Columbian (Grade Revealed)

cameron12x · May 17, 2014 11:04AM

Thoughts on technical grade and image quality?

Artificial or natural toning?

MGLICKER · May 17, 2014 11:11AM

Nice imaging.

As for the grade, Laura wants us to dummy up!

cameron12x · May 17, 2014 11:14AM

<< Nice imaging.

As for the grade, Laura wants us to dummy up!

>>

Dummy up? How so?

agentjim007 · May 17, 2014 11:17AM

Toning looks OK to me.

MGLICKER · May 17, 2014 11:21AM

<< 

<< Nice imaging.

As for the grade, Laura wants us to dummy up!

>>

Dummy up? How so?

>>

From Laura at Legend.

"""Last, its been forever and people still try and grade from images. No ever will be able too. Only on a chatroom is the ridiculous is demanded and accepted."""

Laura is the closest thing that we have to Hal 9000.

MsMorrisine · May 17, 2014 11:24AM

Too dark and too streaky to try

cameron12x · May 17, 2014 11:57AM

<< Too dark and too streaky to try >>

Eye appeal?

lcoopie · May 17, 2014 11:59AM

Laura is correct, as usual.

cameron12x · May 17, 2014 12:04PM

<< Laura is correct, as usual. >>

I haven't been on the board in awhile.

Are we now censored? Can't even attempt to grade coins from images? Just asking.

What's up?

illini420 · May 17, 2014 1:32PM

Can't speak to the image quality for certain without seeing the coin in hand to compare. Seems to show the toning well and details are clear, but the photo probably hides some of the coin's luster. Shows a few hits on the coin too, but nothing major.

Looks like an MS65 to me.

ricko · May 18, 2014 1:23AM

While technically, I agree with Laura, it is not totally impossible to grade from photographs. However, to be truly accurate, a coin must be assessed in hand. As to the OP, I would not give the coin a high grade at all.... streaks and questionable tarnish.... Cheers, RickO

Boosibri · May 18, 2014 1:25AM

<< While technically, I agree with Laura, it is not totally impossible to grade from photographs. However, to be truly accurate, a coin must be assessed in hand. As to the OP, I would not give the coin a high grade at all.... streaks and questionable tarnish.... Cheers, RickO >>

That about sums it up

rmpsrpms · May 18, 2014 1:52AM

Toning around the date and W or WORLD'S looks telltale AT to me. Also, is that an X scratched on the Mainsail?

illini420 · May 18, 2014 1:58AM

<< Toning around the date and W or WORLD'S looks telltale AT to me. Also, is that an X scratched on the Mainsail? >>

In looking at the photo earlier and quickly "grading" the coin, I guess I saw those as toning streaks, similar to the one near the eye on the obverse... but on a closer look it looks like the marks on the reverse may be light scratches. Probably not enough to cause a genuine holder though, but might make me change from MS65 to MS64+

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bsshog40 · May 18, 2014 2:51AM

I think it looks nice. The pics do not show the luster very much but if it is there, it looks like a very nicely toned MS64.

tradedollarnut · May 18, 2014 3:30AM

58

There's nothing wrong with guessing a grade off an image. What's wrong is condemning a grade off an image

MGLICKER · May 18, 2014 3:39AM

<< 58

There's nothing wrong with guessing a grade off an image. What's wrong is condemning a grade off an image >>

So if a forum member is considering a coin purchase and posts an image, we are no longer entitled to critique the grade and only nod in approval? That would set an unfortunate precedent and I believe make the hobby/business less transparent.

bsshog40 · May 18, 2014 3:44AM

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<< 58

There's nothing wrong with guessing a grade off an image. What's wrong is condemning a grade off an image >>

So if a forum member is considering a coin purchase and posts an image, we are no longer entitled to critique the grade and only nod in approval? That would set an unfortunate precedent and I believe make the hobby/business less transparent. >>

I agree. And trying to grade from a picture is merely an opinion anyway.

rmpsrpms · May 18, 2014 5:25AM

<< 

<< 58

There's nothing wrong with guessing a grade off an image. What's wrong is condemning a grade off an image >>

So if a forum member is considering a coin purchase and posts an image, we are no longer entitled to critique the grade and only nod in approval? That would set an unfortunate precedent and I believe make the hobby/business less transparent. >>

Unless there is some major problem with the coin, ie it is an obvious counterfeit, has a big ugly fingerprint that showed up after years of being in the holder, etc, how could you presume to critique a coin's grade based on a single image posted online? The TPG had the coin in-hand, without plastic to get in the way, and were able to rotate the coin to experience luster and look for luster breaks and rub and scratches and bag marks and such. Any critique that disagrees with the assigned grade (unless it is an obvious problem coin) can only be a disservice to the coin, the TPG that graded it, any 4th party that recertified it, the owner, and future buyers.

astrorat · May 18, 2014 5:29AM

<< I agree. And trying to grade from a picture is merely an opinion anyway. >>

I would extend that a bit further ... grading is merely an opinion, regardless if from an image or in hand. One variant is just more informed than the other.

MsMorrisine · May 18, 2014 7:07AM

<< 

<< Too dark and too streaky to try >>

Eye appeal? >>

I usually don't like dark coins, but this one looks good.

I just can't guess a grade from those photos.

I'm not good enough to judge if it is a re-tone over a dip, too.

I just see a toned coin, that is pleasing for a dark coin.

cameron12x · May 19, 2014 1:55PM

Grade revealed: MS-65.

braddick · May 19, 2014 2:41PM

<< 58

There's nothing wrong with guessing a grade off an image. What's wrong is condemning a grade off an image >>

Well stated. POTD

IrishMikey · May 25, 2014 4:19AM

Got here too late to "guess" the grade. I would be a 64 on the coin, just using the images, but it
does have a great look for a heavily toned coin.

magikbilly · May 25, 2014 6:11AM

I guessed 64 and PC65 so I'm happy.

This room has changed FWIW reading some other posts.

Eric

roadrunner · May 25, 2014 11:44AM

Nice looking original coin. I'm sure it has some flash too. The marks on the sail are toning streaks similar to what you see on the obverse.

Though I got here too late I would have guessed MS65 or MS66. The coin looked all there to me. Though I could understand estimated grades of AU58 to MS65. Next time around, one just like this might be an AU58.

Reminds me of a story back from 1989/1990 or so. My brother had purchased one of these raw from a local coin shop for MS65 money (at the time over $1,000). He had bought a number of classic "gem" commems for
investment purposes. I never knew about it. He decides to show me some of his coins and what he should do with them. When he showed me the gem Columbian I didn't like it. It was a very deep uniform blue with a starkly
contrasting white spot on the jaw....or what I would call some light friction/rub. It was the only coin in the group worth sending in....figuring a grade of 63 to 65 was potentially possible. I was sort of surprised when it came back
MS65. At that time the 65 Columbian prices were being promoted and were in the stratosphere at $3,200-$3,400. This one could have countered all the other losers. I contacted a PNG dealer I knew for a price on the coin which
I thought was a little low vs. CDN. He explained that the coin was under promotion and the bottom could drop out any time. So he wanted a little more room around the $2500-$2600 level. His intent was to sell the coin to the
promotor. As we thought about what to do the promotion fell apart and prices plummeted. When it was all said and done all we could get for the coin was $1200. I hadn't thought about this coin for over 20 years. Funny, how
another similar situation triggers the old memory.

Columbian (Grade Revealed)

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