrating to see something that you may want for your collection at a price you are unwilling to pay, but we should not low-ball sellers or whine and cry to our wife, kids, dog, friends and a message board because of it. BMW, 707, et cetera… >>
<< <i>So for a buyer to insult the seller with a 15% offer is extremely concerning and I see why he responded how he did. >>
You're are acting like somehow it's a "fact" that I "low balled" him. That's simply not true. I didn't low ball him in terms of anything other than his Buy It Now price.
Nottebart autographs usually get anywhere from $.99 to $15, an 8x10 recently sold for $.99. My offer is anywhere 3 to 40 times what other signatures of his have sold for. 40 TIMES HIGHER - that really can't be considered even a reasonable starting place? For a guy that most people on this forum don't even know much about and that the normal person would be as likely to identify as a car dealer than a baseball player?
The question is really what is the ball worth, right? Is it really $200? I don't think it is, but even if it was would I have really been the first guy to submit an offer on it? Unlikely. If it was really that scarce and desirable, someone would have found it before I did. I do this kind of search every few WEEKS, and low and behold I find 2 out there this time.
So let's say it's actually worth $100 (which is the opening bid for an auction currently listed with no bids so far), if it was then $225 is a pretty high price to put on it to start, but some sellers do that. It's their prerogative.
But what if it was actually worth $50-60? Of course then again, why would it even matter?
<< <i>I message the seller and explain that I do not like the eBay 3 offer policy and ask what is the absolute best they'd be willing to do. >>
So you're suggesting I should message the seller and ask them if it's ok for me to submit an offer? LOL! Didn't the seller kind of already say it was ok to send offers by clicking the "accept offers" button? Maybe I can develop a new button for eBay that say "Allow buyers to send me offers that I think are reasonable." Wait, they already did that by allowing auto decline below certain levels, or auto accept above another.
I don't use the best offer option at all on my Nascar diecast listings just to avoid getting hit with constant low ball offers. Occasionally though, somebody will still send me a message with an offer. While I used to either not respond or simply say no thanks to the unrealistic ones, I've had a lot more luck recently with thanking them for the offer and just stating the lowest amount I will take, even if they are waaaay off. Typically they never respond, but every once in awhile it results in a sale. Not only did that guy not sell anything by acting like a jerk, now he's got a bunch of people who will never buy anything from him and more low offers than he has words in his vocabulary!
<< <i>Honestly, for a player that died seven years ago, a $32 offer does not sound particularly generous. >>
Why? How many collectors out there have a Nottebart in their collection? How many even want one?
I've been racking my brain for someone to compare him to, and the best I can do is Dan Quisenberry (and even that's probably not a great one). With Quisenberry you get a guy who was a 3X all star, world series champ and had 6th most saves ever when he retired. He was more well known for sure, which probably meant more supply of autographs potentially, but he's not highly sought after and yet is somewhat rare.
Quisenberry died in 1998, so 9 years earlier. His signed baseballs run like $40-100.
How many other players out there that never went to an All Star game, never were on a championship team, didn't play for one of the most popular teams in the league at that or any other time with a career record of 36-51 would get $100 for a signed ball? Even $50?
Again, maybe my offer was low in context of the BIN price, but I don't think it was in the context of what it's actually worth.
<< <i>I understand it can be frustrating to see something that you may want for your collection at a price you are unwilling to pay, but we should not low-ball sellers or whine and cry to our wife, kids, dog, friends and a message board because of it. BMW, 707, et cetera… >>
<< <i>So for a buyer to insult the seller with a 15% offer is extremely concerning and I see why he responded how he did. >>
You're are acting like somehow it's a "fact" that I "low balled" him. That's simply not true. I didn't low ball him in terms of anything other than his Buy It Now price.
Nottebart autographs usually get anywhere from $.99 to $15, an 8x10 recently sold for $.99. My offer is anywhere 3 to 40 times what other signatures of his have sold for. 40 TIMES HIGHER - that really can't be considered even a reasonable starting place? For a guy that most people on this forum don't even know much about and that the normal person would be as likely to identify as a car dealer than a baseball player?
The question is really what is the ball worth, right? Is it really $200? I don't think it is, but even if it was would I have really been the first guy to submit an offer on it? Unlikely. If it was really that scarce and desirable, someone would have found it before I did. I do this kind of search every few WEEKS, and low and behold I find 2 out there this time.
So let's say it's actually worth $100 (which is the opening bid for an auction currently listed with no bids so far), if it was then $225 is a pretty high price to put on it to start, but some sellers do that. It's their prerogative.
But what if it was actually worth $50-60? Of course then again, why would it even matter?
<< <i>I message the seller and explain that I do not like the eBay 3 offer policy and ask what is the absolute best they'd be willing to do. >>
So you're suggesting I should message the seller and ask them if it's ok for me to submit an offer? LOL! Didn't the seller kind of already say it was ok to send offers by clicking the "accept offers" button? Maybe I can develop a new button for eBay that say "Allow buyers to send me offers that I think are reasonable." Wait, they already did that by allowing auto decline below certain levels, or auto accept above another. >>
There's no need to get all upset about someone's opinions....
