The Unopened Market has Sunk to New Depths...

ICE9

Jeez, now it looks like sellers are expecting to score a premium on *previously* unopened material, that was sourced from BBCE.

Technically, didn't all cards initially come from an authentic unopened box?



This is just goofy.

itzagoner

lipstick on a pig.

Stingray

So he wasn't able to get a complete set from the box. At this point what difference does it make that "this was" BBCE at one time??

PaulMaul

I suppose if you believe it's the cards from an original box then there's still going to be some stars as opposed to all junk. Pretty meaningless though since there's no way to prove it.

aconte

I can dig the BBCE reference to try to get some added nickels for this auction. Not sure if it will work.

If I were buying, I would like to see a small sampling of how the cards look like - corners/centering for this kind of item.

aconte

itzagoner

which means the seller would need to actually promote an item which ultimately net him enough to buy a donut and coffee.

bziddy

I'm going to sell a card that came from a previously unsearched box and based on its impeccable centering, would easily be a psa 10 if it weren't for the heavy crease and rounded corners. Oh, and BBCE.

hyperchipper09

So somebody would be taking someone's word that it was a BBCE unopened box. I don't care who the seller is, if I'm buying a BBCE wax box it better damn well be unopened with the BBCE seal or else it's nothing but words on a screen to me. Regardless of seller.

cpamike

This is a warning to future rippers. Repent before it is too late.

GrandMasterB

At least the person didn’t make a “NEW” unopened box!!

LarkinCollector

It just makes no sense, if someone's searching for 'BBCE' they want unopened and are going to be annoyed by the keyword spamming. 'Pack fresh' would work better and hit the keyword searches of those looking for nice quality opened material.

mygotta

At least show the BBCE wrapper to give evidence of the matter. I can do this with any box in my collection.

I could understand being let down there was no Montana or that the cards were too far off center. But the BBCE plug is kinda meaningless at this point.

ReggieCleveland

Unless this is some weird backhanded shot at BBCE because he's one of those people that believes the box was actually searched because he didn't pull the best card in the set.

esquiresports

I just hope Rick doesn't ship it with the wrappers and gum he shows in the pictures. At least not the gum, please.

mlbfan2

I have some 1986 Fleer basketball cards that are from a sealed case.

dennis07

One thing I do know and that is Probstein will make good if the buyer is not happy.

lahmejoon

<< <i>I just hope Rick doesn't ship it with the wrappers and gum he shows in the pictures. At least not the gum, please. >>



At least the gum isn't expertly wrapped in cellophane with a rubber band around it. BBG should patent that technology.

leftofdial

<< <i>At least the person didn’t make a “NEW” unopened box!! >>



But if/when the wrappers or gum come with it, the new buyer sure might do that. It's basically a kit to make a full box.

grote15

It's wrong to sell the gum. Period. Hopefully, Rick does the right thing and removes it even though price will not go as high, obviously.

leftofdial

I thought about the price being higher with the gum too. But I figure that an honest individual will buy the lot for the value of the cards and the box is probably worth $10, wrappers maybe $15 for all of them. An honest buyer wouldn't give a rat's ass about the gum and wouldn't even want it shipped along.

Oddly enough- not single card is pictured--that to me is really weird coming from someone that sells cards for a living. Which to me all adds up to it being a kit.
And I think that is a crappy thing to sell. Regardless of how many forum members post about it, I think a seller's reputation is taking a hit here, and for not a ton of monetary gain.

cpamike

<< <i>It's wrong to sell the gum. Period. Hopefully, Rick does the right thing and removes it even though price will not go as high, obviously. >>



I'll take it a step further and say that it is pretty ballsy to consign a resealer kit. By including the gum with everything else, the consignor is trying to get resealers to bid up his auction and using Rick to hide in the shadows. Hopefully Rick does the right thing as selling this type of lot is not worth your reputation.

MrSnuffleupagus

The CU Vigilantly Crew should run this one up to a million dollars!

cincyredlegs

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<< <i>It's wrong to sell the gum. Period. Hopefully, Rick does the right thing and removes it even though price will not go as high, obviously. >>



I'll take it a step further and say that it is pretty ballsy to consign a resealer kit. By including the gum with everything else, the consignor is trying to get resealers to bid up his auction and using Rick to hide in the shadows. Hopefully Rick does the right thing as selling this type of lot is not worth your reputation. >>




It's not like this is a un-knowing seller listing this.............Rick has been in the sport cards/un-opened business for a long time. Just listing this item should speak volumes. Anybody listing this knows this will probably be re-sealed and sold back into the market place.

