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$3 Gold gtg - grade revealed!!

shot at two different settings.


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The reveal

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  • Um?
  • ms70ms70 Posts: 13,956 ✭✭✭✭✭
    What kind of lighting were you using?

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  • SwampboySwampboy Posts: 13,047 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I can't grade these worth a darn and those images are way too huge for me but I'll play along and give it an AU55.

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  • 45
    Let's try not to get upset.
  • KoveKove Posts: 2,038 ✭✭✭✭
    AU Details Altered Surfaces (Puttied)

    The telltale bluish-white signs of a painted/doctored/puttied coin, especially visible in the second set of photos. There's a lot of it, both obverse and reverse, but it's most visible on the obverse fields from 7-8 o'clock.
  • KoveKove Posts: 2,038 ✭✭✭✭
    Double Post
  • BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 12,237 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>AU Details Altered Surfaces (Puttied)

    The telltale bluish-white signs of a painted/doctored/puttied coin, especially visible in the second set of photos. There's a lot of it, both obverse and reverse, but it's most visible on the obverse fields from 7-8 o'clock. >>



    +1
  • HighReliefHighRelief Posts: 3,676 ✭✭✭✭✭
    AU 50
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  • BustHalfBrianBustHalfBrian Posts: 4,180 ✭✭✭✭
    Looks puttied image
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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,412 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>AU Details Altered Surfaces (Puttied)

    The telltale bluish-white signs of a painted/doctored/puttied coin, especially visible in the second set of photos. There's a lot of it, both obverse and reverse, but it's most visible on the obverse fields from 7-8 o'clock. >>



    +1 >>


    Agree. Needs an acetone bath. Also, it may have been cleaned based on the many hairlines visible in those lousy pics.

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  • BullsitterBullsitter Posts: 5,788 ✭✭✭✭✭
    image....wow.
  • PQueuePQueue Posts: 901 ✭✭✭
    AU50, perhaps the photos make wear appear as putty.
  • goldbuggoldbug Posts: 33 ✭✭
    AU-53
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,412 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>image....wow. >>



    Huh? Care to elaborate?

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  • JazzmanJABJazzmanJAB Posts: 1,027 ✭✭✭✭
    50
  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,298 ✭✭✭✭✭
    EF-AU sharpness with putty. Sorry. image

    The fields, especially in from the face, look a bit like they do when I use the "free hand painting" option on my photo processing software.
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  • IrishMikeyIrishMikey Posts: 1,561 ✭✭✭
    I am going to guess it is in either an AU 50 or AU 53 holder. Looks like a problem coin to me, but the images
    might be giving it a weird look that doesn't exist when the coin is in hand.
  • mercurydimeguymercurydimeguy Posts: 4,625 ✭✭✭✭
    AU55
  • 410a410a Posts: 1,325
    AU-50 First picture.

    Second picture "body bagged" coin

    Tough to tell from the second picture.
  • 410a410a Posts: 1,325
    From the first picture............AU 50

    From the second picture........body bagged.

    Hard to tell from the pictures, but this is alway fun.
  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 28,650 ✭✭✭✭✭
    xf 45
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,412 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Your last pic with the slab shows more luster that your other pics so the AU50 grade is reasonable. I'd let PCGS review your coin because your close up pics do show putty.

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  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 28,650 ✭✭✭✭✭
    xf45
  • telephoto1telephoto1 Posts: 4,939 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Definite putty work IMO. Obviously not noticeable when the coin was first encapsulated but manifesting itself now.

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  • mariner67mariner67 Posts: 2,746 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Definite putty work IMO. Obviously not noticeable when the coin was first encapsulated but manifesting itself now. >>



    +1
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  • PQueuePQueue Posts: 901 ✭✭✭
    For all the people who said putty, or definitely putty, it is the pics that fooled you. Additionally, I do not believe anyone is really going to putty a common date AU50 $3.
  • KoveKove Posts: 2,038 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>For all the people who said putty, or definitely putty, it is the pics that fooled you. Additionally, I do not believe anyone is really going to putty a common date AU50 $3. >>



    With all due respect, it would behoove anyone looking at those photos to be able to recognize the telltale bluish-white haze of "putty." That how it looks in photographs. That color cannot be mistaken for normal wear on a gold coin.

    That coin has something on its surface. It was placed there intentionally to hide marks and wear to try to obtain a higher grade.
  • KoveKove Posts: 2,038 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i> Additionally, I do not believe anyone is really going to putty a common date AU50 $3. >>



    In this case, the coin may have been doctored to try to minimize hairlines to get the coin out of a body bag (in the rattler days) and into a straight-graded holder. That is reason enough to putty the coin.
  • stevebensteveben Posts: 4,620 ✭✭✭✭✭
    i have to chime in and say putty. the good news is that the coin will most likely grade au50 anyway. the bad news is that you'll have to lose the holder. acetone will take it right off. it's most likely a nice coin. what i would do is crack it myself, acetone it...make sure you know how to do this...then submit it raw. you may even get au53 or 55. good luck
  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,298 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>For all the people who said putty, or definitely putty, it is the pics that fooled you. Additionally, I do not believe anyone is really going to putty a common date AU50 $3. >>



    Oh, but they will ... Smoothing out the fields to make them look better makes the coin easier to sell. I don't know that there are too many collectors around who would call any Three Dollar Gold Piece "common."
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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,412 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>For all the people who said putty, or definitely putty, it is the pics that fooled you. Additionally, I do not believe anyone is really going to putty a common date AU50 $3. >>



    With all due respect, it would behoove anyone looking at those photos to be able to recognize the telltale bluish-white haze of "putty." That how it looks in photographs. That color cannot be mistaken for normal wear on a gold coin.

    That coin has something on its surface. It was placed there intentionally to hide marks and wear to try to obtain a higher grade. >>



    Agree. Putty was used on both rare and common date gold coins to increase the grade by hiding light circulation and to hide hide hairlines that would have gotten a coin body bagged in the past or in a no-grade genuine slab currently. Sometimes putty doesn't become visible until long after a coin has been slabbed.

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  • thx for everyones comments, Ill take it to a show someday and let some pros take a look at it in hand. Take care and enjoy.

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