This is appropriate?

I'm just asking a question here. I have to wonder if a new board member did this if people wouldn't be going nuts, but apparently for longtime board members it's ok to auction a card but tell people on the BST that he will "take offers" on it. This is ok, really?
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I saw your post in the BST forum so I get the reference without needing a link. Is it okay for a seller who has an item listed on eBay to accept offers for purchase outside of eBay? Legitimate question. I don't want to try to speak for anyone else, so I will speak for myself only. A potential seller on eBay is soliciting bids for an item. A potential buyer may make an offer for the item (a bid), which is binding once accepted (contrary to what eBay may claim, a bid is not a binding agreement without acceptance). Prior to acceptance (the end of the auction), a potential seller may withdraw the item, and the potential buyer (the bidder) may withdraw the offer (the bid). eBay allows potential sellers to cancel a listing because "the item is no longer for sale" and allows for bid retractions, which is likely based on fundamental contract law. However, going beyond contract law, eBay may institute its own policies that punish potential buyers and/sellers for for these actions, even if permitted under law.
For reputational reasons, I would only offer an item outside of eBay prior to my listing it there, but wouldn't hold it against someone for doing so after listing. Again, technically speaking, eBay allows a potential seller to withdraw an item at any time once it is no longer available for sale. This is such a common practice that I doubt the lack of reaction has nothing to do with whether the seller is a long-time member but instead is based on practical reality.
Rose
I'm with Criss on this one, this falls under 'not ok'.
Eric
Edit to add: When I see an item at auction for $400, listed elsewhere for $350 and another for $295, I know the seller likely has little idea what he is doing (or is just out to make any buck). If the item is correct - I will buy under these circumstances - I don't have to like it (and I am not spending the $400, that's for sure). Asa seller, my prices don't swing like that, and there are no price or grading guides for a lot of what I sell. Such a price swing looks very bad IMO.
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As for CrissCriss not sure what he actually contributes to these boards. Seems like an alt for a bitter person that does not want to reveal that side of themselves with their normal account. Not sure why anyone would consider/want to do business with someone like that.
Robb
Is it appropriate to make another thread to address a complaint that could have been addressed in the aforementioned thread?
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<< <i>Not as bad as someone presenting an offer on the BST and then after days of non-communication backing out on their own deal. I would imagine that is far worse for your reputation.....wouldn't you Criss? >>
I've read this in numerous threads.... And he never responds to it. Lack of denial says it all.
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solicit offers elsewhere then just don't bid/offer.
As for the item itself, the centering is nice but the registration and snowiness in the images were sufficient
for me to choose to pass on this one.
Dave
You hit the nail on the head right there.
<< <i>I don't believe there is a problem with the item being listed on ebay and offered here. I believe the problem is that the item is being offered in an auction format with current bids while being offered here simultaneously. Bids currently placed on this auction deserve to be honored.
You hit the nail on the head right there. >>
He did indeed.
Eric
<< <i>There is a huge difference between auction houses and ebay. An auction house has to be professional because it's a business. People selling on ebay are selling their OWN things on their OWN dime and time and effort and can do whatever they want with THEIR items. To compare sellers on ebay to auction houses is silly. >>
True, but that comes back to the question of "appropriateness". If buyers have a reasonable expectation that eBay sellers exhibit professional behavior (offer returns, ship promptly, communicate well, etc. as per eBay terms), the comparison is warranted.
so let everyone else here tell him what to do with it...
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<< <i>There is a huge difference between auction houses and ebay. An auction house has to be professional because it's a business. People selling on ebay are selling their OWN things on their OWN dime and time and effort and can do whatever they want with THEIR items. To compare sellers on ebay to auction houses is silly. >>
The point is if an item has bids--honor the bids. Sure, anyone can do anything with their property whether I deem it right or not. Put a reserve on it, start it at a price you will accept, or BIN/BO. Why run an unreserved auction if you are not sure you will sell it to the top bidder?
The comparison was made to show that HOW a seller (Corporate or Individual) handles their business impacts whether buyers will continue to purchase/attend/peruse that seller's items for sale.
<< <i>True, but that comes back to the question of "appropriateness". If buyers have a reasonable expectation that eBay sellers exhibit professional behavior (offer returns, ship promptly, communicate well, etc. as per eBay terms), the comparison is warranted. >>
Problems generally arise on eBay when a buyer starts comparing part-time eBay sellers to retail stores, auction houses, etc. It's perfectly reasonable for a seller to try to get the most out of his item and if he wishes to solicit sales off eBay (with or without bids) then that is certainly appropriate.
It certainly wouldn't be appropriate to shill the auction or not honor the winning bid (if the auction ended with a sale), but if the seller wishes to end his listing early then he is well within his right to do so.
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<< <i>Did he have bids on ebay and then end the item early to sell it to someone here on the boards instead? I didn't see that part. >>
The thread on the buy sell board says it is sold and the auction is ended.
I am not a huge fan of ending items with bids but it is the sellers choice.
<< <i>Did he have bids on ebay and then end the item early to sell it to someone here on the boards instead? I didn't see that part. >>
Multiple bids up to $2333 before they were cancelled and the auction was ended.
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