I have been waiting for Tim to unload the big guns on us for a long, long time. lol Hard to believe with all of those sleek sealed case boxes that my favorite picture is the leaning tower of 78 rackage!
And btw, do those antelope leg beers come from Miller's Ale House???
<< <i>And btw, do those antelope leg beers come from Miller's Ale House??? >>
Unfortunately no!!!!!
STAY HEALTHY!
Doug
Liquidating my collection for the 3rd and final time. Time for others to enjoy what I have enjoyed over the last several decades. Money could be put to better use.
Thanks again, guys, for all the kind words! The afternoon was a very nice and sunny one, so I also thought I'd take a couple racks outside with me to photograph..
1980 rack with Henderson RC on top, complete with Toys R Us price sticker and Morgan and Fingers on back. One of my favorites..
Many of you know the 75 mini set is my favorite from the 1970s. While mini wax and even cellos are not too difficult to find, the mini rack surfaces very seldom. The odd thing about 75 mini racks is that Topps used regular sized 75 rack packaging for the minis, so there's quite a bit of leeway in the cells for the cards to float around in.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Thanks, Tony and Manny! Will try and update this thread with some new pics over the holiday weekend!
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Be Careful Tim ~ Seeing all that unopened may deflate the market. People think it’s all dried up and, well, looking at that '78 rack abundance...maybe it’s not. LOL. Nice stuff.
<< <i>People think it’s all dried up and, well, looking at that '78 rack abundance...maybe it’s not
there's a difference between all dried up....and being so buried in people's collections that it will never see the light of day
and while I think there's a difference, it really doesn't matter since you still can't get enough to satisfy demand >>
The real question is how much of the current demand comes from "end users." >>
Just curious...who is the end user? Are you referring to the unopened collector, the ripper, the set builder, the high grade chaser? I'm really not trying to be a smart***, I'm just wondering which of those (or other) you would consider the end user.
<< <i>I'm considering anyone an end user if they are buying the item because they want it, with no plan to re-sell in the foreseeable future.
You are not an end user if you are buying it primarily as an investment, or because everyone else is buying it.
The specifics of why you want it (ripping, collecting, etc.) don't factor into it. >>
This is a huge factor that isn't brought up enough. The only difference in opinion I have here is that collecting and ripping are two very different things. I am an end user, but if something comes up tomorrow and I simply need money for my family, then suddenly my stuff will all be available. In that situation, I would be the same as an investor to the rest of the hobby. Or if I simply want to stop collecting wax and move into some other collectible. But when you RIP, then the packs are gone for good. I would bring up all the 1980 racks and packs, I once owned, that will never be back on the market again, but Mike might be reading....
To bigdcards: "you are right" - cpamike "That is correct" -grote15
<< <i>I'm considering anyone an end user if they are buying the item because they want it, with no plan to re-sell in the foreseeable future.
You are not an end user if you are buying it primarily as an investment, or because everyone else is buying it.
The specifics of why you want it (ripping, collecting, etc.) don't factor into it. >>
This is a huge factor that isn't brought up enough. The only difference in opinion I have here is that collecting and ripping are two very different things. I am an end user, but if something comes up tomorrow and I simply need money for my family, then suddenly my stuff will all be available. In that situation, I would be the same as an investor to the rest of the hobby. Or if I simply want to stop collecting wax and move into some other collectible. But when you RIP, then the packs are gone for good. I would bring up all the 1980 racks and packs, I once owned, that will never be back on the market again, but Mike might be reading.... >>
"The woods are lovely, dark and deep. But I have promises to keep, And miles to go before I sleep, And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
Collecting: Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
<< <i>Tim ... Miller's Ale House ... by the Mall ... 8:00 tonight. Bring all your boxes with you. Eric, Mike and I will help you unveil the contents of the packs. I will get there at 7:00 to reserve a table. I will also start drinking heavily ... that always helps to rip open the packs a bit faster!!!! >>
Judging by his photos, Doug, you three may be better served hanging out behind Tim's fence waiting for another photo shoot.