Mark

itzagoner

we should at least give Rick a chance to explain. after all, this could be money needed by a person who wanted to flip a Montana rookie in order to save a litter of sick puppies. or buy a needy kid a new bike.

people got reasons, ya know.

mtcards

I remember getting "questioned" by asking something about BBG when "it" was the darling of the boards...expect a double standard here

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elsnorto

Rick certainly should know better, but the minions he has actually doing the listings are probably not that hobby savvy... I could be wrong.

I would expect now that Rick is alerted, the gum will be removed from the lot and destroyed.

As far as using BBCE in the description, I imagine Steve wouldn't be thrilled.

I'm curious to know everyone's thoughts as to when BBCE's name can legitimately be included in any sales listing? My take is that if it isn't in BBCE shrink wrap, the name shouldn't be used. The name certainly wouldn't carry any premium to me personally unless it was wrapped, with the possible exception of established members here selling on B/S/T. Like PSA, the premium for BBCE could be diminished if the brand is sullied by unethical sellers.

Snorto~

bigdcards

For me a box in the bbce shrink wrap is authenticated by bbce, so it should be in the title. Without theshrink wrap, it's just a box imo. As for the auction, it says Johnny at the bottom. Rick may not know the auction exists.

cincyredlegs

I thought the auction would have been modified to NOT include the wrappers and gum seeing that it is now Tuesday. I guess not. Ho Hum.

Mark

galaxy27

I don't care for this listing. That's as terse as I can get. But then again, I often times fail to remember that this hobby is now an extension of life itself. What's innocuous to some is ethically repugnant to others.

Personally speaking, if my direct or indirect actions ever result in a single penny being siphoned from my worst enemy, rest assured I'll be lethargic at work the next day.

Damn I feel spry today.

digicat

Not everyone who's looking for bulk commons is looking to grade or reseal.

When I was completing some raw sets that I started when I was a kid, I prefered getting "pack fresh" or "recent rip" cards, as they tended not to stink like a casino ashtray and didn't look like they had been stored in a kids' backpack for 30 years.

grote15

<< <i>Not everyone who's looking for bulk commons is looking to grade or reseal.

When I was completing some raw sets that I started when I was a kid, I prefered getting "pack fresh" or "recent rip" cards, as they tended not to stink like a casino ashtray and didn't look like they had been stored in a kids' backpack for 30 years. >>



It's not the cards, it's the gum.

elsnorto

<< <i>I thought the auction would have been modified to NOT include the wrappers and gum seeing that it is now Tuesday. I guess not. Ho Hum. >>



I surprised and disappointed the gum hasn't been purged from the lot and destroyed as well.

I guess we have to hope the winning bidder is just after the cards and does the right thing in destroying (and "do not eating") the gum.

Snorto~

mtcards

Been a while since I opened the early 80's wax, but wasnt there also some kind of offer card also in each pack that would be needed to reseal as well?

ClockworkAngel

I dunno, I kind of sense the point of the listing and showing the wrappers/gum is to legitimize to the buyer that these cards are indeed box fresh....they have the wrappers and gum to prove it.

Although I agree that it's a poor decision to include the gum

Black00SS

<< <i>Been a while since I opened the early 80's wax, but wasnt there also some kind of offer card also in each pack that would be needed to reseal as well? >>



Not in 1981 FB.

Black00SS

This is only speculation at this point.....going to forward this over to Steve Hart to see if he can verify.

1981 Box "sealed"

Couple of things to notice with this box. First, the label looks way thicker than the labels that BBCE uses.
Second, I looked at the label on a wax box that I have from BBCE.....there are not dashes in between the Baseball Football Basketball and Hockey words on the label, there are bullets.
Third, just the size of the letters, and positioning on them on the label do not look like the labels BBCE uses.

Again, this is speculation, and I am not accusing anyone of anything, or slandering anyone in any way with this post. I will update the board once Steve Hart takes a look.

MantleFan23

Looks like there is an 1986 box for sale as well with a similar label. I agree, the font looks "off". Seems like a genuine label has more bold letters. Its packaged before the new wrapping, so maybe at one time they had a different label. However, I have boxes that were wrapped before the new shrinkwrap, and it has the bolder letters in it. Interested to hear what you find out from Steve.

Jeremy

Black00SS

And the 1984, and 1982 box.......hmmm.

