OPC Hockey KSA graded...Gretzky 1979 OPC RC update***
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Picked up some pack fresh OPC hockey sets from my trip up in Vancouver
There are like 6 cards that I got from the sets that were KSA graded.
I picked up 1979,1980 and 1981 sets that all look pack fresh for the most part.
The person I picked these up from had these sets sitting for several years and I think these were graded from KSA some time ago.
I'm not that familiar with there grading. I'm not sure if this is a company that would holder doctored cards?
The Gretzky rookie is in a 8 holder and by the looks of it, I would think it has a great shot to cross.
But again, not knowing much about KSA, I'm not sure what way to go with this.
I will post a scan soon. Still unpacking.
There are like 6 cards that I got from the sets that were KSA graded.
I picked up 1979,1980 and 1981 sets that all look pack fresh for the most part.
The person I picked these up from had these sets sitting for several years and I think these were graded from KSA some time ago.
I'm not that familiar with there grading. I'm not sure if this is a company that would holder doctored cards?
The Gretzky rookie is in a 8 holder and by the looks of it, I would think it has a great shot to cross.
But again, not knowing much about KSA, I'm not sure what way to go with this.
I will post a scan soon. Still unpacking.
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These were graded a long time ago. I didn't know if the issues were more recent or if this has been the norm since they started..
<< <i>Has that always been the case for this company?
These were graded a long time ago. I didn't know if the issues were more recent or if this has been the norm since they started.. >>
Yes. Just stay away.
I see some fibers on the edges and does not have that razor sharpness along the edge
Im not sure if centering puts this in a PSA 7 holder or if it has a shot at a 8?
If I had to nit-pick, I would say the lower-right corner looks a little soft (especially when you look at it in the back scan).
Very nice card, though, if it all checks out.
<< <i>How does that Gretzky have a perfectly smooth edge half way down on the right side and the rest of the card on the lower right has the OPC rough cut. I have never seen this before where the side has that much of a change from smooth to rough cut. Usually the rough cut is pretty prominent throughout the whole side whether it's a big one or small one. Maybe it's just the scan, but it just seems a little weird to me. >>
This is not uncommon for OPC cards. I see this all the time on the baseball cards
The Gretzky will likely come case with evidence of trimming or minimum size. Personally, it looks trimmed to me.
<< <i>Mullins, is that based on experience of cards you've bought or things you've heard? >>
Experience.
I've seen many Gretzky OPCs cut in a manner that leaves a little rough cut to give the impression that it hasn't been trimmed. That may have been the case with this one.
I sincerely hope it's good and crosses over...but I really, really don't think it is.
In hand, it just does not have that trimmed kind of look when scoping it
Bosox1976
How were Mess and Bourque?
Bosox1976
One thing that might make people understand this outfit a little better- they have different "franchises" if you will. Therefore standards widely vary from their different locations.
You will find trimmed and sheet cut cards in KSA holders. You will find undersized cards that look legit otherwise in KSA holders.
You may find something that will cross. Just like that raw Jordan rookie someone just bought on eBay may not be altered and may come back a 9.
Thanks,
Nathanael
KSA is not at all like the fly-by-night companies that will slab anything and everything a 10 (PRO, GEM, etc....). They have been Canada's premier grading company for about 15 years and many Canadian dealers prefer them to PSA for hockey (might have something to do with return shipping fees, who knows). As mentioned before they do grade sheet cuts like BGS which are almost always obvious. Like CSA, their older flips are more likely to cross- probably because of what FrozenCaribou laid out as how they operate now. The Gretzky is in a newer slab, but I don't know enough about their different flips to know when it was graded. Being in a KSA slab in and of itself means nothing in terms of whether it will cross or not, so you have to take it on a case by case basis.
As for Tom's Gretzky- the right edge is fine, not totally uncommon for OPC in the late 70s; plus if someone trimmed that edge they'd want to make the rough cut more uniform. Top and bottom edges are obviously fine. Left edge concerns me a little- not necessarily because it's not rough, but because at both corners it veers out a touch when it gets to the point. I've seen edges like this on pack fresh cards so it's not unheard of, but it could also mean trouble. If PSA doesn't slab it I believe it will be because of that edge. I do think that edge looks the way it should on the back though. If it does get slabbed I wouldn't be shocked to see it in an 8 holder, but a 7 or 7.5 is probably more likely. If I had to handicap it, I'd say:
40% trimmed
30% PSA 7
15% 7.5
15% 8
Tom- if the rest of the sets look as fresh as the cards you scanned I have a feeling you'll do ok even if the Gretzky accidentally fell in the garbage disposal.
Lee
I am just going to send it to PSA and see what they say. Fingers crossed that it will cross but will still be happy if it's in a 7 holder
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Sounds a lot like our lives, with the exception of course, that we do not get paid by others to grade their cards.
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There was a KSA Atlantic for awhile, and that was considered to be the easiest place to get questionable stuff through. KSA was started by one guy 15 years ago or so, and the old KSA flips that look like PSA flips were graded during that era.
-Nathanael
i submitted a 1952 bowman mantle to ksa a couple of months ago and it graded ksa 4. I cracked it out and subbed to psa at the national hoping for a psa 3, but was not too surprised when it came back as a psa 2. this is just one of many examples I could cite.
I am not sure if the gretzky rookie is trimmed or not. the "veering" out towards the corners appears on both sides of the card--why would somebody trim both sides? good luck trying to cross it over because it is a nice looking card.
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There is a very slight veering out on the Gretzky and I have noticed this on some years more than others with OPC baseball.
I also picked up over 1000 1980 OPC baseball and this is common on many of the cards. It does make you think "trimmed" at 1st sight, but these are not trimmed
1980 cards. As for the Gretzky, I am going to send in as is and see what happens...
I dug in and grabbed a couple to scan...
I've subbed a fair number of cards that had the cutting you describe, not as drastic as the Baylor, and they seem to come back no grade / miscut more often than not, even though they're not trimmed, due to factory cutting not being as precise as it should be.
I live in Canada but don't use KSA as cards are always more valuable in a PSA holder.
I bought some KSA cards early in my collecting and the best cross grade has been 1.5 lower when slabbed by PSA.
<< <i>This is a good KSA card to avoid. >>
I would agree. Looks like a nice reprint
good luck with the gretzky tom--hope it works out for you.
eyebone
<< <i>that howe rookie must have been tampered with. there is no way ksa would consider that card to be authentic. they overgrade but they are not totally inept. >>
I agree. Looking at the top of the holder, it seems like it has been opened and then glued shut.
<< <i>1 1 23307606 NEAR MINT+ 7.5 1979 O-Pee-Chee 18 Wayne Gretzky Card >>
Sounds like a win!
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<< <i>1 1 23307606 NEAR MINT+ 7.5 1979 O-Pee-Chee 18 Wayne Gretzky Card >>
Sounds like a win! >>
I'll say...that's a cool thou. Probably best case scenario considering
<< <i>1 1 23307606 NEAR MINT+ 7.5 1979 O-Pee-Chee 18 Wayne Gretzky Card
KSA has not been good to me but way to go!
I was confident it would cross. Had my fingers crossed it would 8 and still think on the right day it would bump