One of you can reach over the top to snag the subject matter and, while he's chasing them, the other two of you can load the rest into your helicopter.
This is is awesome stuff. The unopened rack boxes are unreal! I always thought unopened product was really scarce, but the more I see these numerous posts on this board with boxes and boxes of beautiful unopened product from the 70's and 80's, it makes me wonder just how scarce some of this stuff really is.
Thanks again for all the posts, fellas~I look forward to digging out a few more items to photograph and post over the weekend.
dtkka, I should clarify here that I have been avidly collecting and actively pursuing 1970s unopened product pretty much on a daily basis for the past 15 years. Most of these items were acquired years ago, when supply was definitely more plentiful and prices were much more reasonable (does anyone else remember 78 cello boxes selling for $360 on ebay??). Had I started collecting within the last couple of years, my assortment of boxes and packs would be much more modest and limited~I buy much less frequently these days, though there are still some decent deals and sources for unopened product out there in the hobby. Unopened collectors are a pretty closely knit group.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Great collection!!! I especially love the wax tray run that you have. And, I think I had to pick my mouth up from the ground when I saw all those 78 racks!! Looking forward to more pictures!
Happy Memorial Day to Everyone~with a special thank you to all who have served or whose families have supported those in service.
Here is an assortment of 1973 racks, one of which has Seaver on top and another with Bench on top. 1973 marked the last year of the 54-card rack pack before Topps changed the card count to 42 cards in 1974. A good way to determine whether a pre-74 rack is authentic is to check the seams between the sections, as Topps used a wider seam in its design to supoort the higher 54-card count of the rack hanging for sale in the store.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Thanks, guys~hey Mike, can you take it easy on me in baseball when we match up, lol..
dtkka, I'd be wary of the authenticity of a 1973 rack that didn't exhibit some kind of at least slight yellowing and curling after all these years, as resealers tend to use newer cellophane or rack packaging from later years. The cello Topps used to package through 1976 was different and noticably thicker from what they used later in the 1970s. Because of that, racks from the early to mid-1970s are more prone to cracking or splitting between sections and to yellowing and curling, as well.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Thanks again, guys! Here is a lot of 5 from the year prior~1972 Topps baseball, one of my favorites. Willie Mays is on back of one rack and Mays IA is on back of another. Billy Martin infamously flashing the finger on top of another, lol..
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>I just hope you are using a Canon camera...you are, right?!? >>
Nikon..
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Tim, I needed this, as I am watching the Pacers go down the drain tonight. Between the Shock Top drafts I am consuming and your rack packs, everything is perfect!!
Awesome stuff, Tim... and a couple of new (to me at least) tips on what to look for in terms of authentic product.
Is 1975 as far back as you've gone on wax boxes so far?
What else do you collect aside from unopened? I seem to recall both you and Mike collect Topps sets from roughly the same span as your unopened collection, yes?
Thanks again, guys, for the kind words~Phillip, there will be no ripping of these racks, lol. Heck, at the way prices are escalating in recent months, I doubt I will be ripping any more late night rips of 77-79 racks, either!
Snorto, I am also putting together PSA graded Topps and OPC sets of select issues from 1972 through 1980, too. The majority of the cards in my sets are from wax and rack packs I've opened and self-submitted to PSA over the years, though I am not opening packs from those years as often these days, so it's been slow going of late, lol..
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Awesome material. I love those 78 Murray on top racks, and the mountain of 78 racks in the other photo. I have always like the 78 set and especially that Murray RC. The wax trays are great too. I especially like the 79 trays and 80 racks in their display boxes. I don't even know where to begin finding one of those boxes.
It never gets old seeing your collection Tim. Very, very impressive. However, I do believe that 73 Bench rack belongs in Charleston, SC. Hint, hint!!!!!!!
Thanks again, fellas, I appreciate the kind words!