...how ironic.
Anyways, your examples don't work because you've yet to cite one you made an offer on. Show me a ball with that exact inscription and let's see what it sold for.
Buy It Now sale NOT auction.
Buy It Now's are a retail value vs auction which is a wholesale.
If you want the convenience to buy an item sitting in someone's shop/inventory you'll usually pay a premium, unless you're lucky enough to get in on a 7-day auction... then you may be able to snag a good wholesale price for it. Anyways, please cite examples.
did anyone else notice that the seller seems to have a run of autographed Cubs stuff related to the '69 team, of which Nottebart was a member, and has already managed a sale or two on his auto'd balls for not incredibly bad prices and that maybe his motivation has something to do with the historical significance of the team?
<< <i>Honestly, for a player that died seven years ago, a $32 offer does not sound particularly generous. >>
Why? How many collectors out there have a Nottebart in their collection? How many even want one?
I've been racking my brain for someone to compare him to, and the best I can do is Dan Quisenberry (and even that's probably not a great one). With Quisenberry you get a guy who was a 3X all star, world series champ and had 6th most saves ever when he retired. He was more well known for sure, which probably meant more supply of autographs potentially, but he's not highly sought after and yet is somewhat rare.
Quisenberry died in 1998, so 9 years earlier. His signed baseballs run like $40-100.
How many other players out there that never went to an All Star game, never were on a championship team, didn't play for one of the most popular teams in the league at that or any other time with a career record of 36-51 would get $100 for a signed ball? Even $50?
Again, maybe my offer was low in context of the BIN price, but I don't think it was in the context of what it's actually worth. >>
Is this question for the op or those who are acting like it was a low ball? >>
Intended for the OP since he hasn't cited any real examples to justify his insultingly low offer.
He mentioned photographs, a ball with an inscription to a low-spot in his career, et cetera. Yet to cite a ball like the one he had his feeling hurt over.
But, I'm curious what the prices are for this ball. So, if anybody knows what they really go for via Buy It Now, please chime in.
Is this question for the op or those who are acting like it was a low ball? >>
Intended for the OP since he hasn't cited any real examples to justify his insultingly low offer.
He mentioned photographs, a ball with an inscription to a low-spot in his career, et cetera. Yet to cite a ball like the one he had his feeling hurt over.
But, I'm curious what the prices are for this ball. So, if anybody knows what they really go for via Buy It Now, please chime in. >>
I'm sorry, I'm a little lost here. Is the debate about how this seller reacted to an offer? or has the thread been hijacked and the debate is if the OP's offer is a low ball offer?
If it is about how the seller has reacted, I don't see how anybody on this board can truthfully defend him?
If it is about low balling offers, how can you ignore the fact that many a transactions start with a seller starting with a high BIN, a seller submitting a low offer, and after some negotiations, both the seller & buyer are happy campers!
Is this question for the op or those who are acting like it was a low ball? >>
Intended for the OP since he hasn't cited any real examples to justify his insultingly low offer.
He mentioned photographs, a ball with an inscription to a low-spot in his career, et cetera. Yet to cite a ball like the one he had his feeling hurt over.
But, I'm curious what the prices are for this ball. So, if anybody knows what they really go for via Buy It Now, please chime in. >>
Mullins - I'm not upset, I simply shared an experience that was related to a topic we've discussed on the forum before. That's not irony.
And you called me out with all this "prove it" stuff, not the other way around.
Why I need to "prove" anything I'm not sure, however I am willing to humor you and share what I know based on my experience with this stuff, which I imagine is about as much experience as there may be at least on this forum. Maybe I'm not an expert, but with over 1,000 total signatures in my collection and over 20 years of collecting autographs in person and at shows, I think I actually do know a thing or two.
As far as Nottebart specifically, there aren't any examples on eBay of the same ball with the same inscription selling, at least not in the past period of time you can search. What we do have are other autographed items, 8x10s, cards, index cards, etc. that have sold between $0.99 and $15.00. There's another baseball currently listed with two inscriptions that doesn't have a bid at $100. I guess we shall see what happens with it, but I'm not even sure that one auction sets a "market" and I will be quite surprised if it gets that bid. The last Nottebart 8x10 I bought cost me all of $6.75, and all the cards were under $5.
I've been working to put together my own Astros no-hitter collections, in 8x10s first, then cards, then baseballs. That list is: Don Nottebart Ken Johnson Don Wilson (2 NHs) Larry Dierker Ken Forsch Nolan Ryan Mike Scott Darryl Kile Oswalt/Wagner/4 others combined against the Yankees
Don Wilson is a difficult signature on most anything, best way is probably via team signed baseballs. He died in 1975, so there's just not much out there and varies widely in price. Single signed baseballs are pretty tough to find, I've seen them listed before in the $500-600 range, but they don't generally sell in that range. The ones I saw didn't anyway.
Ken Johnson is probably next most difficult. He played for 7 different teams in like 13 years, and actually LOST the game he threw the no hitter in. Plenty of options on cards and such although he also did a lot of personalizing, single signed baseballs are more rare but that's as much a function of an unremarkable playing career as anything else. They are still out there, mainly because he threw that no hitter. He's still alive but in his 80s now.
