Prefer CAC or CACG coins vs the other sticker players. investors aggressively seeking these. Furthermore CAC bump up in CDN bid / CPG MV. Go check it out.
CAC beats the other sticker products to pieces IMO. Additionally - Bourse room buyers more likely know of CAC vs the others.
While MANY coins with Eagle Eye Photo Seals will get a CAC sticker, and MANY coins with CAC stickers will get Rick Snow’s Eagle Eye Photo seal, there are plenty of exceptions.
While JA and Rick Snow each have “similar” requirements for coins to merit their stickers as solid for the grade, when I was putting together my “unique” #7 current rank IHC set (EVERY coin merits BOTH stickers), I learned early on that they weigh various factors differently from each other. For example, Rick weighs strike quality and die state more heavily. Rick likes seeing good detail in the feather tips of the first three feathers from the left. He is also more sensitive to carbon spots, especially on those graded 65RD and higher.
On the other hand, I believe that CAC is apparently stricter on color originality.
I decided for my Indian Head and Flying Eagle Cents to buy coins that met the standards of EEPS AND CAC. To me, that’s having the best of both worlds!
Both JA and Rick have a wonderful professional respect for each other. The Photo Seal is probably the only sticker that CAC will not remove from the slab when they apply their own sticker.
Steve
A day without fine wine and working on your coin collection is like a day without sunshine!!!
@winesteven said:
For example, Rick weighs strike quality and die state more heavily. Rick likes seeing good detail in the feather tips of the first three feathers from the left. He is also more sensitive to carbon spots, especially on those graded 65RD and higher.
On the other hand, I believe that CAC is apparently stricter on color originality.
If that is the case then I would lean towards Photo Seal since my personal preference is to subtract more for corrosion ("carbon") spots than most other people would. But I'm not a major red copper buyer or collector (I only buy a few here and there when I think the item is a bargain and relatively inexpensive).
@PerryHall said:
I thought I read somewhere on the forums that JA said that the Eagle Eye sticker would automatically get the CAC sticker. I may be mistaken though.
Seemed to be the protocol, and then it changed, seemingly.
Photo seal. I have never seen a photo seal Indian Cent that I didn't like. Of course having both is the ideal.
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@telephoto1 said:
Silly me... I look at the actual coin first and decide if it meets MY criteria... not someone else's, regardless of whose slab or sticker is involved.
I agree, and I do the same, as I believe MANY other supporters of CAC do too. I can't tell you how many thousands of coins graded by PCGS with CAC stickers in the grades I want at reasonable prices I pass by, simply because i don't like the eye appeal. As such, don't mistake our desire for CAC stickered coins to mean we don't initially actually look hard at the coin - we absolutely do!!!!!!!!
Steve
A day without fine wine and working on your coin collection is like a day without sunshine!!!
$15 plus round trip shipping for the sticker, AND also included is the plasticized Photo Seal card with the slab photo on the front, and Rick's signature on the back AND three high quality downloadable photos for your use - a slab photo, a large obverse photo, and a large reverse photo - all for only $15, regardless of the value of the coin! Best of all, if your coin does not Photo Seal, you get that $15 back!!!!!!! Show me another bargain like that!
Here's one of my Photo Seal plasticized cards:
Steve
A day without fine wine and working on your coin collection is like a day without sunshine!!!
I much prefer the Photo Seal for 2 specific reasons.
1.) As mentioned, the photos that are included with the Photo Seal are very high quality.
2.) I think there would be very few dealers that have seen more and know more about FE/IHCs than Rick.
BTW, he has had some CAC stickers coins that he did not Photo Seal himself. As for values, they probably bring in close to the same premiums, CAC might have more overall clout in the market though. As Steve said, look for both stickers and you are golden!
@Eldorado9: hey, great looking coin! I used to own that one! It’s from the old NY hoard & sold as a proof back then. I don’t remember exactly but I think they went for $30!!!!!!!
<< I thought I read somewhere on the forums that JA said that the Eagle Eye sticker would automatically get the CAC sticker. I may be mistaken though. >>
That used to be the case but is no longer. I recently heard of some Indians that were sent to CAC with photo seal and were not CAC'd. So that being said, which would bring more money and therefore be more desirable? >>
I wonder if Rick ever got any CAC coins that he wouldn't photo-seal.
Coins often turn in the holder so I would guess both companies could get the others sticker that they would not honor.
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Good discussion on CAC and Photo Seal cents.
Prefer CAC or CACG coins vs the other sticker players. investors aggressively seeking these. Furthermore CAC bump up in CDN bid / CPG MV. Go check it out.
CAC beats the other sticker products to pieces IMO. Additionally - Bourse room buyers more likely know of CAC vs the others.
EEPS over CAC - good to weigh in on this revived thread.
“The thrill of the hunt never gets old”
PCGS Registry: Screaming Eagles
Copperindian
Retired sets: Soaring Eagles
Copperindian
Nickelodeon
While MANY coins with Eagle Eye Photo Seals will get a CAC sticker, and MANY coins with CAC stickers will get Rick Snow’s Eagle Eye Photo seal, there are plenty of exceptions.