Mark, I am just taking temporary custodial care of that 73 Bench rack for you.
Will try and post a couple more later today..
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Comments
And btw, do those antelope leg beers come from Miller's Ale House???
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
<< <i>And btw, do those antelope leg beers come from Miller's Ale House??? >>
Unfortunately no!!!!!
Doug
Liquidating my collection for the 3rd and final time. Time for others to enjoy what I have enjoyed over the last several decades. Money could be put to better use.
Jmaciu's Collection
James
1980 rack with Henderson RC on top, complete with Toys R Us price sticker and Morgan and Fingers on back. One of my favorites..
Many of you know the 75 mini set is my favorite from the 1970s. While mini wax and even cellos are not too difficult to find, the mini rack surfaces very seldom. The odd thing about 75 mini racks is that Topps used regular sized 75 rack packaging for the minis, so there's quite a bit of leeway in the cells for the cards to float around in.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
aconte
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
there's a difference between all dried up....and being so buried in people's collections that it will never see the light of day
and while I think there's a difference, it really doesn't matter since you still can't get enough to satisfy demand
Thanks for Sharing. I'd love to get hold of one of those 75 wax trays.
Robb
<< <i>People think it’s all dried up and, well, looking at that '78 rack abundance...maybe it’s not
there's a difference between all dried up....and being so buried in people's collections that it will never see the light of day
and while I think there's a difference, it really doesn't matter since you still can't get enough to satisfy demand >>
The real question is how much of the current demand comes from "end users."
<< <i>
<< <i>People think it’s all dried up and, well, looking at that '78 rack abundance...maybe it’s not
there's a difference between all dried up....and being so buried in people's collections that it will never see the light of day
and while I think there's a difference, it really doesn't matter since you still can't get enough to satisfy demand >>
The real question is how much of the current demand comes from "end users." >>
Just curious...who is the end user? Are you referring to the unopened collector, the ripper, the set builder, the high grade chaser? I'm really not trying to be a smart***, I'm just wondering which of those (or other) you would consider the end user.
Thanks for sharing!
You are not an end user if you are buying it primarily as an investment, or because everyone else is buying it.
The specifics of why you want it (ripping, collecting, etc.) don't factor into it.
<< <i>I'm considering anyone an end user if they are buying the item because they want it, with no plan to re-sell in the foreseeable future.
You are not an end user if you are buying it primarily as an investment, or because everyone else is buying it.
The specifics of why you want it (ripping, collecting, etc.) don't factor into it. >>
This is a huge factor that isn't brought up enough. The only difference in opinion I have here is that collecting and ripping are two very different things. I am an end user, but if something comes up tomorrow and I simply need money for my family, then suddenly my stuff will all be available. In that situation, I would be the same as an investor to the rest of the hobby. Or if I simply want to stop collecting wax and move into some other collectible. But when you RIP, then the packs are gone for good. I would bring up all the 1980 racks and packs, I once owned, that will never be back on the market again, but Mike might be reading....
<< <i>
<< <i>I'm considering anyone an end user if they are buying the item because they want it, with no plan to re-sell in the foreseeable future.
You are not an end user if you are buying it primarily as an investment, or because everyone else is buying it.
The specifics of why you want it (ripping, collecting, etc.) don't factor into it. >>
This is a huge factor that isn't brought up enough. The only difference in opinion I have here is that collecting and ripping are two very different things. I am an end user, but if something comes up tomorrow and I simply need money for my family, then suddenly my stuff will all be available. In that situation, I would be the same as an investor to the rest of the hobby. Or if I simply want to stop collecting wax and move into some other collectible. But when you RIP, then the packs are gone for good. I would bring up all the 1980 racks and packs, I once owned, that will never be back on the market again, but Mike might be reading.... >>
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
Collecting:
Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
Very cool!