Nottebart is not all that rare of a signature, but a single signed ball again isn't something you see frequently. Also more to do with an unremarkable career than anything else. He actually won his no hitter, but gave up a run.
Dierker and Ryan are easy finds, Forsch is also out there in pretty good quantity. Kile is somewhat expensive relatively, but not really rare so he just requires some patience.
The 6 pitcher no hitter guys did a signing for TriStar shortly after it happened, and those signed photos and baseballs pop up periodically. They are usually listed pretty high (multiple hundreds of dollars) and don't sell.
<< <i>I understand it can be frustrating to see something that you may want for your collection at a price you are unwilling to pay, but we should not low-ball sellers or whine and cry to our wife, kids, dog, friends and a message board because of it. BMW, 707, et cetera… >>
<< <i>So for a buyer to insult the seller with a 15% offer is extremely concerning and I see why he responded how he did. >>
You're are acting like somehow it's a "fact" that I "low balled" him. That's simply not true. I didn't low ball him in terms of anything other than his Buy It Now price.
Nottebart autographs usually get anywhere from $.99 to $15, an 8x10 recently sold for $.99. My offer is anywhere 3 to 40 times what other signatures of his have sold for. 40 TIMES HIGHER - that really can't be considered even a reasonable starting place? For a guy that most people on this forum don't even know much about and that the normal person would be as likely to identify as a car dealer than a baseball player?
The question is really what is the ball worth, right? Is it really $200? I don't think it is, but even if it was would I have really been the first guy to submit an offer on it? Unlikely. If it was really that scarce and desirable, someone would have found it before I did. I do this kind of search every few WEEKS, and low and behold I find 2 out there this time.
So let's say it's actually worth $100 (which is the opening bid for an auction currently listed with no bids so far), if it was then $225 is a pretty high price to put on it to start, but some sellers do that. It's their prerogative.
But what if it was actually worth $50-60? Of course then again, why would it even matter?
<< <i>I message the seller and explain that I do not like the eBay 3 offer policy and ask what is the absolute best they'd be willing to do. >>
So you're suggesting I should message the seller and ask them if it's ok for me to submit an offer? LOL! Didn't the seller kind of already say it was ok to send offers by clicking the "accept offers" button? Maybe I can develop a new button for eBay that say "Allow buyers to send me offers that I think are reasonable." Wait, they already did that by allowing auto decline below certain levels, or auto accept above another. >>
There's no need to get all upset about someone's opinions....
...how ironic.
Anyways, your examples don't work because you've yet to cite one you made an offer on. Show me a ball with that exact inscription and let's see what it sold for.
Buy It Now sale NOT auction.
Buy It Now's are a retail value vs auction which is a wholesale.
If you want the convenience to buy an item sitting in someone's shop/inventory you'll usually pay a premium, unless you're lucky enough to get in on a 7-day auction... then you may be able to snag a good wholesale price for it. Anyways, please cite examples. >>
Glad to hear I've been getting all my graded singles at wholesale prices.
<< <i>I'm sorry, I'm a little lost here. Is the debate about how this seller reacted to an offer? or has the thread been hijacked and the debate is if the OP's offer is a low ball offer?
If it is about how the seller has reacted, I don't see how anybody on this board can truthfully defend him?
If it is about low balling offers, how can you ignore the fact that many a transactions start with a seller starting with a high BIN, a seller submitting a low offer, and after some negotiations, both the seller & buyer are happy campers! >>
Both the seller and potential buyer reacted unprofessionally. Some posted how the seller may even be unstable and having to take meds because his behavior is off the charts wild. Nevertheless, many fueled the fire and submitted low offers to the seller in an equally and unprofessionally wrong manner.
If this poor guy is sick then why would we make fun of him? Why would we exploit his illness for public conversation and laughs?
Why is it when the tables turn and people question the OPs acts he gets overly defensive? He used all capital letters. That's yelling. He followed that with exclamation marks. That's screaming. Why scream at me?
i don't know who these guys are, but they were tracking prices on him back and 2011-2012 and link through to some current items as well they say $129 is the top EVER NOTTEBART PRICING
<< <i>Too bad the ball doesn't say "No Hitter" anywhere. >>
<< <i>Mullins - I'm not upset, I simply shared an experience that was related to a topic we've discussed on the forum before. That's not irony.
And you called me out with all this "prove it" stuff, not the other way around.
Why I need to "prove" anything I'm not sure, however I am willing to humor you and share what I know based on my experience with this stuff, which I imagine is about as much experience as there may be at least on this forum. Maybe I'm not an expert, but with over 1,000 total signatures in my collection and over 20 years of collecting autographs in person and at shows, I think I actually do know a thing or two.
As far as Nottebart specifically, there aren't any examples on eBay of the same ball with the same inscription selling, at least not in the past period of time you can search. What we do have are other autographed items, 8x10s, cards, index cards, etc. that have sold between $0.99 and $15.00. There's another baseball currently listed with two inscriptions that doesn't have a bid at $100. I guess we shall see what happens with it, but I'm not even sure that one auction sets a "market" and I will be quite surprised if it gets that bid. The last Nottebart 8x10 I bought cost me all of $6.75, and all the cards were under $5.
