Raw 1794 cent purchase help grade. UPDATE GRADE RESULTS

hiijacker

Just picked this up at my BM. What do you think this would grade? Any variety?

magikbilly

Is it genuine? Or Genuine?
Head of 95 on a 94? That curl is there. This is not my area at all but it looks a bit odd. Some spatial relations etc. seem strange. Others will chime in with way way more knowledge.

Eric

Assuming genuine there will be a variety with that die crack.

rhedden

Looks like S-70 to me (R2). I can't tell if PCGS would grade it from the photo, but details are commercial VF+. As far as 1794 cents go, it's a nice one.

Raybo

Lots of meat on those bones, I like it!

Connecticoin

Wow, if genuine that is quite at find at a B&M. Look "VF" from a generic grading perspective, but the early copper guys certainly know better.

291fifth

Genuine, cleaned, corroded.

jmski52

Mine has the same exact die break.

hiijacker

So is this definitely head of 95? I will post better photos tomorrow.

Walkerguy21D

Not bad at all for a '94......I spent two days looking at large cents at FUN, and apart from the major EAC dealers (and their major prices)
this coin is about as nice or nicer than any I saw on the bourse. Unless you need it in a holder, I'd keep it raw. PCGS has gotten brutal on early copper. I saw many otherwise nice large cents in fresh genny holders at FUN.

au58

What does this coin weigh?

ricko

Nice find.... old copper is great.... I would keep it raw.... Cheers, RickO

Alltheabove76

S-70 Head of 95 for sure.

It is probably VF30 details. The red corrosion on the obverse around L in Liberty is a little more than I think PCGS will tolerate. There is also a couple of damaged dentils. WHat is going on with the crossbar of E in Liberty?

Nice coin in any case. Id value it retail around $2000

hiijacker

Grades back. Here is their Secure Plus photo. Not sure why they make it so dark?

Anyways they seemed harsh on this: Genuine - Fine Details (98 - Damage)

BY any chance are they tougher when you send in coins to grade via the free CC Voucher?

AnkurJ

Damage? I don't see anything significant enough that would warrant a damaged holder.

hiijacker

<< <i>Damage? I don't see anything significant enough that would warrant a damaged holder. >>



I don't either, also even if it was details, should it be a VF details?

Moldnut

I agree, the details do look like a lower range VF. Enjoy it for what it is, not what is on the plastic.

STONE

Honestly, if it isn't getting graded from a major collection these days coins like this and submitted by the average collector can be jerked around by the TPG.

We have all experienced this and it's completely unfair. I am seeing more and more signs that PCGS is just getting greedier/more desperate for submissions,
and they will 'hold collectors' submissions hostage', so to speak, because they play the odds and expect you to re-submit. And I can almost guarantee you
that with 1 or 2 more submissions this coin gets into a problem-free holder.

ArizonaJack

Vf20 all day

MsMorrisine

If the mark over the ear and peripheral indentations are excluded, couldn't this have coded for corrosion?

spinaker2000

vf all the way.

DennisH

What is the crater at the base of the 4? It looks like damage in the photo.

amwldcoin

<< <i>What is the crater at the base of the 4? It looks like damage in the photo. >>



I was about to say the same thing. There is also 1 below the Right Ribbon end on the Rev. Looks like someone started to drill a hole in the coin.

Boosibri

<< <i>Honestly, if it isn't getting graded from a major collection these days coins like this and submitted by the average collector can be jerked around by the TPG.

We have all experienced this and it's completely unfair. I am seeing more and more signs that PCGS is just getting greedier/more desperate for submissions,
and they will 'hold collectors' submissions hostage', so to speak, because they play the odds and expect you to re-submit. And I can almost guarantee you
that with 1 or 2 more submissions this coin gets into a problem-free holder. >>



I would be more careful with posting this type of speculation on a site sponsored by the company you are disparaging.

Walkerguy21D

<< <i>Honestly, if it isn't getting graded from a major collection these days coins like this and submitted by the average collector can be jerked around by the TPG. >>


I think it's early copper in general right now....I viewed many, and purchased several, of the Steve Ellsworth Collection coins that were submitted to PCGS, and the grading on those were very tough, and in line with recent submissions of a far lesser known EAC member/collector I do business with. By contrast, I see large cents in green label holders with all sorts of surface issues that would be gennie'd if resubmitted today.

Rampage

<< <i>Honestly, if it isn't getting graded from a major collection these days coins like this and submitted by the average collector can be jerked around by the TPG. >>


I totally disagree with your assessment. Do you have proof to justify your statement? My last submission was the first for me in nearly two years and it turned out just fine. I do not intend, nor have I ever, to resubmit anything.

kaz

To me, it looks like someone took a tool like a punch or gimlet and made deliberate indentations at around 5-6 on both sides. That being said, I think it's darn nice looking and I wish it were mine!

WaterSport

yep...Damaged....

Moldnut

<< <i>yep...Damaged..../q]

I agree, thanks for super sizing the picture.

Shamika

Looks a bit better than "fine details".