<< <i>Tim ... Miller's Ale House ... by the Mall ... 8:00 tonight. Bring all your boxes with you. Eric, Mike and I will help you unveil the contents of the packs. I will get there at 7:00 to reserve a table. I will also start drinking heavily ... that always helps to rip open the packs a bit faster!!!! >>
Judging by his photos, Doug, you three may be better served hanging out behind Tim's fence waiting for another photo shoot.
One of you can reach over the top to snag the subject matter and, while he's chasing them, the other two of you can load the rest into your helicopter.
Snorto~
They call me "Pack the Ripper"
dtkka, I should clarify here that I have been avidly collecting and actively pursuing 1970s unopened product pretty much on a daily basis for the past 15 years. Most of these items were acquired years ago, when supply was definitely more plentiful and prices were much more reasonable (does anyone else remember 78 cello boxes selling for $360 on ebay??). Had I started collecting within the last couple of years, my assortment of boxes and packs would be much more modest and limited~I buy much less frequently these days, though there are still some decent deals and sources for unopened product out there in the hobby. Unopened collectors are a pretty closely knit group.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Nice Stash
Great collection!!! I especially love the wax tray run that you have. And, I think I had to pick my mouth up from the ground when I saw all those 78 racks!! Looking forward to more pictures!
Jeremy
Here is an assortment of 1973 racks, one of which has Seaver on top and another with Bench on top. 1973 marked the last year of the 54-card rack pack before Topps changed the card count to 42 cards in 1974. A good way to determine whether a pre-74 rack is authentic is to check the seams between the sections, as Topps used a wider seam in its design to supoort the higher 54-card count of the rack hanging for sale in the store.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Tim, does the rack pack plastic wrapping turn brownish even if kept in the box or is that something that happens outside the box?
They call me "Pack the Ripper"
WTB: PSA 1 - PSA 3 Centered, High Eye Appeal 1950's Mantle
<< <i>Seaver AND Nettles!!!!!!! >>
Sweet isn't it Eric.
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
Collecting:
Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
dtkka, I'd be wary of the authenticity of a 1973 rack that didn't exhibit some kind of at least slight yellowing and curling after all these years, as resealers tend to use newer cellophane or rack packaging from later years. The cello Topps used to package through 1976 was different and noticably thicker from what they used later in the 1970s. Because of that, racks from the early to mid-1970s are more prone to cracking or splitting between sections and to yellowing and curling, as well.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>Thanks, guys~hey Mike, can you take it easy on me in baseball when we match up, lol.. >>
Not bad for a novice.
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
Collecting:
Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
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Yeah, sure, they're stars and all, but he scored the Miller/Hiller Rhyming combo on top of one rack.
What are the odds of that?
"America suffers today from too much pluribus and not enough unum.".....Arthur Schlesinger Jr.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Absolutely stunning collection! Thanks for sharing!
MY GOLD TYPE SET https://pcgs.com/setregistry/type-sets/complete-type-sets/gold-type-set-12-piece-circulation-strikes-1839-1933/publishedset/321940
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
Collecting:
Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
<< <i>I just hope you are using a Canon camera...you are, right?!? >>
Nikon..
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
aconte
Jmaciu's Collection
Is 1975 as far back as you've gone on wax boxes so far?
What else do you collect aside from unopened? I seem to recall both you and Mike collect Topps sets from roughly the same span as your unopened collection, yes?
Snorto~
Snorto, I am also putting together PSA graded Topps and OPC sets of select issues from 1972 through 1980, too. The majority of the cards in my sets are from wax and rack packs I've opened and self-submitted to PSA over the years, though I am not opening packs from those years as often these days, so it's been slow going of late, lol..
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Awesome material. I love those 78 Murray on top racks, and the mountain of 78 racks in the other photo. I have always like the 78 set and especially that Murray RC. The wax trays are great too. I especially like the 79 trays and 80 racks in their display boxes. I don't even know where to begin finding one of those boxes.
Mark
T206 Set - 300/524
Mark, I am just taking temporary custodial care of that 73 Bench rack for you.
Will try and post a couple more later today..
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.