I've been working to put together my own Astros no-hitter collections, in 8x10s first, then cards, then baseballs. That list is: Don Nottebart Ken Johnson Don Wilson (2 NHs) Larry Dierker Ken Forsch Nolan Ryan Mike Scott Darryl Kile Oswalt/Wagner/4 others combined against the Yankees
Don Wilson is a difficult signature on most anything, best way is probably via team signed baseballs. He died in 1975, so there's just not much out there and varies widely in price. Single signed baseballs are pretty tough to find, I've seen them listed before in the $500-600 range, but they don't generally sell in that range. The ones I saw didn't anyway.
Ken Johnson is probably next most difficult. He played for 7 different teams in like 13 years, and actually LOST the game he threw the no hitter in. Plenty of options on cards and such although he also did a lot of personalizing, single signed baseballs are more rare but that's as much a function of an unremarkable playing career as anything else. They are still out there, mainly because he threw that no hitter. He's still alive but in his 80s now.
Nottebart is not all that rare of a signature, but a single signed ball again isn't something you see frequently. Also more to do with an unremarkable career than anything else. He actually won his no hitter, but gave up a run.
Dierker and Ryan are easy finds, Forsch is also out there in pretty good quantity. Kile is somewhat expensive relatively, but not really rare so he just requires some patience.
The 6 pitcher no hitter guys did a signing for TriStar shortly after it happened, and those signed photos and baseballs pop up periodically. They are usually listed pretty high (multiple hundreds of dollars) and don't sell.
So there you have it. >>
Thank you for the clarification.
I am, by far, not an expert at autographs other than my own. I have two variations. A single signed "P" that goes into the "M" and another, more difficult to find variation, that spells the first name completely out.
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1. Report or not report but definitely block.
2. Don't fight, walk away.
When I used to list BINs, I would get pretty low offers...if I didn't counter, I would reject and forget about it. It happens. For those that have given another side to this story and sided with the seller in any fashion, you're simply not getting it. Lashing out evil mean spirited craziness like that is just plain sick...no rationale for behavior like that other than medication and or hospitalization.
On the other hand, sending him multiple low ball bids from various accounts is fun and funny indeed
Sometimes if you make what a person believes to be an insulting offer, you will get this type of response. The better questions to ask are, how long have you been looking for this item and have you seen others.
If the answers were no, then you can understand where the seller came from.
Just throwing out the other side of the argument."
Rich
Rich,
It's one thing to feel insulted with an offer. It's completely different to respond to the offer with a profane laced tirade. Why this individual took a low offer as a personal insult speaks volumes as to his character.
A rational person would simply decline the offer and move on. A mentally deranged person or one who has decided to stop taking needed medication would over react as this seller did. As to what the seller thinks it's
worth I don't think there is any solid basis for placing a $225 tag on the item. A good idea of value is what someone else is willing to pay for the item.
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<< <i>Offers are often starting points for negotiations, that is why there is such a thing as a counteroffer. Like many of you said, if you don't want to waste your time with a low offer, set the auto reject, but I do not think that is a good idea because of multiple occasions, I have come to an agreed price from a low starting offer.
Also, if you take the time to list items, is it really that much more time consuming to send a counter offer? Is your precious time that valuable?
As others have said, you can list for whatever price you want & you can offer whatever price you want. How can anybody argue this?
No matter what that ball is valued at, this seller is way out of line & truly a classless jerk! I will send him my offer, I feel it is my duty to. >>
Most rational people do not get upset with offers, low or not, and I agree that negotiations have to start somewhere. The auto-reject option is perfect for individuals that take low offers personally and respond the way this seller does.
If I were into selling sports cards online I'd spend advertising dollars on something popular like a Mickey Mantle PSA Topps 1952 and price it high in order to drive traffic to the store, without the intention to sell it. Personally, I wouldn't go overboard with it, but if I spent 10,000 on one and put it in my shop for 15,000 the world would come to an end for some.
How I deal with all eBay Buy It Nows: I message the seller and explain that I do not like the eBay 3 offer policy and ask what is the absolute best they'd be willing to do. Then I make the offer or move on.
Grouping together and continuing to send best offers one knows will not be accepted, childish.
Neither of which likely to deter either of the childish behaviors in the future.
Two wrongs, regardless of severity of wrong or how unprofessional are ever going to make a right.
Offer was made, he declined, person who made offer saw fit to respond back as did a few on here.
No winners in this...
<< <i>It's one thing to feel insulted with an offer. It's completely different to respond to the offer with a profane laced tirade. Why this individual took a low offer as a personal insult speaks volumes as to his character.