While JA and Rick Snow each have “similar” requirements for coins to merit their stickers as solid for the grade, when I was putting together my “unique” #7 current rank IHC set (EVERY coin merits BOTH stickers), I learned early on that they weigh various factors differently from each other. For example, Rick weighs strike quality and die state more heavily. Rick likes seeing good detail in the feather tips of the first three feathers from the left. He is also more sensitive to carbon spots, especially on those graded 65RD and higher.
On the other hand, I believe that CAC is apparently stricter on color originality.
I decided for my Indian Head and Flying Eagle Cents to buy coins that met the standards of EEPS AND CAC. To me, that’s having the best of both worlds!
Both JA and Rick have a wonderful professional respect for each other. The Photo Seal is probably the only sticker that CAC will not remove from the slab when they apply their own sticker.
Steve
My collecting “Pride & Joy” is my PCGS Registry Dansco 7070 Set:
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/type-sets/design-type-sets/complete-dansco-7070-modified-type-set-1796-date/publishedset/213996
If that is the case then I would lean towards Photo Seal since my personal preference is to subtract more for corrosion ("carbon") spots than most other people would. But I'm not a major red copper buyer or collector (I only buy a few here and there when I think the item is a bargain and relatively inexpensive).
Seemed to be the protocol, and then it changed, seemingly.
Photo seal. I have never seen a photo seal Indian Cent that I didn't like. Of course having both is the ideal.
Both!
If I had to choose one over the other...Photoseal. But I have had one that had both that sold for good money.
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Silly me... I look at the actual coin first and decide if it meets MY criteria... not someone else's, regardless of whose slab or sticker is involved.
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I agree, and I do the same, as I believe MANY other supporters of CAC do too. I can't tell you how many thousands of coins graded by PCGS with CAC stickers in the grades I want at reasonable prices I pass by, simply because i don't like the eye appeal. As such, don't mistake our desire for CAC stickered coins to mean we don't initially actually look hard at the coin - we absolutely do!!!!!!!!
Steve
My collecting “Pride & Joy” is my PCGS Registry Dansco 7070 Set:
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/type-sets/design-type-sets/complete-dansco-7070-modified-type-set-1796-date/publishedset/213996
As someone who is looking to get proof Indian cent coins in the future. does anyone know what the photo seal costs? I know CAC all ready.
$15 plus round trip shipping for the sticker, AND also included is the plasticized Photo Seal card with the slab photo on the front, and Rick's signature on the back AND three high quality downloadable photos for your use - a slab photo, a large obverse photo, and a large reverse photo - all for only $15, regardless of the value of the coin! Best of all, if your coin does not Photo Seal, you get that $15 back!!!!!!! Show me another bargain like that!
Here's one of my Photo Seal plasticized cards:
Steve
My collecting “Pride & Joy” is my PCGS Registry Dansco 7070 Set:
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/type-sets/design-type-sets/complete-dansco-7070-modified-type-set-1796-date/publishedset/213996
@winesteven. Thank you. and quite true about the value. james
Photo Seal for me.
Dave
All I can say is that the first Photo Seal IHC’s I bought blew me away. I wondered why the PS prices seemed so high, now I get it.
Best of all, if your coin does Photo Seal, you get that $15 back!!!!!!! Show me another bargain like that!
You mean doesn't
Mike
My Indians
Danco Set
For resale, probably CAC, but for my collection, I would prefer Eagle Eye.
JIm
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Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.....Mark Twain
Excellent catch, thank you! You could have been my English teacher in school, lol.
Thanks to you, I now made that important correction above. Greatly appreciated! 🙏
Steve
My collecting “Pride & Joy” is my PCGS Registry Dansco 7070 Set:
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/type-sets/design-type-sets/complete-dansco-7070-modified-type-set-1796-date/publishedset/213996
I much prefer the Photo Seal for 2 specific reasons.
1.) As mentioned, the photos that are included with the Photo Seal are very high quality.
2.) I think there would be very few dealers that have seen more and know more about FE/IHCs than Rick.
BTW, he has had some CAC stickers coins that he did not Photo Seal himself. As for values, they probably bring in close to the same premiums, CAC might have more overall clout in the market though. As Steve said, look for both stickers and you are golden!
If you had Indican Cent would you rather have a Photo Seal or CAC
I'm still trying to figure out what the heck an "Indican Cent" is.
I believe it's Indian without the use of spell check......................
Mike
My Indians
Danco Set
@Eldorado9: hey, great looking coin! I used to own that one! It’s from the old NY hoard & sold as a proof back then. I don’t remember exactly but I think they went for $30!!!!!!!
“The thrill of the hunt never gets old”
PCGS Registry: Screaming Eagles
Copperindian
Retired sets: Soaring Eagles
Copperindian
Nickelodeon
Coins often turn in the holder so I would guess both companies could get the others sticker that they would not honor.
Oh, Darn! I thought, "What a deal! A Photo Seal and it's FREE!"