Just waiting on a reply from Steve now.

vladguerrero

head shaking auction.

Black00SS

<< <i>This is only speculation at this point.....going to forward this over to Steve Hart to see if he can verify.

1981 Box "sealed"

Couple of things to notice with this box. First, the label looks way thicker than the labels that BBCE uses.
Second, I looked at the label on a wax box that I have from BBCE.....there are not dashes in between the Baseball Football Basketball and Hockey words on the label, there are bullets.
Third, just the size of the letters, and positioning on them on the label do not look like the labels BBCE uses.

Again, this is speculation, and I am not accusing anyone of anything, or slandering anyone in any way with this post. I will update the board once Steve Hart takes a look. >>



UPDATE, the boxes have been taken down off of Ebay. I forwarded the links over to Steve Hart, and he verified that the stickers on the bottom of the boxes, and the handwriting on them was NOT from BBCE.
Kudos to Probstein for taking them down off of Ebay as well.

grote15

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<< <i>This is only speculation at this point.....going to forward this over to Steve Hart to see if he can verify.

1981 Box "sealed"

Couple of things to notice with this box. First, the label looks way thicker than the labels that BBCE uses.
Second, I looked at the label on a wax box that I have from BBCE.....there are not dashes in between the Baseball Football Basketball and Hockey words on the label, there are bullets.
Third, just the size of the letters, and positioning on them on the label do not look like the labels BBCE uses.

Again, this is speculation, and I am not accusing anyone of anything, or slandering anyone in any way with this post. I will update the board once Steve Hart takes a look. >>



UPDATE, the boxes have been taken down off of Ebay. I forwarded the links over to Steve Hart, and he verified that the stickers on the bottom of the boxes, and the handwriting on them was NOT from BBCE.
Kudos to Probstein for taking them down off of Ebay as well. >>



Nice work, Black!

MantleFan23

Good work and research!! I guess it was only a matter of time before people started to make fake BBCE stickers.

Jeremy

Black00SS

<< <i>Good work and research!! I guess it was only a matter of time before people started to make fake BBCE stickers.

Jeremy >>



Jeremy,

I think it has been happening for a while now....makes sense why Steve is using a new shrink-wrap now with the BBCE logo.

Its been said once, and will probably be said a million times after. ASSUME any wax purchased on ebay is fake. I have been searching for a legit 1981 wax box at a reasonable price for a few months now. If it is not certified by Steve, I always make sure the seller will let me send the box to him to make sure its legit as a condition of the sale. If they don't agree, I move on and consider myself lucky.

With the premiums BBCE certified boxes have been bringing recently, rest assured, the dishonest scammers have taken notice and are going to try and advantage of it.

aconte

Excellent work. Appreciate the help to all us unopened collectors.

aconte

cpamike

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<< <i>This is only speculation at this point.....going to forward this over to Steve Hart to see if he can verify.

1981 Box "sealed"

Couple of things to notice with this box. First, the label looks way thicker than the labels that BBCE uses.
Second, I looked at the label on a wax box that I have from BBCE.....there are not dashes in between the Baseball Football Basketball and Hockey words on the label, there are bullets.
Third, just the size of the letters, and positioning on them on the label do not look like the labels BBCE uses.

Again, this is speculation, and I am not accusing anyone of anything, or slandering anyone in any way with this post. I will update the board once Steve Hart takes a look. >>



UPDATE, the boxes have been taken down off of Ebay. I forwarded the links over to Steve Hart, and he verified that the stickers on the bottom of the boxes, and the handwriting on them was NOT from BBCE.
Kudos to Probstein for taking them down off of Ebay as well. >>



Nice work, Black! >>



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I'd also like to thank the Moderator to allow this to play out as someone may have been stuck with fake BBCE sourced product. We just need to be careful not to personally attack anyone with these types of threads as they can go downhill quick. Keep it objective and allow people to make up there own minds.

cpamike

<< <i>Excellent work. Appreciate the help to all us unopened collectors and rippers like Tim.

aconte >>



Fixed it for ya.

galaxy27

I added every single one of those boxes to my watch list late last night, but I didn't even think about saving the photos. Really wish I had. My initial thought was either a) somethin somethin is going down here, or b) those are the most primitive BBCE boxes ever. Even the shrink jobs were laughable -- tantamount to my Christmas packaging.

Well done, black!

mtcards

I still see the cards available on a search for 1981 Topps Wax

vladguerrero

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Nice work, Black! >>



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