A rational person would simply decline the offer and move on. A mentally deranged person or one who has decided to stop taking needed medication would over react as this seller did. >>
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-CDs Nuts, 1/20/14
*1956 Topps baseball- 97.4% complete, 7.24 GPA
*Clemente basic set: 85.0% complete, 7.89 GPA
<< <i>Dad, can i borrow the car? >>
<< <i>Hate to say this but if I had an item I thought was worth $225 and a potential purchaser with the BO option only offered about 15 percent of what I asked I'd probably have a similar reaction (and you would as a seller as well)
Sometimes if you make what a person believes to be an insulting offer, you will get this type of response. The better questions to ask are, how long have you been looking for this item and have you seen others.
If the answers were no, then you can understand where the seller came from.
Just throwing out the other side of the argument.
Rich >>
Sorry Rich, but I have to disagree. This seller starting in with vulgarities and four letter words. Any reasonable person over the age of 16 should know how to behave slightly better than that.
Dave
+33 Daniel
<< <i>I'm in no way defending the psycho seller, but it was a waste of time to submit a $32 offer on an item with a $225 BIN. I understand (and follow) the logic of submitting a starting offer in order to get a counter that you can weigh, but you can't be that far off the reservation to start. Just my two cents. >>
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Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>"Go f%^& yourself. Who the f%^& are you? How about you start getting about 20 bullsh*^ offers a day. On your old @&& sports illustrated that NOBODY WANTS. You want to know the difference between you and I? I make 6 figures a year at my profession, you try and scrape by selling anything you can find to try and stay above the poverty level. I own people like you. Either way, you and your opinion don't amount to $#!^. So go f%^& yourself welfare case. Enjoy your day broke boy. Keep grinding it out.
- sportssigned160"
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Apparently, money does not buy happiness.
<< <i>First off, sellers have the right to sell their items for what they want. As a seller I would not waste my time listing a $30 item for $450. I am not going to waste my time because obviously it wont sell. Saying this the seller might really think this item is hard to find or very desirable. So for a buyer to insult the seller with a 15% offer is extremely concerning and I see why he responded how he did. Not that it was right but neither was your offer Bounce. I understand you wanting to negotiate to find a common ground but that was not cool in my opinion to start at such a low number. The seller definately needs to be reported to Ebay. >>
Why should the offer price be related to the asking price? I just bought an item last week for 20% of the asking price and seller was so happy to move the merchandise that they offered me extra's.
https://kennerstartinglineup.blogspot.com/
<< <i>First off, sellers have the right to sell their items for what they want. As a seller I would not waste my time listing a $30 item for $450. I am not going to waste my time because obviously it wont sell. Saying this the seller might really think this item is hard to find or very desirable. So for a buyer to insult the seller with a 15% offer is extremely concerning and I see why he responded how he did. Not that it was right but neither was your offer Bounce. I understand you wanting to negotiate to find a common ground but that was not cool in my opinion to start at such a low number. The seller definately needs to be reported to Ebay. >>
I'm a little confused Shane. Are you saying that if I offer a 1954 Aaron RC PSA 8 for $60,000 then its wrong
for someone to offer me $9000 (a realistic value for the item)?
It really depends on what the value of the offered item is, doesn't it.
And even so, we're all in agreement that a seller needs to deal with "insulting" lo-ball offers in a more mature way.
Dave
Don't get me wrong the seller was wrong in how he expressed his reply.
Seller is exceptionally rude. Period.
I understand that some may think that sending in an offer of 15% is ridiculous. Honestly, for a player that died seven years ago, a $32 offer does not sound particularly generous. That said, the seller can easily set up a very basic algorithm for which offers he'll accept and which ones he won't. Auto decline is so easy to do -- my view is that the seller is way in the wrong here, but the bidder didn't do himself an favours either. Move on -- this signature is not so tough that you cannot find another example from someone with whom you're willing to deal-
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In some ways low balls are annoying, but in others - at least on high demand items - they're actually a marketing tool. No reason to blow a gasket.
<< <i>I understand it can be frustrating to see something that you may want for your collection at a price you are unwilling to pay, but we should not low-ball sellers or whine and cry to our wife, kids, dog, friends and a message board because of it. BMW, 707, et cetera… >>
<< <i>So for a buyer to insult the seller with a 15% offer is extremely concerning and I see why he responded how he did. >>
You're are acting like somehow it's a "fact" that I "low balled" him. That's simply not true. I didn't low ball him in terms of anything other than his Buy It Now price.
Nottebart autographs usually get anywhere from $.99 to $15, an 8x10 recently sold for $.99. My offer is anywhere 3 to 40 times what other signatures of his have sold for. 40 TIMES HIGHER - that really can't be considered even a reasonable starting place? For a guy that most people on this forum don't even know much about and that the normal person would be as likely to identify as a car dealer than a baseball player?
The question is really what is the ball worth, right? Is it really $200? I don't think it is, but even if it was would I have really been the first guy to submit an offer on it? Unlikely. If it was really that scarce and desirable, someone would have found it before I did. I do this kind of search every few WEEKS, and low and behold I find 2 out there this time.
So let's say it's actually worth $100 (which is the opening bid for an auction currently listed with no bids so far), if it was then $225 is a pretty high price to put on it to start, but some sellers do that. It's their prerogative.
But what if it was actually worth $50-60? Of course then again, why would it even matter?
<< <i>I message the seller and explain that I do not like the eBay 3 offer policy and ask what is the absolute best they'd be willing to do. >>
So you're suggesting I should message the seller and ask them if it's ok for me to submit an offer? LOL! Didn't the seller kind of already say it was ok to send offers by clicking the "accept offers" button? Maybe I can develop a new button for eBay that say "Allow buyers to send me offers that I think are reasonable." Wait, they already did that by allowing auto decline below certain levels, or auto accept above another.
Mike
<< <i>Honestly, for a player that died seven years ago, a $32 offer does not sound particularly generous. >>
Why? How many collectors out there have a Nottebart in their collection? How many even want one?
I've been racking my brain for someone to compare him to, and the best I can do is Dan Quisenberry (and even that's probably not a great one). With Quisenberry you get a guy who was a 3X all star, world series champ and had 6th most saves ever when he retired. He was more well known for sure, which probably meant more supply of autographs potentially, but he's not highly sought after and yet is somewhat rare.
Quisenberry died in 1998, so 9 years earlier. His signed baseballs run like $40-100.
How many other players out there that never went to an All Star game, never were on a championship team, didn't play for one of the most popular teams in the league at that or any other time with a career record of 36-51 would get $100 for a signed ball? Even $50?
Again, maybe my offer was low in context of the BIN price, but I don't think it was in the context of what it's actually worth.
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<< <i>I understand it can be frustrating to see something that you may want for your collection at a price you are unwilling to pay, but we should not low-ball sellers or whine and cry to our wife, kids, dog, friends and a message board because of it. BMW, 707, et cetera… >>
<< <i>So for a buyer to insult the seller with a 15% offer is extremely concerning and I see why he responded how he did. >>
You're are acting like somehow it's a "fact" that I "low balled" him. That's simply not true. I didn't low ball him in terms of anything other than his Buy It Now price.
Nottebart autographs usually get anywhere from $.99 to $15, an 8x10 recently sold for $.99. My offer is anywhere 3 to 40 times what other signatures of his have sold for. 40 TIMES HIGHER - that really can't be considered even a reasonable starting place? For a guy that most people on this forum don't even know much about and that the normal person would be as likely to identify as a car dealer than a baseball player?
The question is really what is the ball worth, right? Is it really $200? I don't think it is, but even if it was would I have really been the first guy to submit an offer on it? Unlikely. If it was really that scarce and desirable, someone would have found it before I did. I do this kind of search every few WEEKS, and low and behold I find 2 out there this time.
So let's say it's actually worth $100 (which is the opening bid for an auction currently listed with no bids so far), if it was then $225 is a pretty high price to put on it to start, but some sellers do that. It's their prerogative.
But what if it was actually worth $50-60? Of course then again, why would it even matter?
<< <i>I message the seller and explain that I do not like the eBay 3 offer policy and ask what is the absolute best they'd be willing to do. >>
So you're suggesting I should message the seller and ask them if it's ok for me to submit an offer? LOL! Didn't the seller kind of already say it was ok to send offers by clicking the "accept offers" button? Maybe I can develop a new button for eBay that say "Allow buyers to send me offers that I think are reasonable." Wait, they already did that by allowing auto decline below certain levels, or auto accept above another. >>
There's no need to get all upset about someone's opinions....
...how ironic.
Anyways, your examples don't work because you've yet to cite one you made an offer on. Show me a ball with that exact inscription and let's see what it sold for.
Buy It Now sale NOT auction.
Buy It Now's are a retail value vs auction which is a wholesale.
If you want the convenience to buy an item sitting in someone's shop/inventory you'll usually pay a premium, unless you're lucky enough to get in on a 7-day auction... then you may be able to snag a good wholesale price for it. Anyways, please cite examples.
ok, just checking.
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<< <i>Honestly, for a player that died seven years ago, a $32 offer does not sound particularly generous. >>
Why? How many collectors out there have a Nottebart in their collection? How many even want one?
I've been racking my brain for someone to compare him to, and the best I can do is Dan Quisenberry (and even that's probably not a great one). With Quisenberry you get a guy who was a 3X all star, world series champ and had 6th most saves ever when he retired. He was more well known for sure, which probably meant more supply of autographs potentially, but he's not highly sought after and yet is somewhat rare.
Quisenberry died in 1998, so 9 years earlier. His signed baseballs run like $40-100.
How many other players out there that never went to an All Star game, never were on a championship team, didn't play for one of the most popular teams in the league at that or any other time with a career record of 36-51 would get $100 for a signed ball? Even $50?
Again, maybe my offer was low in context of the BIN price, but I don't think it was in the context of what it's actually worth. >>
Real examples please.
<< <i>Real examples please. >>
Is this question for the op or those who are acting like it was a low ball?
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<< <i>Real examples please. >>
Is this question for the op or those who are acting like it was a low ball? >>
Intended for the OP since he hasn't cited any real examples to justify his insultingly low offer.
He mentioned photographs, a ball with an inscription to a low-spot in his career, et cetera. Yet to cite a ball like the one he had his feeling hurt over.
But, I'm curious what the prices are for this ball. So, if anybody knows what they really go for via Buy It Now, please chime in.
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<< <i>Real examples please. >>
Is this question for the op or those who are acting like it was a low ball? >>
Intended for the OP since he hasn't cited any real examples to justify his insultingly low offer.
He mentioned photographs, a ball with an inscription to a low-spot in his career, et cetera. Yet to cite a ball like the one he had his feeling hurt over.
But, I'm curious what the prices are for this ball. So, if anybody knows what they really go for via Buy It Now, please chime in. >>
This website is asking $50 for a signed inscribed baseball.
https://kennerstartinglineup.blogspot.com/
If it is about how the seller has reacted, I don't see how anybody on this board can truthfully defend him?
If it is about low balling offers, how can you ignore the fact that many a transactions start with a seller starting with a high BIN, a seller submitting a low offer, and after some negotiations, both the seller & buyer are happy campers!
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<< <i>Real examples please. >>
Is this question for the op or those who are acting like it was a low ball? >>
Intended for the OP since he hasn't cited any real examples to justify his insultingly low offer.
He mentioned photographs, a ball with an inscription to a low-spot in his career, et cetera. Yet to cite a ball like the one he had his feeling hurt over.
But, I'm curious what the prices are for this ball. So, if anybody knows what they really go for via Buy It Now, please chime in. >>
This website is asking $50 for a signed inscribed baseball. >>
I'm going to email them and send an offer for $7.11.
Too bad the ball doesn't say "No Hitter" anywhere.
And you called me out with all this "prove it" stuff, not the other way around.
Why I need to "prove" anything I'm not sure, however I am willing to humor you and share what I know based on my experience with this stuff, which I imagine is about as much experience as there may be at least on this forum. Maybe I'm not an expert, but with over 1,000 total signatures in my collection and over 20 years of collecting autographs in person and at shows, I think I actually do know a thing or two.
As far as Nottebart specifically, there aren't any examples on eBay of the same ball with the same inscription selling, at least not in the past period of time you can search. What we do have are other autographed items, 8x10s, cards, index cards, etc. that have sold between $0.99 and $15.00. There's another baseball currently listed with two inscriptions that doesn't have a bid at $100. I guess we shall see what happens with it, but I'm not even sure that one auction sets a "market" and I will be quite surprised if it gets that bid. The last Nottebart 8x10 I bought cost me all of $6.75, and all the cards were under $5.
I've been working to put together my own Astros no-hitter collections, in 8x10s first, then cards, then baseballs. That list is:
Don Nottebart
Ken Johnson
Don Wilson (2 NHs)
Larry Dierker
Ken Forsch
Nolan Ryan
Mike Scott
Darryl Kile
Oswalt/Wagner/4 others combined against the Yankees
Don Wilson is a difficult signature on most anything, best way is probably via team signed baseballs. He died in 1975, so there's just not much out there and varies widely in price. Single signed baseballs are pretty tough to find, I've seen them listed before in the $500-600 range, but they don't generally sell in that range. The ones I saw didn't anyway.
Ken Johnson is probably next most difficult. He played for 7 different teams in like 13 years, and actually LOST the game he threw the no hitter in. Plenty of options on cards and such although he also did a lot of personalizing, single signed baseballs are more rare but that's as much a function of an unremarkable playing career as anything else. They are still out there, mainly because he threw that no hitter. He's still alive but in his 80s now.
Nottebart is not all that rare of a signature, but a single signed ball again isn't something you see frequently. Also more to do with an unremarkable career than anything else. He actually won his no hitter, but gave up a run.
Dierker and Ryan are easy finds, Forsch is also out there in pretty good quantity. Kile is somewhat expensive relatively, but not really rare so he just requires some patience.
The 6 pitcher no hitter guys did a signing for TriStar shortly after it happened, and those signed photos and baseballs pop up periodically. They are usually listed pretty high (multiple hundreds of dollars) and don't sell.
So there you have it.
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<< <i>I understand it can be frustrating to see something that you may want for your collection at a price you are unwilling to pay, but we should not low-ball sellers or whine and cry to our wife, kids, dog, friends and a message board because of it. BMW, 707, et cetera… >>
<< <i>So for a buyer to insult the seller with a 15% offer is extremely concerning and I see why he responded how he did. >>
You're are acting like somehow it's a "fact" that I "low balled" him. That's simply not true. I didn't low ball him in terms of anything other than his Buy It Now price.
Nottebart autographs usually get anywhere from $.99 to $15, an 8x10 recently sold for $.99. My offer is anywhere 3 to 40 times what other signatures of his have sold for. 40 TIMES HIGHER - that really can't be considered even a reasonable starting place? For a guy that most people on this forum don't even know much about and that the normal person would be as likely to identify as a car dealer than a baseball player?
The question is really what is the ball worth, right? Is it really $200? I don't think it is, but even if it was would I have really been the first guy to submit an offer on it? Unlikely. If it was really that scarce and desirable, someone would have found it before I did. I do this kind of search every few WEEKS, and low and behold I find 2 out there this time.
So let's say it's actually worth $100 (which is the opening bid for an auction currently listed with no bids so far), if it was then $225 is a pretty high price to put on it to start, but some sellers do that. It's their prerogative.
But what if it was actually worth $50-60? Of course then again, why would it even matter?
<< <i>I message the seller and explain that I do not like the eBay 3 offer policy and ask what is the absolute best they'd be willing to do. >>
So you're suggesting I should message the seller and ask them if it's ok for me to submit an offer? LOL! Didn't the seller kind of already say it was ok to send offers by clicking the "accept offers" button? Maybe I can develop a new button for eBay that say "Allow buyers to send me offers that I think are reasonable." Wait, they already did that by allowing auto decline below certain levels, or auto accept above another. >>
There's no need to get all upset about someone's opinions....
...how ironic.
Anyways, your examples don't work because you've yet to cite one you made an offer on. Show me a ball with that exact inscription and let's see what it sold for.
Buy It Now sale NOT auction.
Buy It Now's are a retail value vs auction which is a wholesale.
If you want the convenience to buy an item sitting in someone's shop/inventory you'll usually pay a premium, unless you're lucky enough to get in on a 7-day auction... then you may be able to snag a good wholesale price for it. Anyways, please cite examples. >>
Glad to hear I've been getting all my graded singles at wholesale prices.
<< <i>I'm sorry, I'm a little lost here. Is the debate about how this seller reacted to an offer? or has the thread been hijacked and the debate is if the OP's offer is a low ball offer?
If it is about how the seller has reacted, I don't see how anybody on this board can truthfully defend him?
If it is about low balling offers, how can you ignore the fact that many a transactions start with a seller starting with a high BIN, a seller submitting a low offer, and after some negotiations, both the seller & buyer are happy campers!
Both the seller and potential buyer reacted unprofessionally. Some posted how the seller may even be unstable and having to take meds because his behavior is off the charts wild. Nevertheless, many fueled the fire and submitted low offers to the seller in an equally and unprofessionally wrong manner.
If this poor guy is sick then why would we make fun of him? Why would we exploit his illness for public conversation and laughs?
Why is it when the tables turn and people question the OPs acts he gets overly defensive? He used all capital letters. That's yelling. He followed that with exclamation marks. That's screaming. Why scream at me?
they say $129 is the top EVER
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<< <i>Too bad the ball doesn't say "No Hitter" anywhere. >>
OK, I guess that makes a difference. LOL!
<< <i>Mullins - I'm not upset, I simply shared an experience that was related to a topic we've discussed on the forum before. That's not irony.
And you called me out with all this "prove it" stuff, not the other way around.
Why I need to "prove" anything I'm not sure, however I am willing to humor you and share what I know based on my experience with this stuff, which I imagine is about as much experience as there may be at least on this forum. Maybe I'm not an expert, but with over 1,000 total signatures in my collection and over 20 years of collecting autographs in person and at shows, I think I actually do know a thing or two.
As far as Nottebart specifically, there aren't any examples on eBay of the same ball with the same inscription selling, at least not in the past period of time you can search. What we do have are other autographed items, 8x10s, cards, index cards, etc. that have sold between $0.99 and $15.00. There's another baseball currently listed with two inscriptions that doesn't have a bid at $100. I guess we shall see what happens with it, but I'm not even sure that one auction sets a "market" and I will be quite surprised if it gets that bid. The last Nottebart 8x10 I bought cost me all of $6.75, and all the cards were under $5.
I've been working to put together my own Astros no-hitter collections, in 8x10s first, then cards, then baseballs. That list is:
Don Nottebart
Ken Johnson
Don Wilson (2 NHs)
Larry Dierker
Ken Forsch
Nolan Ryan
Mike Scott
Darryl Kile
Oswalt/Wagner/4 others combined against the Yankees
Don Wilson is a difficult signature on most anything, best way is probably via team signed baseballs. He died in 1975, so there's just not much out there and varies widely in price. Single signed baseballs are pretty tough to find, I've seen them listed before in the $500-600 range, but they don't generally sell in that range. The ones I saw didn't anyway.
Ken Johnson is probably next most difficult. He played for 7 different teams in like 13 years, and actually LOST the game he threw the no hitter in. Plenty of options on cards and such although he also did a lot of personalizing, single signed baseballs are more rare but that's as much a function of an unremarkable playing career as anything else. They are still out there, mainly because he threw that no hitter. He's still alive but in his 80s now.
Nottebart is not all that rare of a signature, but a single signed ball again isn't something you see frequently. Also more to do with an unremarkable career than anything else. He actually won his no hitter, but gave up a run.
Dierker and Ryan are easy finds, Forsch is also out there in pretty good quantity. Kile is somewhat expensive relatively, but not really rare so he just requires some patience.
The 6 pitcher no hitter guys did a signing for TriStar shortly after it happened, and those signed photos and baseballs pop up periodically. They are usually listed pretty high (multiple hundreds of dollars) and don't sell.
So there you have it. >>
Thank you for the clarification.
I am, by far, not an expert at autographs other than my own. I have two variations. A single signed "P" that goes into the "M" and another, more difficult to find variation, that spells the first name completely out.